I doubt you've ever read the Constitution. Or much of anything else. I'm thinking you're a TV only kinda guy.

(12-04-2022 12:31 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Trump is an insufferable boor, but he's right about an awful lot of things.

Entirely true statement … but incomplete.

The way you have it phrased, BTF, allows for the unstated implication that the bolded part is somehow exclusive to Donald Trump. It clearly is not. There are countless others who have been just as right as Trump (and in several instances - - such as Ron DeSantis/Rand Paul on covid - - significantly more right).

You likely don’t mean your post to be exclusive to Donald Trump. But you know who does? TigerCity, U. of Elvis, Mr. X and most everyone else on the left. And it is the only politically viable position that they can take, because they know that Trump is the only conservative (assuming you can even call him that) that they can beat in 2024.

Donald Trump was, and continues to be, right on an awful lot of very important issues facing our country. But he is perhaps the most wrong person to be referencing in any present-day discussion of them. That is an exercise in singing out of the progressive song book.

(12-04-2022 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Naw Trump is just a moron without a filter. I doubt he's ever read the Constitution. All he knows is there is something about the Constitution that kept him from being president again. And he wants that part cut out. Maybe the stuff about quartering troops in your home... he'll keep that.

Why is this even news? Democrats call for trashing the constitution almost daily at this point---be it with gun bans, bans on protected speech, bans on the free exercise of religious freedoms, or elimination of our electoral system of state representation. Odd nobody in the media even flinches at that outrageous anti- Constitution language when it emanates from the left.

(12-04-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Naw Trump is just a moron without a filter. I doubt he's ever read the Constitution. All he knows is there is something about the Constitution that kept him from being president again. And he wants that part cut out. Maybe the stuff about quartering troops in your home... he'll keep that.

Why is this even news? Democrats call for trashing the constitution almost daily at this point---be it with gun bans, bans on protected speech, bans on the free exercise of religious freedoms, or elimination of our electoral system of state representation. Odd nobody in the media even flinches at that outrageous anti- Constitution language when it emanates from the left.

Advocating for a different interpretation of Constitutional provisions, or for changes to the Constitution, is NOT the same as calling for the "termination" of "rules, regulations, and articles" found in the Constitution in order to rewrite history and install a defeated former President back in the White House.

Let's overthrow it! Just tell me when.

(12-04-2022 01:43 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Let's overthrow it! Just tell me when.

You're too late. It was January 6, 2021 at the United States Capitol and your side lost.

(12-04-2022 01:44 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:43 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Let's overthrow it! Just tell me when.

You're too late. It was January 6, 2021 at the United States Capitol and your side lost.

lol Swag is goofing

(12-03-2022 01:45 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  You leftist commie marxists can clutch your pearls all you want, but the fact is the media and big tech absolutely did collude with the democratic party to interfere with the last few elections.

That is not a conspiracy theory, its a proven fact. The founders made such activities illegals in the constitution, and the media, big tech and the democrats just threw out the constitution to do it anyway.

The democrat party does not care about the constitution, they have proven they simply view it as an outdated nuisance to their agenda.

I don't agree with Trump that we need to throw those elections out, what we need to do is take steps and make sure the media and big tech never collude with any political party again to control the outcome of our elections.

Conspiracies theory. What did Fox News and the far right media did in the 2016 election to spread lies about Hilary Clinton? She was unlikeable before the email scandals.

(12-04-2022 01:43 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Naw Trump is just a moron without a filter. I doubt he's ever read the Constitution. All he knows is there is something about the Constitution that kept him from being president again. And he wants that part cut out. Maybe the stuff about quartering troops in your home... he'll keep that.

Why is this even news? Democrats call for trashing the constitution almost daily at this point---be it with gun bans, bans on protected speech, bans on the free exercise of religious freedoms, or elimination of our electoral system of state representation. Odd nobody in the media even flinches at that outrageous anti- Constitution language when it emanates from the left.

Advocating for a different interpretation of Constitutional provisions, or for changes to the Constitution, is NOT the same as calling for the "termination" of "rules, regulations, and articles" found in the Constitution in order to rewrite history and install a defeated former President back in the White House.

Its exactly the same. Democrats routinely call for trashing anything contained in the Constitution when it runs counter to their DNC special interest demands. If you only respect the document whenever its provisions favor your positions---but then you dont have any respect for it when it doesnt---you are essentially advocating for having a government defined by the DNC rather than a written constitution....and Democrats literally do that on a daily basis. In fact---Democrats do it so often its clearly not even news worthy---or it could be that a media and Big Tech (that we now know takes its marching orders from the DNC) are simply complicit in the DNC undermining of the Constitution. Either way---there is zero difference.

(12-03-2022 03:03 PM)banker Wrote:  Trump is wrong. The proper path is to impeach Biden, and file charges against those in his camp that worked with the media and social platforms to suppress the 1st Amendment Rights in violation of the Constitution.

The media are protected in the 1st Amendment rights to report the facts if the right wing of the party who can't get it through their heads. What you are saying is that hell with the 1st Amendment and punish the news media.

The social media sites put in their TOS with the help of their lawyers without any government help. Why do you think some people on the far left want to destroy Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and Google? It means they are not in control of the social media networks.

(12-03-2022 07:40 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 06:10 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 01:45 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  You leftist commie marxists can clutch your pearls all you want, but the fact is the media and big tech absolutely did collude with the democratic party to interfere with the last few elections.

That is not a conspiracy theory, its a proven fact. The founders made such activities illegals in the constitution, and the media, big tech and the democrats just threw out the constitution to do it anyway.

The democrat party does not care about the constitution, they have proven they simply view it as an outdated nuisance to their agenda.

I don't agree with Trump that we need to throw those elections out, what we need to do is take steps and make sure the media and big tech never collude with any political party again to control the outcome of our elections.

If it is proven fact then let the prosecution begin!!! Round up the criminals!

Oh wait you got… squat. You got conspiracy theories, less then squat.

Its not a conspiracy that google, twitter and facebook shadow banned and suppressed dissenting views and facts on Biden and the democrats, and just flat out suppressed information that would have hurt them while amplifying all democrat talking points as undisputed facts.

We also have multiple examples of communications between the WH and social media and MSM proving they colluded on this.

Silencing your political opposition is what the Nazi's and communists do, the first amendment is there to protect Americans from such thigns. But the dems and big tech decided to work together to toss out the first amendment to collude with democrat party in our elections.

You are either lying of just plain ignorant of the facts. Knowing you its likely a combination of both.

Fake communications and the social media no such communications take place.

(12-04-2022 02:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 03:03 PM)banker Wrote:  Trump is wrong. The proper path is to impeach Biden, and file charges against those in his camp that worked with the media and social platforms to suppress the 1st Amendment Rights in violation of the Constitution.

The media are protected in the 1st Amendment rights to report the facts if the right wing of the party who can't get it through their heads. What you are saying is that hell with the 1st Amendment and punish the news media.

The social media sites put in their TOS with the help of their lawyers without any government help. Why do you think some people on the far left want to destroy Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and Google? It means they are not in control of the social media networks.

Take a breath and read what he wrote. Nowhere does he suggest "punishing" the media. The GOVERNMENT is prohibited from restricting free speech---not the media. GOVERNMENT officials who participated in the plot to restrict free speech of CITIZENS in an attempt to interfere with the election should be punished. This is a DIRECT threat to Democracy. Without the ability to freely express information and ideas---Democracy is not viable.

(12-04-2022 02:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 02:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-03-2022 03:03 PM)banker Wrote:  Trump is wrong. The proper path is to impeach Biden, and file charges against those in his camp that worked with the media and social platforms to suppress the 1st Amendment Rights in violation of the Constitution.

The media are protected in the 1st Amendment rights to report the facts if the right wing of the party who can't get it through their heads. What you are saying is that hell with the 1st Amendment and punish the news media.

The social media sites put in their TOS with the help of their lawyers without any government help. Why do you think some people on the far left want to destroy Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and Google? It means they are not in control of the social media networks.

Take a breath and read what he wrote. Nowhere does he suggest "punishing" the media. The GOVERNMENT is prohibited from restricting free speech---not the media. GOVERNMENT officials who participated in the plot to restrict free speech of CITIZENS in an attempt to interfere with the election should be punished. This is a DIRECT threat to Democracy. Without the ability to freely express information and ideas---Democracy is not viable.

The government were not telling the social media who to banned. You have a lot of these people used terms that would be considered take actions to cause violance to others. That is why they got banned. It was not on the right that were banned, but people on the left like Kathy Griffinn and Rose McGowan. Rose got her account banned when she doxxed somebody's personal address that could caused harm. She cried that her 1st Amendment rights were taken away from her.

(12-04-2022 01:43 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Naw Trump is just a moron without a filter. I doubt he's ever read the Constitution. All he knows is there is something about the Constitution that kept him from being president again. And he wants that part cut out. Maybe the stuff about quartering troops in your home... he'll keep that.

Why is this even news? Democrats call for trashing the constitution almost daily at this point---be it with gun bans, bans on protected speech, bans on the free exercise of religious freedoms, or elimination of our electoral system of state representation. Odd nobody in the media even flinches at that outrageous anti- Constitution language when it emanates from the left.

Advocating for a different interpretation of Constitutional provisions, or for changes to the Constitution, is NOT the same as calling for the "termination" of "rules, regulations, and articles" found in the Constitution in order to rewrite history and install a defeated former President back in the White House.

Of course .... but the fan boys here don't see that far ahead. So they fall in line and talk about the overthrow of the Constitution or, in the alternative, tell you what Trump really said even though what he really really said is there for everyone to read. Of course getting rid of the Constitution means there's no president. Oops. Or maybe that's what Trumpy "really means" ..... The cantaloupe wants to be a dictator.

(12-04-2022 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Naw Trump is just a moron without a filter.

Funny, that's how most see you.

(12-04-2022 03:32 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:43 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Naw Trump is just a moron without a filter. I doubt he's ever read the Constitution. All he knows is there is something about the Constitution that kept him from being president again. And he wants that part cut out. Maybe the stuff about quartering troops in your home... he'll keep that.

Why is this even news? Democrats call for trashing the constitution almost daily at this point---be it with gun bans, bans on protected speech, bans on the free exercise of religious freedoms, or elimination of our electoral system of state representation. Odd nobody in the media even flinches at that outrageous anti- Constitution language when it emanates from the left.

Advocating for a different interpretation of Constitutional provisions, or for changes to the Constitution, is NOT the same as calling for the "termination" of "rules, regulations, and articles" found in the Constitution in order to rewrite history and install a defeated former President back in the White House.

Of course .... but the fan boys here don't see that far ahead. So they fall in line and talk about the overthrow of the Constitution or, in the alternative, tell you what Trump really said even though what he really really said is there for everyone to read. Of course getting rid of the Constitution means there's no president. Oops. Or maybe that's what Trumpy "really means" ..... The cantaloupe wants to be a dictator.

Ok. Have it your way. Trump is simply "advocating for a different interpretation of the Constitution" which I dont happen to agree with. I guess we can end the thread now.

That said, assuming there was proof of massive fraud---the argument would be that the Articles and rules of the Constitution have already been violated and there is no real constitutionally defined process to properly set things right. Impeachment simply allows Harris to take office. Impeaching Harris just allows whoever she appoints as VP to take office. No process would allow for the actual winner of 2020 to take office (remember, we are assuming massive fraud took place for purposes of a theoretical discussion). So Trump does have a point in that there is nothing in the constitution that offers a way to redress wide spread fraud resulting in the wrong candidate claiming the presidency (especially if its discovered well after inauguration). To be clear---this is totally hypothetical---I have not seen clear evidence totally proving such a situation currently exists----though there is increasing evidence of election interference by the Democrats, some government officials, and various Social Media platforms.

(12-04-2022 04:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 03:32 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:43 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Naw Trump is just a moron without a filter. I doubt he's ever read the Constitution. All he knows is there is something about the Constitution that kept him from being president again. And he wants that part cut out. Maybe the stuff about quartering troops in your home... he'll keep that.

Why is this even news? Democrats call for trashing the constitution almost daily at this point---be it with gun bans, bans on protected speech, bans on the free exercise of religious freedoms, or elimination of our electoral system of state representation. Odd nobody in the media even flinches at that outrageous anti- Constitution language when it emanates from the left.

Advocating for a different interpretation of Constitutional provisions, or for changes to the Constitution, is NOT the same as calling for the "termination" of "rules, regulations, and articles" found in the Constitution in order to rewrite history and install a defeated former President back in the White House.

Of course .... but the fan boys here don't see that far ahead. So they fall in line and talk about the overthrow of the Constitution or, in the alternative, tell you what Trump really said even though what he really really said is there for everyone to read. Of course getting rid of the Constitution means there's no president. Oops. Or maybe that's what Trumpy "really means" ..... The cantaloupe wants to be a dictator.

Ok. Have it your way. Trump is simply "advocating for a different interpretation of the Constitution" which I dont happen to agree with. I guess we can end the thread now.

That said, assuming there was proof of massive fraud---the argument would be that the Articles and rules of the Constitution have already been violated and there is no real constitutionally defined process to properly set things right. Impeachment simply allows Harris to take office. Impeaching Harris just allows whoever she appoints as VP to take office. No process would allow for the actual winner of 2020 to take office (remember, we are assuming massive fraud took place for purposes of a theoretical discussion). So Trump does have a point in that there is nothing in the constitution that offers a way to redress wide spread fraud resulting in the wrong candidate claiming the presidency (especially if its discovered well after inauguration). To be clear---this is totally hypothetical---I have not seen any evidence that would prove such a situation currently exists----though there is increasing evidence of election interference by the Democrats, some government officials, and various Social Media platforms.

In your ongoing attempt to make a principled argument out of Trumpty Dumpty's authoritarian ranting, you continue to ignore what the GOP frontrunner actually said -

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution"

He isn't "advocating for a different interpretation of the Constitution" here, he's calling to throw out whatever portions of it stand in the way of his restoration to power. There's no section, amendment or phrase at issue here that could be interpreted differently and would result in his desired outcome. At least Trump is being honest and just calling for what he wants, unlike the parade of orange apologists who try to make his tantrums into some masterful game of 4D chess.

He also isn't calling for legal Constitutional change here. He could campaign on amending the Constitution to alter whatever he would like changed, let the Vice President override the election, give all the red states double electoral votes, whatever. If it's done properly and ratified by 3/4 of the states, it becomes part of the Constitution and the law of the land going forward. But that isn't what he's doing and he doesn't care about the future - he wants to rewrite history and be "installed" as POTUS just as he called for defeated MAGA Queen Kari Lake to be installed as Governor of Arizona last week.

(12-04-2022 02:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:43 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-04-2022 01:03 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Naw Trump is just a moron without a filter. I doubt he's ever read the Constitution. All he knows is there is something about the Constitution that kept him from being president again. And he wants that part cut out. Maybe the stuff about quartering troops in your home... he'll keep that.

Why is this even news? Democrats call for trashing the constitution almost daily at this point---be it with gun bans, bans on protected speech, bans on the free exercise of religious freedoms, or elimination of our electoral system of state representation. Odd nobody in the media even flinches at that outrageous anti- Constitution language when it emanates from the left.

Advocating for a different interpretation of Constitutional provisions, or for changes to the Constitution, is NOT the same as calling for the "termination" of "rules, regulations, and articles" found in the Constitution in order to rewrite history and install a defeated former President back in the White House.

Its exactly the same. Democrats routinely call for trashing anything contained in the Constitution when it runs counter to their DNC special interest demands. If you only respect the document whenever its provisions favor your positions---but then you dont have any respect for it when it doesnt---you are essentially advocating for having a government defined by the DNC rather than a written constitution....and Democrats literally do that on a daily basis. In fact---Democrats do it so often its clearly not even news worthy---or it could be that a media and Big Tech (that we now know takes its marching orders from the DNC) are simply complicit in the DNC undermining of the Constitution. Either way---there is zero difference.

This. Agree with you completely on this issue AttackCoog.

To be clear -- here is Trump's actual words --

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution".

Many here claim the progressives and democrats do the same in the massive kneejerk reaction to the words.

So let's change the context:

"A Massive Fraud gun massacre of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution Second Amendment"

No, the left does not say that. They *do* say 'there is a interpretation we think more aptly covers this'. They dont call for a mass 'strikeout' of the 2nd Amendment.

Wash, rinse, and replace for every other 'whadaboutism' that the Phi Beta Kappas insist that is *exactly the same* as what the grifter Trump explicitly said. Every instance that these Phi Beta Kappa 'whadabouters' pulls up fits more in the former -- as opposed to 'lets just strike the portions and act that they dont exist' like Gifter in Chief Trump just said he supports. Explicitly.

Seriously, this shitbird literally just explicitly called out for a strikethrough of any and all law that he thinks stands in the way of his little fing spoiled brat temper tantrum. En toto.

Trump was a great President and if he’s the Republican nominee I’ll vote for him again.

You liberals are nuts and do not need to be in charge of anything. Ever. You people are doing your best to ruin this country. We simply can’t let that happen.