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RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC?
(05-26-2023 05:53 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(05-26-2023 05:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Alternate facts are not truth.

Here are facts https://www.d1ticker.com/2022-fbs-attendance-trends/

5 Year Cincy Average Home Attendance 33K
5 Year UConn Average Home Attendance 21K
5 Year Louis Average Home Attendance 49K

Both Cincy and UConn are lost in their own home DMA adrift against professional sports or more popular P-5's.

The vision to just say no is valuable.

How is Cincy's 5 year average so low? What is the seating capacity at Nipport? They just came off of the most productive 5 year period in their history.

It could the averages are omitting 22 and perhaps 21.

Nippert seats about 39-40.

I hand crunched the last 7 years:

22 - 38K
21 - 37.2K
19 - 37K
18 - 30.2K
17 - 28.3K
16 - 33.9K

The above is 34.1 so the original site is probably not reporting their 22 numbers.
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RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC?
(05-26-2023 06:16 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  
(05-26-2023 05:53 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(05-26-2023 05:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Alternate facts are not truth.

Here are facts https://www.d1ticker.com/2022-fbs-attendance-trends/

5 Year Cincy Average Home Attendance 33K
5 Year UConn Average Home Attendance 21K
5 Year Louis Average Home Attendance 49K

Both Cincy and UConn are lost in their own home DMA adrift against professional sports or more popular P-5's.

The vision to just say no is valuable.

How is Cincy's 5 year average so low? What is the seating capacity at Nipport? They just came off of the most productive 5 year period in their history.

It could the averages are omitting 22 and perhaps 21.

Nippert seats about 39-40.

I hand crunched the last 7 years:

22 - 38K
21 - 37.2K
19 - 37K
18 - 30.2K
17 - 28.3K
16 - 33.9K

The above is 34.1 so the original site is probably not reporting their 22 numbers.

They reduced seating a few years ago when FCC Cincinnati was playing there. The stadium sat 37 and change and they added some field level seats in 2022 to get it to 38k. All the home games were sold out in 2021 with the exception of the FCS game.
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RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC?
This is a formula that is often instructive.

There are about 3 million people in the Combined Cincy metro and the Dayton metro.

Into this metro the Reds are selling 3.4 million baseball tickets.
The Browns are selling 650K pro football tickets.
The Kentucky Wildcats, Louisville Cardinals, Indiana Hoosiers, and Ohio State Buckeyes are selling tickets into these metros. They are selling football and basketball tickets in large venues.
Cincy sells 270K basketball tickets in the metros.

What it means is that there is nearly 2 P-5 or NFL/MLB tickets for every man, woman, and child in the two metros.

By comparison the Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville combined metros where NC State, UNC, and Duke are located go as follows:

750 K NHL tickets
848 K P-5 Basketball tickets - Duke, UNC, and NC State
825 K P-5 Football tickets - Duke, UNC, and NC State.

That 2.4 million tickets sold into a market with about 3 million people. That less than one ticket per every man, woman, or child in the two metros.


If she said once, she said a thousand times for those who would listen - Debbie Yow warned about MLB and how it could easily suck up the casual fan. The Nationals were the final straw for MD because it allowed families to spend that money all summer long.
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RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC?
(05-26-2023 07:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(05-26-2023 06:16 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  
(05-26-2023 05:53 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(05-26-2023 05:20 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Alternate facts are not truth.

Here are facts https://www.d1ticker.com/2022-fbs-attendance-trends/

5 Year Cincy Average Home Attendance 33K
5 Year UConn Average Home Attendance 21K
5 Year Louis Average Home Attendance 49K

Both Cincy and UConn are lost in their own home DMA adrift against professional sports or more popular P-5's.

The vision to just say no is valuable.

How is Cincy's 5 year average so low? What is the seating capacity at Nipport? They just came off of the most productive 5 year period in their history.

It could the averages are omitting 22 and perhaps 21.

Nippert seats about 39-40.

I hand crunched the last 7 years:

22 - 38K
21 - 37.2K
19 - 37K
18 - 30.2K
17 - 28.3K
16 - 33.9K

The above is 34.1 so the original site is probably not reporting their 22 numbers.

They reduced seating a few years ago when FCC Cincinnati was playing there. The stadium sat 37 and change and they added some field level seats in 2022 to get it to 38k. All the home games were sold out in 2021 with the exception of the FCS game.

Ok, so Nippert wasn't large enough to accommodate the crowds the last 3 years. With the coming reduction in crowds from disaffected fans nationwide in general, there's probably no reason to expand. Plus I know if they have a marque home game opponent that they can play at the Bengal's home stadium.
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It doesn’t matter. The people in charge don’t care for Cincinnati. I don’t know why we’re still talking about them and pissing off their fans.
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*** ACC Expansion Update ***

The ACC spring meeting was intense to say the least. The shock wave of the Magnificent 7 news was just so strong that many people (and some reporters) instantly jumped to the conclusion that the ACC is one step away from a total collapse.

But there were also a couple of interesting tidbits reported after the spring meeting regarding the [possibility of] ACC expansion. David Hale, ESPN reporter, tweeted that ACC has looked at a few, including Oregon, Washington, SMU and West Virginia. Brett McMurphy, ActionNetwork reporter, reported the following:

The only way the ACC can receive significantly more money from ESPN is by expanding. Sources told Action Network that if the ACC adds additional teams — whether from the Power 5 or Group of Five — ESPN contractually must pay the ACC a pro-rata amount for each new member.

The ACC, if it desired, could add four more schools (almost certainly Group of Five programs), pay them a reduced amount and split the remaining revenue between the existing members. However, that likely would only increase the current membership’s revenue by a few million dollars a year until the new members would earn full shares.

So contrary to the common belief that the ACC is stuck in a bad contract and cannot make any move, the ACC actually considered a few schools, and there is a path to increase revenue through expansion.

We already knew this. But the new information here is that McMurphy confirmed that ESPN is contractually obligated to pay the ACC a pro rate amount for any new member whether it’s a G5 school or a P5 school.

To be clear, both David Hale and Brett McMurphy do not believe the ACC would expand any time soon. And an obvious question is if an expansion is such a sure bet, how come the ACC didn’t expand when there were more suitable G5 schools including Cincinnati and Houston in 2021?

Still, I think the ACC expansion may happen. In fact, the probability of expansion is higher than ever in my opinion. Why? The ACC schools desperately need more money and there are only three ways I can think of that ESPN would pay more money to the ACC.

1. Renegotiate with ESPN during a “look-in” period.

2. Switch to a 9 conference game format

3. Expansion

During the press conference at the conclusion of spring meeting, the ACC Commissioner, John Phillips, had a Q&A session and addressed all three topics.

I really doubt ESPN would agree to provide more money during a look-in period. Phillips said the next look-in is in a few years anyway. Phillips also said that the league is not ready to move to a 9-game scheduling. I doubt ESPN would pay for the nine game schedule anyway.

This leaves expansion as a sole option for the ACC to extract more money from ESPN. When asked whether the ACC even discussed expansion, Phillips flatly said that they discuss it FREQUENTLY. Yes, you read it right. This is something the ACC leadership is really looking into.

Then why no expansion so far? Because there were not enough votes!

The ACC needs 12 votes to expand, meaning mere 4 schools would be able to block any expansion initiative. And I suspect the small schools do not really have any appetite for a football expansion. These schools may view a new football oriented school as a potential threat to undermine their power within the league. Remember the old Big East Football Conference, which was a hybrid between football schools and basketball schools? Many basketball schools were very reluctant of (or flat out against) any football expansion.

Then why do I say the probability of expansion is higher than ever? Because I believe the voting behavior may change after the breaking the M7 news. We already saw the ACC presidents agreed to move toward a performance based revenue sharing. That was a non starter for years.

The M7 news and subsequent development regarding unequal revenue sharing (success incentive initiative) clearly shows that the M7 schools take the revenue issue very very seriously. I also believe this was a real wake-up call for non M7 schools that the M7 schools are dead serious about the revenue gap and they may even take a collective action. I don’t believe the GoR is breakable. But for sure, non M7 schools need to start thinking about the post 2036 and may realize that the expansion would ensure the ACC’s survival. The PittNews recently ran a column titled “Save the ACC through expansion.”

https://pittnews.com/article/181225/spor...expansion/

Now, who should the ACC target for an expansion?

I am fairly certain that ESPN would be happy to pay the pro rata for certain Pac schools, and I was hoping to see that happen. It may still happen. But after the Spring meeting drama I now suspect that at least some of M7 schools want to maximize the profit until 2036 rather than building a strong and long lasting conference. If the ACC gives only a half share to an incoming G5 school, then the existing ACC schools would receive an additional $1 million or slightly more from ESPN annually. If the ACC adds four schools, that would translate to an additional $4 or $5 million payout. In other words, it now seems to me that the M7 schools may prefer a short term revenue boost through getting G5 schools over building a national conference by adding the Pac schools and getting a minimal pay increase. I also don’t know whether some of small non M7 schools have any desire to associate with West Coast schools.

Obviously, ESPN won’t like most G5 schools. The only schools that I can think of ESPN may be willing to pay the pro rata for are SMU (because getting into Texas would also boost ESPN’s ACCN income) and UConn (because its basketball program is a top tier and ESPN views the ACC as a basketball property).

I think Phillips would have enough votes for SMU. It’s a small school in Texas so small schools in the ACC would be less reluctant and Texas is a completely new market that wouldn’t invade anyone’s turf. For large M7 schools, SMU would provide an opportunity to play in Texas and expand the recruiting reach. In addition, the ACCN money increase would be significant. No wonder SMU was one of four schools listed in Hale’s tweets. SMU was reported in June 2022 to have a discussion with the Power 5 conferences including the ACC. I think at this point SMU is probably a front runner for ACC expansion.

I am much less certain about UConn, though. Its football program has been terrible so the football schools in the ACC wouldn’t welcome UConn in open arms. BC and Syracuse may not want another Northeastern team in the league. The state of Connecticut is not known for a football recruiting and it is not large so the ACCN money increase is not going to be much.

Knowing the ACC, I think Tulane is a dark horse candidate. Tulane is a lightweight in sports and Louisiana is not Texas. But its academics is good and the school profile is similar to some of private ACC schools. SMU and Tulane may make a decent pair for the ACC expansion. However, I really don’t know whether ESPN would be happy about paying the ACC money to Tulane.

Lastly, the ACC should continue to monitor the Pac 12 situation. If Colorado and/or Arizona bolts for the Big 12 as rumored, it may be worth talking to ASU/Utah and other Pac 12 schools. If they can come at discount, they should be preferred choice for the ACC.

__________

The above posting can be also found at Hokie Mark’s blog:
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/?m=1

He likes Memphis by the way.

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(05-28-2023 11:26 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  *** ACC Expansion Update ***

The ACC spring meeting was intense to say the least. The shock wave of the Magnificent 7 news was just so strong that many people (and some reporters) instantly jumped to the conclusion that the ACC is one step away from a total collapse.

But there were also a couple of interesting tidbits reported after the spring meeting regarding the [possibility of] ACC expansion. David Hale, ESPN reporter, tweeted that ACC has looked at a few, including Oregon, Washington, SMU and West Virginia. Brett McMurphy, ActionNetwork reporter, reported the following:

The only way the ACC can receive significantly more money from ESPN is by expanding. Sources told Action Network that if the ACC adds additional teams — whether from the Power 5 or Group of Five — ESPN contractually must pay the ACC a pro-rata amount for each new member.

The ACC, if it desired, could add four more schools (almost certainly Group of Five programs), pay them a reduced amount and split the remaining revenue between the existing members. However, that likely would only increase the current membership’s revenue by a few million dollars a year until the new members would earn full shares.

So contrary to the common belief that the ACC is stuck in a bad contract and cannot make any move, the ACC actually considered a few schools, and there is a path to increase revenue through expansion.

We already knew this. But the new information here is that McMurphy confirmed that ESPN is contractually obligated to pay the ACC a pro rate amount for any new member whether it’s a G5 school or a P5 school.

To be clear, both David Hale and Brett McMurphy do not believe the ACC would expand any time soon. And an obvious question is if an expansion is such a sure bet, how come the ACC didn’t expand when there were more suitable G5 schools including Cincinnati and Houston in 2021?

Still, I think the ACC expansion may happen. In fact, the probability of expansion is higher than ever in my opinion. Why? The ACC schools desperately need more money and there are only three ways I can think of that ESPN would pay more money to the ACC.

1. Renegotiate with ESPN during a “look-in” period.

2. Switch to a 9 conference game format

3. Expansion

During the press conference at the conclusion of spring meeting, the ACC Commissioner, John Phillips, had a Q&A session and addressed all three topics.

I really doubt ESPN would agree to provide more money during a look-in period. Phillips said the next look-in is in a few years anyway. Phillips also said that the league is not ready to move to a 9-game scheduling. I doubt ESPN would pay for the nine game schedule anyway.

This leaves expansion as a sole option for the ACC to extract more money from ESPN. When asked whether the ACC even discussed expansion, Phillips flatly said that they discuss it FREQUENTLY. Yes, you read it right. This is something the ACC leadership is really looking into.

Then why no expansion so far? Because there were not enough votes!

The ACC needs 12 votes to expand, meaning mere 4 schools would be able to block any expansion initiative. And I suspect the small schools do not really have any appetite for a football expansion. These schools may view a new football oriented school as a potential threat to undermine their power within the league. Remember the old Big East Football Conference, which was a hybrid between football schools and basketball schools? Many basketball schools were very reluctant of (or flat out against) any football expansion.

Then why do I say the probability of expansion is higher than ever? Because I believe the voting behavior may change after the breaking the M7 news. We already saw the ACC presidents agreed to move toward a performance based revenue sharing. That was a non starter for years.

The M7 news and subsequent development regarding unequal revenue sharing (success incentive initiative) clearly shows that the M7 schools take the revenue issue very very seriously. I also believe this was a real wake-up call for non M7 schools that the M7 schools are dead serious about the revenue gap and they may even take a collective action. I don’t believe the GoR is breakable. But for sure, non M7 schools need to start thinking about the post 2036 and may realize that the expansion would ensure the ACC’s survival. The PittNews recently ran a column titled “Save the ACC through expansion.”

https://pittnews.com/article/181225/spor...expansion/

Now, who should the ACC target for an expansion?

I am fairly certain that ESPN would be happy to pay the pro rata for certain Pac schools, and I was hoping to see that happen. It may still happen. But after the Spring meeting drama I now suspect that at least some of M7 schools want to maximize the profit until 2036 rather than building a strong and long lasting conference. If the ACC gives only a half share to an incoming G5 school, then the existing ACC schools would receive an additional $1 million or slightly more from ESPN annually. If the ACC adds four schools, that would translate to an additional $4 or $5 million payout. In other words, it now seems to me that the M7 schools may prefer a short term revenue boost through getting G5 schools over building a national conference by adding the Pac schools and getting a minimal pay increase. I also don’t know whether some of small non M7 schools have any desire to associate with West Coast schools.

Obviously, ESPN won’t like most G5 schools. The only schools that I can think of ESPN may be willing to pay the pro rata for are SMU (because getting into Texas would also boost ESPN’s ACCN income) and UConn (because its basketball program is a top tier and ESPN views the ACC as a basketball property).

I think Phillips would have enough votes for SMU. It’s a small school in Texas so small schools in the ACC would be less reluctant and Texas is a completely new market that wouldn’t invade anyone’s turf. For large M7 schools, SMU would provide an opportunity to play in Texas and expand the recruiting reach. In addition, the ACCN money increase would be significant. No wonder SMU was one of four schools listed in Hale’s tweets. SMU was reported in June 2022 to have a discussion with the Power 5 conferences including the ACC. I think at this point SMU is probably a front runner for ACC expansion.

I am much less certain about UConn, though. Its football program has been terrible so the football schools in the ACC wouldn’t welcome UConn in open arms. BC and Syracuse may not want another Northeastern team in the league. The state of Connecticut is not known for a football recruiting and it is not large so the ACCN money increase is not going to be much.

Knowing the ACC, I think Tulane is a dark horse candidate. Tulane is a lightweight in sports and Louisiana is not Texas. But its academics is good and the school profile is similar to some of private ACC schools. SMU and Tulane may make a decent pair for the ACC expansion. However, I really don’t know whether ESPN would be happy about paying the ACC money to Tulane.

Lastly, the ACC should continue to monitor the Pac 12 situation. If Colorado and/or Arizona bolts for the Big 12 as rumored, it may be worth talking to ASU/Utah and other Pac 12 schools. If they can come at discount, they should be preferred choice for the ACC.

__________

The above posting can be also found at Hokie Mark’s blog:
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/?m=1

He likes Memphis by the way.

[Image: ACC+Memphis+SMU+Tulane+USF.png]


This battle seems to be raging with the SEC. The SEC needs to go to 9 games to include some rivalry games ( Texas & A&M ) but ESPN is in no mood to give the SEC any more than they have already promised them.
If ESPN pays the SEC any more to go to 9 games, the ACC will not be far behind with their hand out (and a valid reason to get an increase).
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(05-28-2023 12:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-28-2023 11:26 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  *** ACC Expansion Update ***

The ACC spring meeting was intense to say the least. The shock wave of the Magnificent 7 news was just so strong that many people (and some reporters) instantly jumped to the conclusion that the ACC is one step away from a total collapse.

But there were also a couple of interesting tidbits reported after the spring meeting regarding the [possibility of] ACC expansion. David Hale, ESPN reporter, tweeted that ACC has looked at a few, including Oregon, Washington, SMU and West Virginia. Brett McMurphy, ActionNetwork reporter, reported the following:

The only way the ACC can receive significantly more money from ESPN is by expanding. Sources told Action Network that if the ACC adds additional teams — whether from the Power 5 or Group of Five — ESPN contractually must pay the ACC a pro-rata amount for each new member.

The ACC, if it desired, could add four more schools (almost certainly Group of Five programs), pay them a reduced amount and split the remaining revenue between the existing members. However, that likely would only increase the current membership’s revenue by a few million dollars a year until the new members would earn full shares.

So contrary to the common belief that the ACC is stuck in a bad contract and cannot make any move, the ACC actually considered a few schools, and there is a path to increase revenue through expansion.

We already knew this. But the new information here is that McMurphy confirmed that ESPN is contractually obligated to pay the ACC a pro rate amount for any new member whether it’s a G5 school or a P5 school.

To be clear, both David Hale and Brett McMurphy do not believe the ACC would expand any time soon. And an obvious question is if an expansion is such a sure bet, how come the ACC didn’t expand when there were more suitable G5 schools including Cincinnati and Houston in 2021?

Still, I think the ACC expansion may happen. In fact, the probability of expansion is higher than ever in my opinion. Why? The ACC schools desperately need more money and there are only three ways I can think of that ESPN would pay more money to the ACC.

1. Renegotiate with ESPN during a “look-in” period.

2. Switch to a 9 conference game format

3. Expansion

During the press conference at the conclusion of spring meeting, the ACC Commissioner, John Phillips, had a Q&A session and addressed all three topics.

I really doubt ESPN would agree to provide more money during a look-in period. Phillips said the next look-in is in a few years anyway. Phillips also said that the league is not ready to move to a 9-game scheduling. I doubt ESPN would pay for the nine game schedule anyway.

This leaves expansion as a sole option for the ACC to extract more money from ESPN. When asked whether the ACC even discussed expansion, Phillips flatly said that they discuss it FREQUENTLY. Yes, you read it right. This is something the ACC leadership is really looking into.


This battle seems to be raging with the SEC. The SEC needs to go to 9 games to include some rivalry games ( Texas & A&M ) but ESPN is in no mood to give the SEC any more than they have already promised them.
If ESPN pays the SEC any more to go to 9 games, the ACC will not be far behind with their hand out (and a valid reason to get an increase).

Maybe.

Burke Magnus had an interview last year. If I remember correctly, he said ESPN is willing to pay more for the nine games for the SEC. He didn’t say that for the ACC. Instead he said he likes more ACC basketball games and potentially more UNC-Duke matchups. This highlights how differently the top ESPN executive views the SEC and the ACC.

” Going forward, we have every incentive in the world to get creative with the ACC to continue to try and unearth new, incremental value that will benefit their members in terms of the financial picture of the conference long term," Magnus said on the podcast.

Asked for some examples, Magnus pointed to the possibility of the SEC adding a ninth conference game in football. Then, he got to the ACC.

"The beauty of the ACC is their men’s basketball and their women’s basketball profile is so far beyond all of their peer conferences, when you consider Duke, North Carolina, Syracuse, Louisville, etc., and on and on and on," he said. "So men’s basketball and women’s basketball is incredibly meaningful and there are scheduling things there that can create new value."


https://www.wralsportsfan.com/more-duke-.../20432016/
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^^^ESPN probably likes UConn to the ACC as do I.

Memphis is ok. I think they could be a primary ACC rival to UL and have interesting battles with VT.

In regard to SMU and Tulane, I feel like they need a few more years to grow. They have no natural rivals in the ACC and as was proven during the ACC expansion with BC, just pairing them up with somebody and waiting does not make a rivalry or even a game of interest. Regions, similar culture, high stakes, close games are the foundations of healthy rivalries.

USF brings instant rivalries with FSU and UM and has an interesting OOC rivalry with UCF.
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(05-28-2023 02:24 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  ^^^ESPN probably likes UConn to the ACC as do I.

Memphis is ok. I think they could be a primary ACC rival to UL and have interesting battles with VT.

In regard to SMU and Tulane, I feel like they need a few more years to grow. They have no natural rivals in the ACC and as was proven during the ACC expansion with BC, just pairing them up with somebody and waiting does not make a rivalry or even a game of interest. Regions, similar culture, high stakes, close games are the foundations of healthy rivalries.

USF brings instant rivalries with FSU and UM and has an interesting OOC rivalry with UCF.

Only two schools would vote to add Memphis - FSU and Louisville - no one else will vote for them.
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If UConn wants to be a "player" they need to move more of their facilities to Fairfield County and build a set of arenas in far NE NYC DMA.
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No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.
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(05-30-2023 07:48 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.

To be fair, Duke is allegedly upgrading their facilities.
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(05-30-2023 01:41 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-30-2023 07:48 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.

To be fair, Duke is allegedly upgrading their facilities.

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(05-30-2023 07:48 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.

To be fair, I think Cure, Pitt and BC have done their best trying to improve their football program. But Yankees just don't have football bone in their body. Watch Cuse/Florida State game you would know what I mean.

The best Syracuse team will lose to the worst Florida State team by 30 points.
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(05-30-2023 08:11 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(05-30-2023 07:48 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.

To be fair, I think Cure, Pitt and BC have done their best trying to improve their football program. But Yankees just don't have football bone in their body. Watch Cuse/Florida State game you would know what I mean.

The best Syracuse team will lose the worst Florida State team by 30 points.

Plenty of young men from New York, New Jersey, etc. grow up to star in the NFL, so it's not a lack of talent. However, perhaps because of the prevailing football culture in the South, players here come out of High School with high football IQ, whereas Northern players tend to be a bit more raw in my experience - they need a lot more "coaching up"
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RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC?
(05-30-2023 08:11 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(05-30-2023 07:48 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.

To be fair, I think Cure, Pitt and BC have done their best trying to improve their football program. But Yankees just don't have football bone in their body. Watch Cuse/Florida State game you would know what I mean.

The best Syracuse team will lose the worst Florida State team by 30 points.

Phaile! The worst FSU team in decades lost to the best SU team in decades in 2018.
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RE: Is the expansion still an option for the ACC?
(05-30-2023 08:11 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(05-30-2023 07:48 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.

To be fair, I think Cure, Pitt and BC have done their best trying to improve their football program. But Yankees just don't have football bone in their body. Watch Cuse/Florida State game you would know what I mean.

The best Syracuse team will lose the worst Florida State team by 30 points.

2022 FSU wins 38-3
2021 FSU wins 33-30
2019 FSU wins 35-17
2018 SU wins 30-7
2017 FSU wins 27-24

I like 2018 when the best SU team destroyed the worst FSU team. Just the opposite of what you said Mr insightful.
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(05-30-2023 01:41 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-30-2023 07:48 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.

To be fair, Duke is allegedly upgrading their facilities.

LOL...I was thinking them too but they won't ever care about football enough to matter.
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(05-30-2023 08:11 PM)ArQ Wrote:  
(05-30-2023 07:48 AM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  No to UConn. We already have enough yankee schools that don't care about football.

To be fair, I think Cure, Pitt and BC have done their best trying to improve their football program. But Yankees just don't have football bone in their body. Watch Cuse/Florida State game you would know what I mean.

The best Syracuse team will lose the worst Florida State team by 30 points.

To be fair, I don't consider Pitt to be a yankee school that doesn't care about football. They have it in them.
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