How many ambassadors… donors giving 500k+… do we currently have? Is 5 really a small sample size?

(12-16-2022 01:22 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  How many ambassadors… donors giving 500k+… do we currently have? Is 5 really a small sample size?

I think to be an ambassador you have to have given over $500k over your lifetime. So some of these folks maybe donated years or decades ago and might not be able to anymore. It seems like it would be better to get opinions of people who are currently or recently donating at a high level.

(12-16-2022 01:41 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 01:22 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  How many ambassadors… donors giving 500k+… do we currently have? Is 5 really a small sample size?

I think to be an ambassador you have to have given over $500k over your lifetime. So some of these folks maybe donated years or decades ago and might not be able to anymore. It seems like it would be better to get opinions of people who are currently or recently donating at a high level.

Why do you assume these people are not currently donating at a high level?

(12-16-2022 01:52 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 01:41 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 01:22 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  How many ambassadors… donors giving 500k+… do we currently have? Is 5 really a small sample size?

I think to be an ambassador you have to have given over $500k over your lifetime. So some of these folks maybe donated years or decades ago and might not be able to anymore. It seems like it would be better to get opinions of people who are currently or recently donating at a high level.

Why do you assume these people are not currently donating at a high level?

People retire.

(12-16-2022 12:33 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  This was not a scientific survey. It was just a handful of people who John Martin happens to know will respond to his email. It gives us no clue as to what most of the ambassadors and big donors think.

One thing that does give us a clue what they think? Veatch and Hardgrave and Silverfield have not been fired. If most ambassadors had lost faith in them, they would be gone already. The fact that they are still there tells us a lot.

I think this is partially right. Silverfield would be fired if the big donors voted no confidence. ADs might be fired for long-term underperformance of the sports teams but usually due to scandal.

There are some schools where the president of the university can be fired over athletics, places like Alabama where sports have taken over the whole identity and purpose of the school. Memphis is not one of those, fortunately.

(12-16-2022 12:42 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  This article cannot be correct. I said the same thing about Hardgrave on this very board, and the residents geniuses shouted me down and said he was transcendentally awesome.

I said the exact same thing as well, and was against him from the jump. We have a “go along to get along” President & AD in a time when we need bulldogs. All our momentum from the last decade will continue to dissolve with them at the helm.

(12-16-2022 12:33 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  This was not a scientific survey. It was just a handful of people who John Martin happens to know will respond to his email. It gives us no clue as to what most of the ambassadors and big donors think.

One thing that does give us a clue what they think? Veatch and Hardgrave and Silverfield have not been fired. If most ambassadors had lost faith in them, they would be gone already. The fact that they are still there tells us a lot.

Sadly it may not tell us what you’re hoping…it may tell us that (some of) the ambassadors have grown weary and aren’t interested in being as heavily involved anymore.

(12-16-2022 11:31 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  How many ambassadors who were present weren’t quoted in the article.
This is a stirring the pot op

It’s not stirring the pot; it’s showing us the other side of the coin. The writer said at the beginning of the article these were 5 Ambassadors he has easier access to.

A & B seem like they’re kind of pills…C was a little heavy on the “glass half full” perspective, while D & E seem to be a good balance of both wariness while not ready to throw in the towel.

That said, this information is integral to get out there…if it’s stirring the pot, maybe it needs to be stirred to get some &movement going.

(12-16-2022 12:56 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 12:53 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Look here’s the deal. We’ve done basically everything we could do to get into the Big 12. And we got left out yet again. And many of the Ambassadors, see it as futile to keep throwing good money after bad. They want them to donate another 2 grand for a 3
Star linebacker ? I get what many of them are saying.

That's the problem. NIL money should be coming from new sources or existing advertisers. Donors should not be a factor in NIL. If our administration is going that route, that is a problem. They are missing the whole opportunity.

Yes...at least that's what NIL should be about. Allowing the athletes to capitalize if somebody wants to use their name/image/likeness to sell stuff. But it appears that the power schools jumped right into using it for pay-to-play.

(12-16-2022 02:20 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 11:31 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  How many ambassadors who were present weren’t quoted in the article.
This is a stirring the pot op

It’s not stirring the pot; it’s showing us the other side of the coin. The writer said at the beginning of the article these were 5 Ambassadors he has easier access to.

A & B seem like they’re kind of pills…C was a little heavy on the “glass half full” perspective, while D & E seem to be a good balance of both wariness while not ready to throw in the towel.

That said, this information is integral to get out there…if it’s stirring the pot, maybe it needs to be stirred to get some &movement going.

OK I can understand that perspective. It’s been debated many times here. And many are not happy with the current Memphis prez and AD.

Can we copy/paste articles from behind paywall
sources?

Im also wondering what do people want changed. Besides the head coach? Is BB just the red headed step child to all FB only fans?

O well never mind … gotta get back to work lol. Which ambassadors does Martin have easier access to…?

(12-16-2022 01:22 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  How many ambassadors… donors giving 500k+… do we currently have? Is 5 really a small sample size?

51 a couple of years ago. Not sure now.

(12-16-2022 02:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 02:20 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 11:31 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  How many ambassadors who were present weren’t quoted in the article.
This is a stirring the pot op

It’s not stirring the pot; it’s showing us the other side of the coin. The writer said at the beginning of the article these were 5 Ambassadors he has easier access to.

A & B seem like they’re kind of pills…C was a little heavy on the “glass half full” perspective, while D & E seem to be a good balance of both wariness while not ready to throw in the towel.

That said, this information is integral to get out there…if it’s stirring the pot, maybe it needs to be stirred to get some &movement going.

OK I can understand that perspective. It’s been debated many times here. And many are not happy with the current Memphis prez and AD.

Can we copy/paste articles from behind paywall
sources?

Im also wondering what do people want changed. Besides the head coach? Is BB just the red headed step child to all FB only fans?

O well never mind … gotta get back to work lol. Which ambassadors does Martin have easier access to…?

From my perspective, most football fans also enjoy basketball. However, many basketball fans are always talking about shutting down the football program, which is insane. Memphis has the potential to have a high level of success for both sports, and I don't know why that isn't everyone's goal. The basketball fans who wants us to emulate the Dayton Flyers instead of Alabama are extremely annoying.

(12-16-2022 01:14 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 01:06 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 01:00 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 12:58 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 12:10 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  I’m not a “basketball” person. You on the other hand have a “football fan” screen name. And whatever difference the tv money is with those schools is offset by not having 100 more mouths to feed in staff, scholarships, recruiting money etc. Have we ever broke even with football? Ask yourself that question.

It's fairly obvious Griffin is E and MFF is C.

MFF ain’t no ambassador. He woulda had to donate 500K for basketball seats.

true, but he sure is on his jock

Whose jock am I on?

I love Memphis basketball by the way. I particularly like the team this season and I think Penny is doing a great job. Just because I would rather our school's athletics more resemble that of Alabama than the Dayton Flyers or whatever doesn't mean I don't like basketball. I just acknowledge the reality that football is more important to conferences and has a much larger revenue generation potential.

Money. That's the difference between those two programs. And tradition.

(12-16-2022 02:13 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 12:42 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  This article cannot be correct. I said the same thing about Hardgrave on this very board, and the residents geniuses shouted me down and said he was transcendentally awesome.

I said the exact same thing as well, and was against him from the jump. We have a “go along to get along” President & AD in a time when we need bulldogs. All our momentum from the last decade will continue to dissolve with them at the helm.

Yep.

(12-16-2022 03:26 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 02:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 02:20 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 11:31 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  How many ambassadors who were present weren’t quoted in the article.
This is a stirring the pot op

It’s not stirring the pot; it’s showing us the other side of the coin. The writer said at the beginning of the article these were 5 Ambassadors he has easier access to.

A & B seem like they’re kind of pills…C was a little heavy on the “glass half full” perspective, while D & E seem to be a good balance of both wariness while not ready to throw in the towel.

That said, this information is integral to get out there…if it’s stirring the pot, maybe it needs to be stirred to get some &movement going.

OK I can understand that perspective. It’s been debated many times here. And many are not happy with the current Memphis prez and AD.

Can we copy/paste articles from behind paywall
sources?

Im also wondering what do people want changed. Besides the head coach? Is BB just the red headed step child to all FB only fans?

O well never mind … gotta get back to work lol. Which ambassadors does Martin have easier access to…?

From my perspective, most football fans also enjoy basketball. However, many basketball fans are always talking about shutting down the football program, which is insane. Memphis has the potential to have a high level of success for both sports, and I don't know why that isn't everyone's goal. The basketball fans who wants us to emulate the Dayton Flyers instead of Alabama are extremely annoying.

Also just ignoring that most of these guys believe that BB is underperforming.

Kinda amazing how different C thinks than the other 4

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(12-16-2022 04:42 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Kinda amazing how different C thinks than the other 4

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Maybe C thinks different. Maybe he doesn't, but just wants to put out positive press.

As my old man the car dealer told me, anytime anyone asks, business is good. Business is always good.

Maybe BB wouldn’t be underperforming had the big $ folks not continued to pay the doofus now at Ga Tech only to “fix” that mistake by hiring Methuselah who said Memphis could no longer compete.

(12-16-2022 07:55 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Maybe BB wouldn’t be underperforming had the big $ folks not continued to pay the doofus now at Ga Tech only to “fix” that mistake by hiring Methuselah who said Memphis could no longer compete.

And first off took a month vacation and then admitted he really didn't coach the first year. And his kid admitted they really didn't recruit. If the recruits didn't come to them first they were not going after them. And of course the coach that was grabbing his crotch in the coaches picture.

When I heard the news about that hire I dropped basketball tickets and TSF donations. I will now support the team with my eyes and heart and not my wallet.