(12-08-2022 09:27 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 08:59 AM)Navyduke 07 Wrote:  Mike Zimmer (old Minnesota Vikings HC) heading to Colorado with Deion as DC. He served as a staff analyst at JSU last year. Looks like they have a history together dating back to 1995.

https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/repo...on-sanders

That's strange as it was there were tons of stories yesterday that Charles Kelly from Alabama being named DC. Seems like he may have Co-DC's but not sure.

Not sure how he is hiring everyone as his assistant pool is like 5 million which sounds large, but is 2.5 million less that what Fickell has at Wisky.

Not to mention Colorado came right out and said they didn't have the money for Deion yet, so they better have a plan in place with their big dollar donors to have money for his high-priced staff and their subsequent buyouts.

The SBC thinks Cignetti overachieved. We all knew better.

I've previously voiced the opinion that Cignetti shouldn't win COY, simply because we had 8-3 talent. We probably had 10-1 talent.

If he'd won with Atkins in and/or Toddy struggling for those few games...then maybe.

(12-08-2022 10:29 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  The SBC thinks Cignetti overachieved. We all knew better.

I've previously voiced the opinion that Cignetti shouldn't win COY, simply because we had 8-3 talent. We probably had 10-1 talent.

If he'd won with Atkins in and/or Toddy struggling for those few games...then maybe.

I find it odd you're discounting him for this, because part of the coaches job is to bring in talented players. If he brought in less talented players, that shouldn't have won more than 2 games, but he won 6, that'd make him a better candidate for COY?

(12-08-2022 10:29 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  The SBC thinks Cignetti overachieved. We all knew better.

I've previously voiced the opinion that Cignetti shouldn't win COY, simply because we had 8-3 talent. We probably had 10-1 talent.

If he'd won with Atkins in and/or Toddy struggling for those few games...then maybe.

Maybe we had "10-1 talent" if still in the FCS/CAA, but not in the SBC/FBS. Even the experts, his peers, voted us 5th in the East.

I heard from a good South Carolina friend that the Gamecocks are targeting our offensive coordinator, Shanahan .

(12-10-2022 03:34 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I heard from a good South Carolina friend that the Gamecocks are targeting our offensive coordinator, Shanahan .

He’s great and losing him would suck.

(12-10-2022 03:34 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I heard from a good South Carolina friend that the Gamecocks are targeting our offensive coordinator, Shanahan .

Can’t compete with their smoothies.

(12-08-2022 11:18 AM)JMU08 Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 10:29 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  The SBC thinks Cignetti overachieved. We all knew better.

I've previously voiced the opinion that Cignetti shouldn't win COY, simply because we had 8-3 talent. We probably had 10-1 talent.

If he'd won with Atkins in and/or Toddy struggling for those few games...then maybe.

I find it odd you're discounting him for this, because part of the coaches job is to bring in talented players. If he brought in less talented players, that shouldn't have won more than 2 games, but he won 6, that'd make him a better candidate for COY?

COY to me is about getting more out of your players than maybe you have a right to. It’s an in-season award, not a recruiting or offseason award. There have been plenty of COYs in various college and pro leagues that went 500. Doc Rivers won COY in the NBA with a 41-41 record.

So, yeah, if Cignetti had 2 win talent and coached them up to 6 wins, that’s COY stuff.

(12-08-2022 11:57 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(12-08-2022 10:29 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  The SBC thinks Cignetti overachieved. We all knew better.

I've previously voiced the opinion that Cignetti shouldn't win COY, simply because we had 8-3 talent. We probably had 10-1 talent.

If he'd won with Atkins in and/or Toddy struggling for those few games...then maybe.

Maybe we had "10-1 talent" if still in the FCS/CAA, but not in the SBC/FBS. Even the experts, his peers, voted us 5th in the East.

Well, clearly the other coaches are morons.

We had 10-1 talent…a healthy Centeio and we take two of three from Marshall, Ga. Southern and Louisville. But we didn’t have 10-1 depth.

Stanford hires Sacramento St HC. Huge jump from FCS to PAC.

https://sports.yahoo.com/stanford-hires-...01550.html

(12-10-2022 11:47 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Stanford hires Sacramento St HC. Huge jump from FCS to PAC.

https://sports.yahoo.com/stanford-hires-...01550.html

He seems like a very impressive coach to quickly raise the profile of Sac St. He was also Utah’s OC before the Sac St. gig, so precious P5 experience.

This year Sac St. was undefeated going 11-0 this season earning them the #2 seed. I remember they dismantled Colorado St. earlier this year and had some big BSC wins while averaging 15k attendance - impressive for that school.

I remembered his arrival back in 2019 because all of the sudden this BSC basement dweller makes a playoff appearance and had a few upsets. He inherited a team with 1 FBS win from 2018 and I remember them saying he that had a bunch of players who were 5’5”-5’8” on the roster h before his time.

(12-10-2022 11:47 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Stanford hires Sacramento St HC. Huge jump from FCS to PAC.

https://sports.yahoo.com/stanford-hires-...01550.html

I mentioned him as a guy I'd have on the list if I were TXST when they fired Spav. Definitely didn't expect that big of a jump for him!

I’d rather hire an FCS head coach than an FBS coordinator or assistant. If you’ve never been the MAN, the guy who takes the blame, gives away the credit and on whose desk the buck stops, I don’t want you. Go get experience elsewhere and then come see me in the P5. I’m not your guinea pig.

(12-11-2022 04:00 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  I’d rather hire an FCS head coach than an FBS coordinator or assistant. If you’ve never been the MAN, the guy who takes the blame, gives away the credit and on whose desk the buck stops, I don’t want you. Go get experience elsewhere and then come see me in the P5. I’m not your guinea pig.

I agree, obviously sometimes the guys without HC experience work out but I feel like it's a much safer bet if they have HC experience and have shown they can win at a lower level. Preferably showing they can win somewhere that wasn't winning before they came along.

Only time I'd maybe lean a little more the other way is if they were an assistant under a particularly good coach and one who's produced a really solid coaching tree. Like in basketball, if someone has been an assistant under Pitino or Billy Donovan I'd feel good about how much they'd have learned from those guys and about how much success other assistants of theirs have had as head coaches.

Yeah, I just feel like if you’re going to do something at the highest level, and there were opportunities to do the same job at a lower level and really learn the trade, then you should do that. Plenty of exceptions obviously, but I respect a coach who coached the local high school or a juco, took the long bus trips to BFE and back, played the half-empty gyms on cold nights in January. Those guys learn things you can’t as the assistant to a big-time coach.

Again, LOTS of exceptions! Just personal preference.

Saw this morning that Navy has fired their head coach who had been there for 15 or so years. Local DMV area here is very sad about that for the most part. Would think he will wind up somewhere quickly.

Brian

(12-12-2022 11:01 AM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  Saw this morning that Navy has fired their head coach who had been there for 15 or so years. Local DMV area here is very sad about that for the most part. Would think he will wind up somewhere quickly.

Brian

id guess he goes out to Utah to joins as an assistant at one of the programs there. He has a son that plays at Utah and is very active in the Mormon church. No big vacancies that ive seen there, so maybe he will go be an assistant for a few years before dipping his toe back into the HC ranks. He is truly an elite head coach, so it probably wont take long.

I am certain that more people here care that Cignetti didn't win COY than Cignetti himself.

(12-12-2022 11:01 AM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  Saw this morning that Navy has fired their head coach who had been there for 15 or so years. Local DMV area here is very sad about that for the most part. Would think he will wind up somewhere quickly.

Brian

The service academies are going to become increasingly difficult to coach at IMO. Their players cannot take NIL money which will put them increasingly at a disadvantage. This is on top of the fact that there is only a small subset of high school seniors that are interested in playing there. I would imagine there are several years ahead where that Navy v. Army game is going to be a battle between two sub-.500 teams.