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RE: Recount overturns Iowa State House race
(12-12-2022 10:19 PM)bullet Wrote: (12-12-2022 07:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: (12-09-2022 06:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: (12-09-2022 03:37 PM)mlb Wrote: (12-09-2022 03:34 PM)oruvoice Wrote: Machines or humans? Depends on the humans or the humans running the machines.
Look...I really don't know how much voter fraud has gone on due to "machines". I do think there's been some. And, I'm even more suspicious when so many people scream you down and call you names, when you ask for complete transparency.
If I were running ANYTHING and I was running it completely honestly, and a bunch of people were accusing me of fraud, I'd show them EVERYTHING they wanted, in full public view, so I could show that they are idiots.
This is a quite easy thing to test. Take 1000 votes, know exactly what the votes are, run them through the machine, see how they stack up. Make it 10000 if you want. It is an easily repeatable process that would be quickly vetted out. I can't say I'm sure how they do their accreditation to be approved, but I'm willing to bet there is some sort of systematic test against them to see how they perform. Hence... I find most of this to be BS.
Now if you want to say someone altered the results after the machine count, then you have a better argument, IMO.
Its already been proven to have happened.
In 2020 in NH, dominion owned machines took a race that was not close and brought it to within a recount. When the hand recount was done, it was discovered the dominion machines had assigned republican votes to the democrat, and that the republican won and it wasnt that close that close.
You're STILL lying about that election? Have you ANY shame?
I explained this to you like 5 times now. Some idiot at the county used a utility bill folding machine to fold the ballots. This put a crease through the fill-in bubbles on the ballot. This caused the machines to read them incorrectly as over-votes which throws out the selection.
And the other part was that humans didn't properly clean the tabulators so they functioned correctly.
Quote:CONCORD, N.H. — The outside experts who earlier this year audited a major discrepancy between Election Day and recount vote totals in Windham’s state representatives contest have concluded that improperly machine-folded absentee ballots were to blame.
A 121-page report by auditors Harri Hursti, Mark Lindeman and Philip Stark, detailing their examination in May, said, “The folding machine problem notwithstanding, for the most part our audit found the Windham election to have been well run under challenging circumstances, and we confirmed the number of ballots cast to within two ballots.”
"We found no basis to believe that the miscounts found in Windham indicate a pattern of partisan bias or a failed election," the report concluded.
"Fundamentally, the large discrepancy between election night totals and both hand counts in the State Representative contest in Windham can be attributed to unforeseen consequences and misfortune," the audit report said.
"Harried election officials borrowed a folding machine to send out thousands of absentee ballots more quickly, and votes on roughly 400 ballots were miscounted as a result."
Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, absentee ballot voting was at an all-time high in New Hampshire in 2020. Statewide, absentee ballots accounted for 260,217 of 814,499 votes cast.
In Windham, 3,029 of 10,004 votes cast were by absentee ballot.
The folding machine issue arose during the audit process in May. At the conclusion of the examination, auditor Hursti said there was no evidence of fraud.
As the auditors explained in their report:
“This audit found the primary root cause of the discrepancy to be folds through vote targets on some absentee ballots, largely resulting from using a machine to fold absentee ballots.”
The machine did not fold the ballots along the pre-marked score lines between the oval vote targets, which voters would mark for a candidate.
In many cases, the report said, the folds cut directly through the vote targets in the state representatives contest, “which the scanners interpreted as vote attempts a substantial fraction of the time.”
The false votes resulting from the scanners reading the folds as votes caused overvotes, which then resulted in votes being subtracted from other candidates.
The hand recount then accurately did not miscount the folds as votes, resulting in the difference between the Election Day machine count and the hand recount. The audit found that the hand recount accurately provided the final vote totals.
Windham election auditors confirm folding machine issue ‘root cause’ of discrepancy between vote, recount totals
So, again, the problem was humans and not machines.
Still don't know why anyone keeps listening to you. You know what happened here, yet you still continue to lie about it. 
Even if this is true, the problem is STILL that the machines counted things incorrectly. Pretty simple. Machines were not capable of counting these ballots correctly.
This IS true. It was the conclusion of everyone from independent auditors to election officials to the candidates. And the inquiry to what happened was an initial request from the Democratic candidate.
Ballots are designed so that the ovals are not at the same spot of both sides of the ballot to prevent any bleed-through and they're also designed to be folded so that the fold marks do not run through any oval on the ballot.
Since they were not folded properly and were all folded the same, the fold line went through the democrat's oval. Therefore, the machine counted this as a vote for the Democrat if no vote was cast in that race. And if a vote in that race was cast for the Republican, the machine counts them as overvotes, so no candidate is given the vote. So you had the Republican not getting their vote and the Democrat getting votes they should not have.
In New Hampshire, they were using older AccuVote machines (which is yes NOW owned by Dominion but these old machines are not Dominion technology). The modern Dominion machines like they use at the precinct I worked at in Michigan will kick back any ballots with overvotes allowing the voter to correct their mistake on a new ballot.
And again, since the paper ballots are kept, it was easy to see there was an issue and it was caught and corrected. Finally, this race was still won by the Republican. The audit just widened the margin of victory.
There was simply NO fraud or machine error here.
Here's the whole audit report:
https://www.doj.nh.gov/sb43/documents/20...report.pdf
If you look at Page 57, you will see the improperly folded ballot and an explanation of how it likely effected vote totals.
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Recount overturns Iowa State House race
