(12-13-2022 05:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Remember when the AD fired the very popular OC last year after a game? He was reinstated two days later, but it seems like a pattern.

https://www.stripes.com/sports/2021-09-1...81690.html

The AD is five years past his expiration date. This move did him no favors.

(12-13-2022 12:44 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 05:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Remember when the AD fired the very popular OC last year after a game? He was reinstated two days later, but it seems like a pattern.

https://www.stripes.com/sports/2021-09-1...81690.html

The AD is five years part his expiration date. This move did him no favors.

Well, it doesn't look good for the AD when his football team has three straight badly-losing seasons, and a poor record vs their rivals over the past seven seasons either.

Who knows, maybe the AD is feeling heat from above, or from prominent supporters of the program, to make changes.

(12-13-2022 07:28 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 05:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Remember when the AD fired the very popular OC last year after a game? He was reinstated two days later, but it seems like a pattern.

https://www.stripes.com/sports/2021-09-1...81690.html

I remember reading that same story. I guess Navy wants to be like the rest of College football when it comes to coaching changes.

It's the AD's fault for not having an ounce of tact. However, from an organizational perspective, I think that Niumatalolo sowed the seeds of his own demise by winning so much in his first decade+. Now, everyone from the Secretary of the Navy on down expects the same results, even with a hand tied behind their backs relative to the other service academies. Give Navy a decade of 3-9 and 4-8 and they'll let their kids redshirt and/or take advantage of the next Covid year-type thing that comes along. And they'll certainly have a new AD, this one sucks.

(12-13-2022 09:44 AM)mike012779 Wrote:  Death, taxes, and football coaches getting a quick pink slip

Nice hot take, he was there for 16 years.

The decision itself was not terrible, regardless of the reasons or excuses Niumatalolo was no longer getting the job done. However, there are better ways to fire your all-time winningest coach.

(12-13-2022 06:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 12:44 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 05:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Remember when the AD fired the very popular OC last year after a game? He was reinstated two days later, but it seems like a pattern.

https://www.stripes.com/sports/2021-09-1...81690.html

The AD is five years part his expiration date. This move did him no favors.

Well, it doesn't look good for the AD when his football team has three straight badly-losing seasons, and a poor record vs their rivals over the past seven seasons either.

Who knows, maybe the AD is feeling heat from above, or from prominent supporters of the program, to make changes.

Who knows, maybe the AD gets fired on National TV tomorrow and they hire Niumatalolo as the new AD.

(12-13-2022 06:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 07:28 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 05:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Remember when the AD fired the very popular OC last year after a game? He was reinstated two days later, but it seems like a pattern.

https://www.stripes.com/sports/2021-09-1...81690.html

I remember reading that same story. I guess Navy wants to be like the rest of College football when it comes to coaching changes.

It's the AD's fault for not having an ounce of tact. However, from an organizational perspective, I think that Niumatalolo sowed the seeds of his own demise by winning so much in his first decade+. Now, everyone from the Secretary of the Navy on down expects the same results, even with a hand tied behind their backs relative to the other service academies. Give Navy a decade of 3-9 and 4-8 and they'll let their kids redshirt and/or take advantage of the next Covid year-type thing that comes along. And they'll certainly have a new AD, this one sucks.

Eh, I'm not so sure. The guy who preceded KN, Paul Johnson, had a .608 winning percentage during his six seasons at the helm. He inherited an 0-10 team, and went 2-10 himself his first year. But his last five seasons he never had a record worse than 8-5. He went 6-0 vs Army, starting the long winning streak that KN inherited. And unlike Johnson, KN also inherited a healthy, winning program. Johnson was so good he was hired away by Georgia Tech, which is how KN got the job.

Bottom line to me is, KN had the Navy HC job for 15 seasons. Longer than just about anyone out there this side of Nick Saban. That's a long ride in a very turbulent business. All things must pass

Had Navy won Saturday, this doesn't happen.

(12-13-2022 09:27 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I'd like to see Ken Niumatalolo take a job with Hawaii.

Well that would be a 180 from the June Jones days.

Who they getting, Kennesaw coach?

Who is Navy going to find that is going to sustain the kind of success that their old coach had? Annapolis is not the easiest place to win

Definitely not the best look for the naval academy but I wouldn't go so far as to say his termination wasn't warranted. 4 of the last 5 years the Midshipmen failed to win more than 4 games. It's easy to point to the limitations placed on the academies and say "who are they going to get that does better?" and it's a fair question but let's not forget they have standards they would like met just like any other university. Niumatalolo had a wonderful first 11 years but the last 5 were a disappointment.

Could it have been handled different, Absolutely, but this was coming.

I'm not a fan of getting rid of Ken, especially like this. He did as well as he could. I personally think that Navy should go back to the realm of independents.

(12-13-2022 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 06:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 07:28 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 05:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Remember when the AD fired the very popular OC last year after a game? He was reinstated two days later, but it seems like a pattern.

https://www.stripes.com/sports/2021-09-1...81690.html

I remember reading that same story. I guess Navy wants to be like the rest of College football when it comes to coaching changes.

It's the AD's fault for not having an ounce of tact. However, from an organizational perspective, I think that Niumatalolo sowed the seeds of his own demise by winning so much in his first decade+. Now, everyone from the Secretary of the Navy on down expects the same results, even with a hand tied behind their backs relative to the other service academies. Give Navy a decade of 3-9 and 4-8 and they'll let their kids redshirt and/or take advantage of the next Covid year-type thing that comes along. And they'll certainly have a new AD, this one sucks.

Eh, I'm not so sure. The guy who preceded KN, Paul Johnson, had a .608 winning percentage during his six seasons at the helm. He inherited an 0-10 team, and went 2-10 himself his first year. But his last five seasons he never had a record worse than 8-5. He went 6-0 vs Army, starting the long winning streak that KN inherited. And unlike Johnson, KN also inherited a healthy, winning program. Johnson was so good he was hired away by Georgia Tech, which is how KN got the job.

Bottom line to me is, KN had the Navy HC job for 15 seasons. Longer than just about anyone out there this side of Nick Saban. That's a long ride in a very turbulent business. All things must pass

Chet's job of keeping Navy athletics in the black for the past 20 years has been easy as long as the Mids were winning on the field. The turn south in the last couple of seasons has threatened that reality. There aren't easy replacements coaches out there and none that can turn the situation around as quickly as Paul Johnson did. While I wish he was out the door immediately, it won't happen until after his pick at HC struggles the first few seasons.

(12-14-2022 09:03 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 06:17 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 07:28 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(12-13-2022 05:01 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Remember when the AD fired the very popular OC last year after a game? He was reinstated two days later, but it seems like a pattern.

https://www.stripes.com/sports/2021-09-1...81690.html

I remember reading that same story. I guess Navy wants to be like the rest of College football when it comes to coaching changes.

It's the AD's fault for not having an ounce of tact. However, from an organizational perspective, I think that Niumatalolo sowed the seeds of his own demise by winning so much in his first decade+. Now, everyone from the Secretary of the Navy on down expects the same results, even with a hand tied behind their backs relative to the other service academies. Give Navy a decade of 3-9 and 4-8 and they'll let their kids redshirt and/or take advantage of the next Covid year-type thing that comes along. And they'll certainly have a new AD, this one sucks.

Eh, I'm not so sure. The guy who preceded KN, Paul Johnson, had a .608 winning percentage during his six seasons at the helm. He inherited an 0-10 team, and went 2-10 himself his first year. But his last five seasons he never had a record worse than 8-5. He went 6-0 vs Army, starting the long winning streak that KN inherited. And unlike Johnson, KN also inherited a healthy, winning program. Johnson was so good he was hired away by Georgia Tech, which is how KN got the job.

Bottom line to me is, KN had the Navy HC job for 15 seasons. Longer than just about anyone out there this side of Nick Saban. That's a long ride in a very turbulent business. All things must pass

Chet's job of keeping Navy athletics in the black for the past 20 years has been easy as long as the Mids were winning on the field. The turn south in the last couple of seasons has threatened that reality. There aren't easy replacements coaches out there and none that can turn the situation around as quickly as Paul Johnson did. While I wish he was out the door immediately, it won't happen until after his pick at HC struggles the first few seasons.

Adchuk has been in the Navy job for over 20 years, and IIRC he has made two football HC hires - Johnson and then elevating KN, both of which were A-level decisions. So he has an unblemished track record with that - so far.

At 72, I have to wonder how much longer he will want to do the job in any event, even if the new HC does well out of the gate.