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Split this from the roster changes thread. Carry on.

Death of Amateur Athletics. I have an idea..hear this out and think about it. If all the donors to ODAF say no more, we want won't give any more money to ODAF we are now sending in money to these collectives to go for NILs what would that do ? I bet Universities would get to the NCAA pretty darn quickly to see what could be done.

(12-14-2022 04:07 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Death of Amateur Athletics. I have an idea..hear this out and think about it. If all the donors to ODAF say no more, we want won't give any more money to ODAF we are now sending in money to these collectives to go for NILs what would that do ? I bet Universities would get to the NCAA pretty darn quickly to see what could be done.

You’d only be hurting ODU. The P5s, the majority of the AAC, MWC and as noted already a couple Sun Belt members already have collectives supporting them. And it’s only a matter of time before all these programs have one supporting them.

We simply need to be better about promoting the NIL portal we have set up for our athletes so they can take better advantage of the opportunities at ODU. Or we need to form one of our own.

Best thing any of us could do is campaigning for state/federal law to remove tax incentives for athletic donations. And campaign for a new law that kills the concept of a tax exempt nonprofit NIL foundation. Making the players state employees might help level the pay scale. Doubt anyone wants to pay for that though.

Other than this, maybe pray that a recession causes some over leveraged P5s to financially collapse. Maybe that would scare the rest into putting some regulation on the system.

In short, there’s nothing that can be done if you aren’t already rich.

In all seriousness, why even make them go to class any more? Have the athlete pick between being a university employee and a professional OR a scholarship student athlete with a stipend. If you’re the former then you don’t have to attend class. Quit pretending these NIL folks aren’t free agent pros.

We can't compete NILs with bigger schools in football. So why not go after a few in MBB, the impact of a handful of players in basketball can be huge. I actually believe that JJ knows enough about basketball he could win with talent.

(12-14-2022 10:58 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  We can't compete NILs with bigger schools in football. So why not go after a few in MBB, the impact of a handful of players in basketball can be huge. I actually believe that JJ knows enough about basketball he could win with talent.

Hmmm...what I am saying is remove ODAF from being the middleman. Give it to the collectives they work with our programs to fund students. Scholarships for the Major sports are already endowed in most cases. NIL Collectives appear to be a direct funding source for athletes. I assume you can allocate where the NILs go and have Coaches decide.

My perception currently NIL Collectives are in addition to standard Athletic Foundations but...as they grow does that mean the ODAF's of the world disappear ?

(12-14-2022 10:58 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  We can't compete NILs with bigger schools in football. So why not go after a few in MBB, the impact of a handful of players in basketball can be huge. I actually believe that JJ knows enough about basketball he could win with talent.

We have some NILs in basketball.

(12-15-2022 08:12 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:58 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  We can't compete NILs with bigger schools in football. So why not go after a few in MBB, the impact of a handful of players in basketball can be huge. I actually believe that JJ knows enough about basketball he could win with talent.

Hmmm...what I am saying is remove ODAF from being the middleman. Give it to the collectives they work with our programs to fund students. Scholarships for the Major sports are already endowed in most cases. NIL Collectives appear to be a direct funding source for athletes. I assume you can allocate where the NILs go and have Coaches decide.

My perception currently NIL Collectives are in addition to standard Athletic Foundations but...as they grow does that mean the ODAF's of the world disappear ?

How does giving money to the players and not the school help the program to run (or grow?) How would we build a new football stadium or renovate the Bud?

Currently, college football is a giant zit thats gonna pop soon. When it does, it’s gonna be bad! What do you think is gonna happen when a big school gets mad at another big school for stealing a recruit and promising more NIL money?

(12-15-2022 09:45 AM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  Currently, college football is a giant zit thats gonna pop soon. When it does, it’s gonna be bad! What do you think is gonna happen when a big school gets mad at another big school for stealing a recruit and promising more NIL money?

That’s already happened with Bama and A&M last summer. Saban complained about it and called Jimbo a cheater. But other than some public bickering that made both coaches look silly, nothing happened.

Funny years ago ODU was ahead of other schools, when we were one of the first schools to offer scholarships to women. That lead to the great run we had in WBB. Bet many thought we were ruining college sports.

(12-15-2022 09:45 AM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  Currently, college football is a giant zit thats gonna pop soon. When it does, it’s gonna be bad! What do you think is gonna happen when a big school gets mad at another big school for stealing a recruit and promising more NIL money?

That happens every day.

This is so unreal
https://www.on3.com/college/old-dominion...ball/2023/

(12-16-2022 09:37 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  This is so unreal
https://www.on3.com/college/old-dominion...ball/2023/

The ones that stand out at Watson, Jennings, and Kennedy. The rest weren't on the depth charts at all, for whatever various reason.

(12-16-2022 09:37 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  This is so unreal
https://www.on3.com/college/old-dominion...ball/2023/

Is the NIL value listed what they are actually getting or what they could get

(12-16-2022 02:05 PM)odubsu Wrote:  

(12-16-2022 09:37 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  This is so unreal
https://www.on3.com/college/old-dominion...ball/2023/

Is the NIL value listed what they are actually getting or what they could get

It's an estimated value.

I'd hope ODU boosters could scrape up $17k to keep Blake Watson on the squad if that's the issue. I would have thought he'd be valued higher.

Found this article interesting. If you hold down the escape button you can beat the pay wall.

One thought I had as I read it was that perhaps ODU is having issue competing in the transfer portal is because other coaches are openly breaking the rules offering NIL dollars to player to transfer that ODU either doesn't, doesn't want to, or cannot match or beat.
Never thought of how this NIL thing may affect the non-revenue sports. Could we see more teams dropped as wrestling was in a money saving effort? Or, perhaps sports moved in to a different division (for example ONLY don't lose your shirt) dropping Women's Lacrosse to D-III to save money.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/magaz...hlete.html

(01-24-2023 03:56 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  Found this article interesting. If you hold down the escape button you can beat the pay wall.

One thought I had as I read it was that perhaps ODU is having issue competing in the transfer portal is because other coaches are openly breaking the rules offering NIL dollars to player to transfer that ODU either doesn't, doesn't want to, or cannot match or beat.
Never thought of how this NIL thing may affect the non-revenue sports. Could we see more teams dropped as wrestling was in a money saving effort? Or, perhaps sports moved in to a different division (for example ONLY don't lose your shirt) dropping Women's Lacrosse to D-III to save money.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/magaz...hlete.html

Good question. I have been privately wondering where all this NIL money is coming from. Are big money SEC boosters paying into NIL on top of existing school donations or are they redirecting money that would have gone to the school athletic department to a privatized NIL fund?

Huge implications for the viability of non-revenue sports. There's a lot more interest in offering NIL money to 75+ football players compared to even one volleyball player. I get the impression a lot of big donors want to contribute to football over anything else. Now they have an avenue to do just that.