(01-24-2023 10:26 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  RayRay back to Western ?

Thats a no dwag.

(01-24-2023 10:05 AM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:44 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:54 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 12:18 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Our basketball has fallen off of a cliff. Didnt see this coming.

I did....

Can you expand on this? Something to do with Harper?

It's the same thing that happened at WKU. Harper is one of the best bench coaches I have ever seen but his recruiting is just woeful. He's good for a flash in the pan season where everything comes together, but over the long term his poor recruiting catches up with him.

Too bad we can't get a clone of Ray bench coaching abilities combined with Stanz recruiting abilities.

(01-24-2023 10:05 AM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:44 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:54 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 12:18 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Our basketball has fallen off of a cliff. Didnt see this coming.

I did....

Can you expand on this? Something to do with Harper?

It's the same thing that happened at WKU. Harper is one of the best bench coaches I have ever seen but his recruiting is just woeful. He's good for a flash in the pan season where everything comes together, but over the long term his poor recruiting catches up with him.

11.5 seasons....

4 NCAA Bids

wins
24
23
21
20
20
20
20
18
18
13
11-8 half season at Western
8-13 this season

1 losing season (possible 2nd this year) with 4 ncaa bids

How many coaches with 12 years under their belt had had a "splash in the pan" NCAA Bid on average ....every 3rd year?

(01-24-2023 03:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 10:05 AM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  

(01-24-2023 09:44 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:54 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 12:18 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Our basketball has fallen off of a cliff. Didnt see this coming.

I did....

Can you expand on this? Something to do with Harper?

It's the same thing that happened at WKU. Harper is one of the best bench coaches I have ever seen but his recruiting is just woeful. He's good for a flash in the pan season where everything comes together, but over the long term his poor recruiting catches up with him.

11.5 seasons....

4 NCAA Bids

wins
24
23
21
20
20
20
20
18
18
13
11-8 half season at Western
8-13 this season

1 losing season (possible 2nd this year) with 4 ncaa bids

How many coaches with 12 years under their belt had had a "splash in the pan" NCAA Bid on average ....every 3rd year?

Never seen a coach do more with less than Ray. 4 tournament bids where he was a 16 seed twice and a 15 seed the other two times still tells a tale about his recruiting. Also funny how he lost his conference tournament semi-finals last year but got in the tournament off a technicality. But sure, lets count it. Below are the Kenpom rankings for all his teams. Wins his fair share of games, but his teams are just plain average with average talent that he squeezes every ounce out of. And he's not going to possibly have another losing season this year. They are 5 games under .500 and favored to win only 2 of their last 10. On track for 20+ losses in his 7th season.

171, 149, 169, 157, 142, 110, 285, 162, 148, 290.

Now I know where that Kenpom comment on the WKU board came from.

Right now Liberty and Kennesaw State are tied for first place in the ASun at 7-1 respectively. KSU has come a long way in MBB over the previous few years.

Bearkats climb to number 63 in the kenpom after soundly beating a good Seattle squad. Defense was all over the place and Seattle couldn’t make a shot.

(01-27-2023 09:51 AM)Bearkat04 Wrote:  Bearkats climb to number 63 in the kenpom after soundly beating a good Seattle squad. Defense was all over the place and Seattle couldn’t make a shot.

That’s awesome. Liberty just moved to 46 in Kenpom and NET. Looking forward to joining you guys next year.

(01-27-2023 11:09 AM)Baldspot Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 09:51 AM)Bearkat04 Wrote:  Bearkats climb to number 63 in the kenpom after soundly beating a good Seattle squad. Defense was all over the place and Seattle couldn’t make a shot.

That’s awesome. Liberty just moved to 46 in Kenpom and NET. Looking forward to joining you guys next year.

Same! We will certainly have to prove ourselves in football but in basketball baseball and everything else we should be very competitive across the board. Especially baseball. Expect some great matchups with liberty

You can certainly counting on at least one guy in Liberty gear at Sanders Field when we match up.

I'll be honest, this run by the Bearkats this season certainly has caught me off guard. Well done, Sam!

(01-28-2023 09:31 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  You can certainly counting on at least one guy in Liberty gear at Sanders Field when we match up.

I'll be honest, this run by the Bearkats this season certainly has caught me off guard. Well done, Sam!

It has surprised me, also. If history is any indicator we will lose our first game in the conference tournament.

NET data thru 01.28.23. And just an FYI, that I may not be able to update this next week.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
Fla. Atlantic 19
North Texas 63
UAB 73
Charlotte 97
Middle Tenn. 113
Rice 148
Louisiana Tech 151
UTEP 171
Western Ky. 181
FIU 229
UTSA 317
Average 142

Future CUSA
Liberty 47
Sam Houston 48
Middle Tenn. 113
Kennesaw St. 122
Louisiana Tech 151
UTEP 171
Western Ky. 181
New Mexico St. 202
FIU 229
Jacksonville St. 290
Average 155

2022-23 average comps based on future conference affiliations (final average NET ranking from 21-22):
MWC 91 (113)
AAC 142 (107)
CUSA 155 (178)
A-10 164 (136)
SBC 180 (200)
MVC 181 (155)
MAC 208 (220)

Future CUSA number of Quad 1 wins and Quad 4 losses (AKA good wins vs bad losses).
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 16

Over the last three weeks, FAU won 7 consecutive games (4 - on the road) and dropped from 10th to 19th :)

(01-29-2023 01:08 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Over the last three weeks, FAU won 7 consecutive games (4 - on the road) and dropped from 10th to 19th :)

Are you surprised? Welcome to what we had to deal with all the years we were dominant in CUSA/Sun Belt and the more conference games we played the worse our NET/RPI got. You guys are just experiencing for the first time because this is the only year you've had a good team. Just be glad it's not dropping more. We had to put up with a ton of terrible FAU teams over the years destroying our ranking no matter how much we won by.

(01-29-2023 01:08 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Over the last three weeks, FAU won 7 consecutive games (4 - on the road) and dropped from 10th to 19th :)

But did you beat the spread in those 7 wins? Winning alone isn't enough to secure your position in the NET. How you win really matters.

Last night UNT beat UTEP by 10. That is a solid win, but only moved us up 1 spot in the NET. The spread was 8.5 for that game. We simply didn't win by enough points for it to really register with the NET.

Last night FAU beat WKU by seven, but the spread favored FAU by 14 points. Although FAU won, failing to beat the spread cost you 2 spots in the NET.

Now, the spread is officially not part of the NET formula, but it sure seems to be a solid guide for what teams have to do on the court if they want to move up in the rankings.

(01-29-2023 06:01 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(01-29-2023 01:08 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Over the last three weeks, FAU won 7 consecutive games (4 - on the road) and dropped from 10th to 19th :)

But did you beat the spread in those 7 wins? Winning alone isn't enough to secure your position in the NET. How you win really matters.

Last night UNT beat UTEP by 10. That is a solid win, but only moved us up 1 spot in the NET. The spread was 8.5 for that game. We simply didn't win by enough points for it to really register with the NET.

Last night FAU beat WKU by seven, but the spread favored FAU by 14 points. Although FAU won, failing to beat the spread cost you 2 spots in the NET.

Now, the spread is officially not part of the NET formula, but it sure seems to be a solid guide for what teams have to do on the court if they want to move up in the rankings.

It is.

At Liberty, we have moved quickly up the NET & KemPom rankings the past couple of weeks in spite of playing ASUN competition. Of course we have been winning by 15-20 a game which the computers seem to love. So this does give some validation to the point spread theory.

Liberty, SHSU, KSU all having good years bodes well for the basketball future of C-USA. JSU has been good in the recent past. I expect they will get back to at least a respectable level or better.

NMSU and WKU have Strong traditions and will not be down for long.

NET data thru 02.09.23.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
Fla. Atlantic 18
North Texas 56
UAB 75
Charlotte 102
Middle Tenn. 115
Louisiana Tech 149
Rice 151
Western Ky. 170
UTEP 185
FIU 201
UTSA 318
Average 140

Future CUSA
Liberty 45
Sam Houston 61
Middle Tenn. 115
Kennesaw St. 122
Louisiana Tech 149
Western Ky. 170
UTEP 185
New Mexico St. 188
FIU 201
Jacksonville St. 280
Average 152

2022-23 average comps based on future conference affiliations (final average NET ranking from 21-22):
MWC 92 (113)
AAC 142 (107)
CUSA 152 (178)
A-10 165 (136)
SBC 180 (200)
MVC 184 (155)
MAC 209 (220)

Future CUSA number of Quad 1 wins and Quad 4 losses (AKA good wins vs bad losses).
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 18

(02-10-2023 09:14 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  NET data thru 02.09.23.

https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_ranking...ties/22483

Current CUSA
Fla. Atlantic 18
North Texas 56
UAB 75
Charlotte 102
Middle Tenn. 115
Louisiana Tech 149
Rice 151
Western Ky. 170
UTEP 185
FIU 201
UTSA 318
Average 140

Future CUSA
Liberty 45
Sam Houston 61
Middle Tenn. 115
Kennesaw St. 122
Louisiana Tech 149
Western Ky. 170
UTEP 185
New Mexico St. 188
FIU 201
Jacksonville St. 280
Average 152

2022-23 average comps based on future conference affiliations (final average NET ranking from 21-22):
MWC 92 (113)
AAC 142 (107)
CUSA 152 (178)
A-10 165 (136)
SBC 180 (200)
MVC 184 (155)
MAC 209 (220)

Future CUSA number of Quad 1 wins and Quad 4 losses (AKA good wins vs bad losses).
Quad 1 wins - 3
Quad 4 losses - 18

I'm interested to see how this indefinite suspension of their season effects their NET ranking. There entire situation is just crazy.