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RE: Montana Grizzlies staying in Big Sky - for now
(12-18-2022 01:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-16-2022 02:43 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  
(12-15-2022 12:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2022 11:35 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  
(12-11-2022 07:45 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Aka... C-USA, Sun Belt, MAC, WAC/A-Sun- stop pretending you are big time.

You left out the worst FBS conference of 2022: the Mountain West.

1. SEC (0.76)
2. Big 12 (0.74)
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3. Big 10 (0.65)
4. ACC (0.63)
5. Pac-12 (0.60)
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6. AAC (0.493)
7. SBC (0.486)
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8. C-USA (0.37)
9. MAC (0.353)
10. MWC (0.348)

https://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html

I always thought Colley was one of the worst ranking systems out there. This supports that thought. MWC is having a down year and seems to be below the SBC, but out of the 99 polls in the Massey composite, Colley is the ONLY one that has MWC ranked last. The overwhelming majority have them ranked above CUSA and MAC.

"Seems to be" below the SBC?

98 out of those 100 polls say the MWC is below the SBC. "Seems" a little odd that you didn't state it like you did for your "MWC in last" counterpoint.

I just pointed out that your claim about the MWC was an extremely bad take, almost like you found the 1 in 100 that supported it.

I wasn't trying to make your point about the SBC being better this year. I DID agree with you. Many of you SBC people on this board are just unbelievably insecure.

The bowl game last night explains why there is insecurity. For some reason the polls have gotten out of whack this year, may be the computer guys set the base way to high in the beginning but this will correct in the next few years when the new wears off.
G5 leagues are getting closer and closer in quality and with the 3 leaving AAC the trend will just speed up. The debate and insecurities will only grow with no winner in sight.
12-22-2022 08:33 AM
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RE: Montana Grizzlies staying in Big Sky - for now
(12-19-2022 06:52 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(12-19-2022 10:34 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-18-2022 07:22 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  
(12-12-2022 01:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Missouri State sees that the conference is actually dying as a men's basketball conference, and looking for a greener pasture. They seemed to have money to do some upgrades to their facilities as we speak.

I started to just bypass this and move on. Then I said, nah, DavidSt does quite a bit of posting lies, er, I mean, half truths, wait...alternative facts. So now DavidSt, what rock solid, factual evidence or proof do you have that shows the Missouri Valley Conference is dying as a men's basketball conference? Proof, not conjecture!


MVC usually get more than 2 bids. That was before schools like Creighton, Wichita State, and Loyola Chicago. They are usually get 2, 3 or 4 bids. Now, they are barely getting only 1 school in the tournament. They lost their bigger brands to the A10, Big East and the AAC.

DUDE...Loyola JUST left! The conference had 2 bids a couple years ago! I can see if you said what Jacksfan29! said, but you have to go to the extreme! Sure the Valley is not the same, but by no means is it dying. Because of the portal, the conference will probably take a hit this season, but will rebound. Do me a favor and stop putting your spin on things and just deal with reality...PLEASE!

It is just not growing as fast as other leagues. Murray should be as good of an add as possible. MSU does take basketball extremely serious.
12-22-2022 08:36 AM
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RE: Montana Grizzlies staying in Big Sky - for now
(12-22-2022 08:33 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(12-18-2022 01:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-16-2022 02:43 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  
(12-15-2022 12:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2022 11:35 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  You left out the worst FBS conference of 2022: the Mountain West.

1. SEC (0.76)
2. Big 12 (0.74)
--------------------
3. Big 10 (0.65)
4. ACC (0.63)
5. Pac-12 (0.60)
--------------------
6. AAC (0.493)
7. SBC (0.486)
--------------------
8. C-USA (0.37)
9. MAC (0.353)
10. MWC (0.348)

https://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html

I always thought Colley was one of the worst ranking systems out there. This supports that thought. MWC is having a down year and seems to be below the SBC, but out of the 99 polls in the Massey composite, Colley is the ONLY one that has MWC ranked last. The overwhelming majority have them ranked above CUSA and MAC.

"Seems to be" below the SBC?

98 out of those 100 polls say the MWC is below the SBC. "Seems" a little odd that you didn't state it like you did for your "MWC in last" counterpoint.

I just pointed out that your claim about the MWC was an extremely bad take, almost like you found the 1 in 100 that supported it.

I wasn't trying to make your point about the SBC being better this year. I DID agree with you. Many of you SBC people on this board are just unbelievably insecure.

The bowl game last night explains why there is insecurity. For some reason the polls have gotten out of whack this year, may be the computer guys set the base way to high in the beginning but this will correct in the next few years when the new wears off.
G5 leagues are getting closer and closer in quality and with the 3 leaving AAC the trend will just speed up. The debate and insecurities will only grow with no winner in sight.

1 bowl loss causes insecurity issues? I think you're overreaching a bit. WKU's offense tore South Alabama's defense up the entire game, and WKU deserved that win. The Hilltoppers went 0-1 against the SBC in the regular season, but they have a solid program, which is why they were the "first one out" in the SBC expansion plans. They'll do well in the new C-USA, for however long they end up staying.
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12-22-2022 08:07 PM
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RE: Montana Grizzlies staying in Big Sky - for now
(12-22-2022 08:33 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(12-18-2022 01:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-16-2022 02:43 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  
(12-15-2022 12:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2022 11:35 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  You left out the worst FBS conference of 2022: the Mountain West.

1. SEC (0.76)
2. Big 12 (0.74)
--------------------
3. Big 10 (0.65)
4. ACC (0.63)
5. Pac-12 (0.60)
--------------------
6. AAC (0.493)
7. SBC (0.486)
--------------------
8. C-USA (0.37)
9. MAC (0.353)
10. MWC (0.348)

https://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html

I always thought Colley was one of the worst ranking systems out there. This supports that thought. MWC is having a down year and seems to be below the SBC, but out of the 99 polls in the Massey composite, Colley is the ONLY one that has MWC ranked last. The overwhelming majority have them ranked above CUSA and MAC.

"Seems to be" below the SBC?

98 out of those 100 polls say the MWC is below the SBC. "Seems" a little odd that you didn't state it like you did for your "MWC in last" counterpoint.

I just pointed out that your claim about the MWC was an extremely bad take, almost like you found the 1 in 100 that supported it.

I wasn't trying to make your point about the SBC being better this year. I DID agree with you. Many of you SBC people on this board are just unbelievably insecure.

The bowl game last night explains why there is insecurity. For some reason the polls have gotten out of whack this year, may be the computer guys set the base way to high in the beginning but this will correct in the next few years when the new wears off.
G5 leagues are getting closer and closer in quality and with the 3 leaving AAC the trend will just speed up. The debate and insecurities will only grow with no winner in sight.

For all the back and forth that SBC & CUSA fans do on this board ultimately you are right. The gap between the 5 in terms of football is closer than many want to admit. That’s why I’ve never been opposed to regionalization like many are.
12-23-2022 01:14 AM
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RE: Montana Grizzlies staying in Big Sky - for now
(12-16-2022 11:42 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  
(12-15-2022 10:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  North Dakota State could get an invite to the MWC if they lose members like the three top brands. NDSU, Montana and Montana State all could win the MWC over the others in there right now. The only ones that might challanged them are Air Force and Wyoming.

The question is: Will the MWC go north or south for members?

Demographics (potential students), media, weather, and geography all favor and suggest south (like into Texas). Call it the curse of being in a state that touches the 49th Parallel.

Should the MWC lose three (assume SDSU, BSU, UNLV), they become very binary (west cluster or mountain cluster). The mountain cluster is larger. For east west balance I'd see them go after CA or west coast schools interested (UCD, Sac).

West: SJSU, Fresno, Nevada
Mountain: USU, Wyo, CSU, USAFA, UNM

to address the question: Will the MWC go north or south for members?
depends on how many additional schools the PAC loses on top of USC & UCLA...
aPACalypse/aWACollapse scenarios modifications...
*Based on all things being equal...that the PAC & MWC return to 12...

IF PAC 12 - 2 Schools
THEN MWC - 2 (SDSU/Fresno) ===>
MWC 10 + CUSA 2 (NMST/UTEP) [south] = MWC 12
* NMST & UTEP ===> FBS

IF PAC 12 - 4 Schools
THEN MWC - 4 (SDSU/Fresno/SJSU/HI) ===>
MWC 8 + CUSA 2 (NMST/UTEP) [FBS] [south]
MWC 8 + BSC 2 (MN/MNST) [FCS] [north] = MWC 12
*MN/MNST matched pair
**FCS Callups
> SJST ---- CEFCU Stadium ------------------ (21,520)
*Smallest MWC stadium in current MWC membership...
> MN ------ Washington–Grizzly Stadium --- (25,203)
> MNST --- Bobcat Stadium ----------------- (20,767)
*May need to add at least 1.0K additional seats to be on par with smallest MWC stadium...[SJST --- CEFCU Stadium --- (21,520)]...
**Minimum 4.5K to reach 25K+ capacity mark...

IF PAC 12 - 6 Schools
THEN PAC 6 + MWC West 6 ===>
MWC Mtn 6 + CUSA 2 (UTEP/NMSU) [south]
MWC Mtn 6 +
BSC 4 (MN/MNST/Weber St./Sac. St.) [FCS] [north/mountain/west] = MWC 12
> Sac St. ------ Hornet Stadium ---- (21,195)
*May need to add at least 0.5K additional seats to be on par with smallest MWC stadium...[SJST --- CEFCU Stadium --- (21,520)]...
**Minimum 4.0K to reach 25K+ capacity mark...
> Weber St. --- Stewart Stadium --- (17,500)
*May need to add at least 4K additional seats to be on par with smallest MWC stadium...[SJST --- CEFCU Stadium --- (21,520)]...
**Minimum 7.5K to reach 25K capacity mark...
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RE: Montana Grizzlies staying in Big Sky - for now
The Mountain West taking New Mexico State and UTEP from C-USA also reduces the chance of WAC FBS getting off the ground. C-USA will replace its westernmost members with some combination of Abilene Christian, Stephen F. Austin, Tarleton State, and Central Arkansas.
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(12-24-2022 09:54 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Mountain West taking New Mexico State and UTEP from C-USA also reduces the chance of WAC FBS getting off the ground. C-USA will replace its westernmost members with some combination of Abilene Christian, Stephen F. Austin, Tarleton State, and Central Arkansas.

Similar to what I posted earlier...I got:
CUSA adds WAC TX 3 (ACU/Tarleton/SFA)...
CUSA adds UTRGV (2025) when UTRGV starts FB...
*CUSA options WAC-ASUN FB Alliance as a feeder for members as needed...
*CUSA could option UTA & UALR as Non-FB members like what they had with the SBC...
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