(12-01-2022 04:30 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  https://apnews.com/article/college-footb...5afa08fe59

Quote:The university leaders who make up the CFP board of managers were pushing for a decision from Rose Bowl officials by Wednesday about whether they would amend existing contracts for 2024 and ’25 and allow the playoff to triple in size.

The Rose Bowl is scheduled to have a traditional Pac-12-Big Ten matchup in those seasons. To have a 12-team playoff, the Rose Bowl would need to host a quarterfinal in its traditional and valuable Jan. 1 time slot.

Rose Bowl officials had asked the CFP to guarantee the game would remain on New Year’s Day, starting at 5 p.m. EST, in the new format for 2026 and beyond.

CFP leaders balked.

The original 12-year contract the CFP has with ESPN expires after the 2025-26 season. CFP officials have been unwilling to make any binding commitments about the College Football Playoff beyond 2025.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-and-2025/

Quote:The Rose Bowl had proposed hosting CFP quarterfinals in 2024 and 2025 -- possibly without their traditional Big Ten and Pac-12 partners -- in exchange for keeping its time slot as part of the CFP's new media rights contract starting in 2026, a source close to the situation told CBS Sports. That offer was refused.

Interesting.

The hang-up appears to have been 2026 (and beyond) guarantees.

I wonder what the actual deal (for 2024/5) is now.

Posted this in the other thread.

Thought I'd ask this here though -

Setting aside the question of 2026, do you think the rose bowl kept its timeslot for the 2024/5 seasons?

I'm sure it did. The question is if it will ever be a semifinal and, if it is, do they get another game at that time slot or is it a playoff bowl.

(12-01-2022 04:38 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 04:30 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  https://apnews.com/article/college-footb...5afa08fe59

Quote:The university leaders who make up the CFP board of managers were pushing for a decision from Rose Bowl officials by Wednesday about whether they would amend existing contracts for 2024 and ’25 and allow the playoff to triple in size.

The Rose Bowl is scheduled to have a traditional Pac-12-Big Ten matchup in those seasons. To have a 12-team playoff, the Rose Bowl would need to host a quarterfinal in its traditional and valuable Jan. 1 time slot.

Rose Bowl officials had asked the CFP to guarantee the game would remain on New Year’s Day, starting at 5 p.m. EST, in the new format for 2026 and beyond.

CFP leaders balked.

The original 12-year contract the CFP has with ESPN expires after the 2025-26 season. CFP officials have been unwilling to make any binding commitments about the College Football Playoff beyond 2025.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-and-2025/

Quote:The Rose Bowl had proposed hosting CFP quarterfinals in 2024 and 2025 -- possibly without their traditional Big Ten and Pac-12 partners -- in exchange for keeping its time slot as part of the CFP's new media rights contract starting in 2026, a source close to the situation told CBS Sports. That offer was refused.

Interesting.

The hang-up appears to have been 2026 (and beyond) guarantees.

I wonder what the actual deal (for 2024/5) is now.

Posted this in the other thread.

Thought I'd ask this here though -

Setting aside the question of 2026, do you think the rose bowl kept its timeslot for the 2024/5 seasons?

My guess is the RB willing to play ball for 24/25 because it's just two seasons. The CFP revenue for 24/25 is only 2x from what everyone is making currently.

In 2026 when they bid the contract out to 4x the Rose IMO should just go the Sun Bowl route and take itself out of the CFP quarterfinal rotation. Replace it with the Holiday Bowl in the new SoFi Stadium.

This way they can have their parade and time slot the way they want it with a good B1G-PAC match up every season. The ultimate consolation prize for not making the playoff.

Then with the Rose solo in the CFP contract that would set the stage for other consolation games: (Sun, Music City, Gator) for the 4 champs that don't make the playoff for January 1st weekend bowl filler.

With the 12 playoff its going to push the picks of the Sun, Music City and Gator further down the P5 pecking order anyways. They might as well take in a lower tier conference champion. Citrus (SEC/B1G), Alamo (XII), Charlotte (ACC). Las Vegas (PAC) are cash cow enough to keep them in the P5 stable.

I find it hard to believe that ESPN (and/or FOX) would not want the luster of the Rose Bowl in its traditional time slot as part of the CFP. It creates continuity with traditional bowl system and will appeal to fans of the Rose Bowl who may not necessarily have as much interest in the CFP.

I believe the Rose Bowl has consistently been the highest rated semifinal as a CFP game and the highest rated non-CFP NY6 game when not a semifinal.

(12-01-2022 04:38 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 04:30 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  https://apnews.com/article/college-footb...5afa08fe59

Quote:The university leaders who make up the CFP board of managers were pushing for a decision from Rose Bowl officials by Wednesday about whether they would amend existing contracts for 2024 and ’25 and allow the playoff to triple in size.

The Rose Bowl is scheduled to have a traditional Pac-12-Big Ten matchup in those seasons. To have a 12-team playoff, the Rose Bowl would need to host a quarterfinal in its traditional and valuable Jan. 1 time slot.

Rose Bowl officials had asked the CFP to guarantee the game would remain on New Year’s Day, starting at 5 p.m. EST, in the new format for 2026 and beyond.

CFP leaders balked.

The original 12-year contract the CFP has with ESPN expires after the 2025-26 season. CFP officials have been unwilling to make any binding commitments about the College Football Playoff beyond 2025.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-and-2025/

Quote:The Rose Bowl had proposed hosting CFP quarterfinals in 2024 and 2025 -- possibly without their traditional Big Ten and Pac-12 partners -- in exchange for keeping its time slot as part of the CFP's new media rights contract starting in 2026, a source close to the situation told CBS Sports. That offer was refused.

Interesting.

The hang-up appears to have been 2026 (and beyond) guarantees.

I wonder what the actual deal (for 2024/5) is now.

Posted this in the other thread.

Thought I'd ask this here though -

Setting aside the question of 2026, do you think the rose bowl kept its timeslot for the 2024/5 seasons?

Absolutely. When the Rose Bowl is a quarterfinal, everybody wants the Rose Bowl in the 5 p.m. New Years DAy spot.

The conflict is when there's a Rose Bowl, and a quarterfinal, and they both want that New Years DAy afternoon timeslot.

(12-01-2022 09:22 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I find it hard to believe that ESPN (and/or FOX) would not want the luster of the Rose Bowl in its traditional time slot as part of the CFP. It creates continuity with traditional bowl system and will appeal to fans of the Rose Bowl who may not necessarily have as much interest in the CFP.

I believe the Rose Bowl has consistently been the highest rated semifinal as a CFP game and the highest rated non-CFP NY6 game when not a semifinal.

If I'm ESPN

Would I rather have the Rose Bowl as part of the CFP package that I am probably going to begin to share with other networks

OR

Would I rather the the Rose Bowl all to myself like I do the Citrus Bowl with a premier constellation matchup who's rights are 100% ESPN. Often times the Citrus Bowl is a better matchup than one or two of the NY6 games.

If I'm the Rose Bowl and I'm truly hell bent on keeping NYD slot, then I work out a deal with ESPN to be a bigger better Citrus Bowl for them. Turn it into what the Citrus Bowl is now, the best 2 SEC and Big 10 teams not in the larger NY6/CFP. No need for a PAC tie in since UCLA and USC are moving to Big 10

(12-01-2022 10:15 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 09:22 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I find it hard to believe that ESPN (and/or FOX) would not want the luster of the Rose Bowl in its traditional time slot as part of the CFP. It creates continuity with traditional bowl system and will appeal to fans of the Rose Bowl who may not necessarily have as much interest in the CFP.

I believe the Rose Bowl has consistently been the highest rated semifinal as a CFP game and the highest rated non-CFP NY6 game when not a semifinal.

If I'm ESPN

Would I rather have the Rose Bowl as part of the CFP package that I am probably going to begin to share with other networks

OR

Would I rather the the Rose Bowl all to myself like I do the Citrus Bowl with a premier constellation matchup who's rights are 100% ESPN. Often times the Citrus Bowl is a better matchup than one or two of the NY6 games.

Number one, I don't think the Citrus Bowl West model is going to work that well, because the Citrus Bowl model is going to take a hit. I might go through the matchups later, but I'd wager that the 6+6 playoff would include a couple of those teams that drove big Citrus Bowl ratings (because the Orange or Sugar or Rose Bowl had to take a #15 team because they were the best available from the ACC/ Big 12 / PAC.) And if you're splitting the Citrus Bowl into Citrus East (best SEC) and Citrus West (best Big Ten) you're further diluting everything.

I'm not sure there's a big TV market for a Citrus Bowl West on New YEars Day. ESPN is sharing the CFP largely because even the mighty House of Mouse is running up against financial limits.

(11-30-2022 09:33 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I'm past tired of the Rose Bowl causing problems with the college football postseason. They've been a thorn in the side of progress as long as I've been a fan, and it needs to end. Their traditions will soon be a farce anyway with Southern Cal & UCLA heading to the B1G, and I think the rest of college football should move on from "the Grandaddy of them all". Honor the existing contracts but replace the Rose Bowl from 2026 on with a more cooperative bowl in a destination city.

I don't accept that all "progress" is necessarily good. It's not incumbent upon the Rose Bowl to just go along with whatever idea somebody else comes up with.

Although I'll concede that USC & UCLA leaving the PAC makes it harder to argue "but, tradition!"

Once you’ve identified the top 4 champs, it then becomes an exercise in who do you send where. It makes sense to put the top 4 champs in quarter final bowls that are either close/historically tied.

The Rose Bowl wants to be tied to the Big 10 and PAC 10 and those conferences want the Rose Bowl. It only makes sense that the Rose gets one of the two (and in all likelihood, if they had to pick one or the other, they’d take the Big 10).

If it were up to me:

Rose and Sugar are permanent quarterfinal sites and play on NYD. They get preference when the Big 10 and SEC champs are on the top 4.

The Cotton/Fiesta and Peach/Orange can trade off between being Quarterfinal and Semifinal sites. They can get the champs that make the most geographic sense.

This avoids the double hosting issue and keeps the Rose happy and preserves the legacy of the two bowls who have had very long histories with the P5’s two strongest leagues.

(12-01-2022 09:06 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 04:38 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 04:30 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  https://apnews.com/article/college-footb...5afa08fe59

Quote:The university leaders who make up the CFP board of managers were pushing for a decision from Rose Bowl officials by Wednesday about whether they would amend existing contracts for 2024 and ’25 and allow the playoff to triple in size.

The Rose Bowl is scheduled to have a traditional Pac-12-Big Ten matchup in those seasons. To have a 12-team playoff, the Rose Bowl would need to host a quarterfinal in its traditional and valuable Jan. 1 time slot.

Rose Bowl officials had asked the CFP to guarantee the game would remain on New Year’s Day, starting at 5 p.m. EST, in the new format for 2026 and beyond.

CFP leaders balked.

The original 12-year contract the CFP has with ESPN expires after the 2025-26 season. CFP officials have been unwilling to make any binding commitments about the College Football Playoff beyond 2025.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-and-2025/

Quote:The Rose Bowl had proposed hosting CFP quarterfinals in 2024 and 2025 -- possibly without their traditional Big Ten and Pac-12 partners -- in exchange for keeping its time slot as part of the CFP's new media rights contract starting in 2026, a source close to the situation told CBS Sports. That offer was refused.

Interesting.

The hang-up appears to have been 2026 (and beyond) guarantees.

I wonder what the actual deal (for 2024/5) is now.

Posted this in the other thread.

Thought I'd ask this here though -

Setting aside the question of 2026, do you think the rose bowl kept its timeslot for the 2024/5 seasons?

My guess is the RB willing to play ball for 24/25 because it's just two seasons. The CFP revenue for 24/25 is only 2x from what everyone is making currently.

In 2026 when they bid the contract out to 4x the Rose IMO should just go the Sun Bowl route and take itself out of the CFP quarterfinal rotation. Replace it with the Holiday Bowl in the new SoFi Stadium.

This way they can have their parade and time slot the way they want it with a good B1G-PAC match up every season. The ultimate consolation prize for not making the playoff.

Then with the Rose solo in the CFP contract that would set the stage for other consolation games: (Sun, Music City, Gator) for the 4 champs that don't make the playoff for January 1st weekend bowl filler.

With the 12 playoff its going to push the picks of the Sun, Music City and Gator further down the P5 pecking order anyways. They might as well take in a lower tier conference champion. Citrus (SEC/B1G), Alamo (XII), Charlotte (ACC). Las Vegas (PAC) are cash cow enough to keep them in the P5 stable.

The Rose is not going to voluntarily make itself a non-playoff bowl.

But due to the problems the Rose Bowl keeps causing, I think the committee should either replace the Rose with a different bowl in the rotation in 2026, or should just make the bowl structure entirely separate from the playoffs.

(12-01-2022 05:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Once you’ve identified the top 4 champs, it then becomes an exercise in who do you send where. It makes sense to put the top 4 champs in quarter final bowls that are either close/historically tied.

The Rose Bowl wants to be tied to the Big 10 and PAC 10 and those conferences want the Rose Bowl. It only makes sense that the Rose gets one of the two (and in all likelihood, if they had to pick one or the other, they’d take the Big 10).

If it were up to me:

Rose and Sugar are permanent quarterfinal sites and play on NYD. They get preference when the Big 10 and SEC champs are on the top 4.

The Cotton/Fiesta and Peach/Orange can trade off between being Quarterfinal and Semifinal sites. They can get the champs that make the most geographic sense.

This avoids the double hosting issue and keeps the Rose happy and preserves the legacy of the two bowls who have had very long histories with the P5’s two strongest leagues.

Until the semifinals, all games should be at the home stadium of the higher seeded team. It's ridiculous to have a #1 vs #12 quarterfinal at a neutral site. Since 12 is way too many playoff teams, the lower seeded teams need to be penalized for having an unspectacular season as much as possible. (Plus quarterfinals at a neutral site probably wouldn't sell out anyway.)


And I don't care in the least about the Big Ten's incessant whining about how they won't be able to fix their stadiums to hold a winter game in the next four years.


That leaves three games at neutral sites. Even if you put the "Big Six" bowls into that system, each of them would only get a playoff game every other year.


I'm sure the bowl games will be campaigning for an idiotic system where the quarterfinals are at a neutral site, and we either promote another bowl to create a "Big Seven" bowl system or (even better for the Big Six bowls) we allow one of the bowls to host two playoff games every year. But the playoff committee better not adopt that idea.


Although some people don't seem to realize it, the playoff committee basically holds 100% of the negotiating power over the bowls here. If the bowls don't like the playoff committee's demands, they can and should be excluded from the playoffs.

(12-01-2022 05:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Once you’ve identified the top 4 champs, it then becomes an exercise in who do you send where. It makes sense to put the top 4 champs in quarter final bowls that are either close/historically tied.

The Rose Bowl wants to be tied to the Big 10 and PAC 10 and those conferences want the Rose Bowl. It only makes sense that the Rose gets one of the two (and in all likelihood, if they had to pick one or the other, they’d take the Big 10).

If it were up to me:

Rose and Sugar are permanent quarterfinal sites and play on NYD. They get preference when the Big 10 and SEC champs are on the top 4.

The Cotton/Fiesta and Peach/Orange can trade off between being Quarterfinal and Semifinal sites. They can get the champs that make the most geographic sense.

This avoids the double hosting issue and keeps the Rose happy and preserves the legacy of the two bowls who have had very long histories with the P5’s two strongest leagues.

This sounds pretty logical.

Now you just have to convince the bowls : )

https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/02/ro...d-to-delay
Now we know why it was last minute. Head of the Rose Bowl committee is a lawyer.

Lawyers like to delay all decisions to the last possible second.

The reason why the RB signed this is because it exhausts its last SF in 23'. A QF Bowl is tolerable when the B1G team is still likely to get top billing there.

My guess is they will try to jigger the standings to get first choice for the B1G opponent. It could be a 2v5 or 2v6 game instead of 2vs7.

(12-01-2022 07:28 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 05:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Once you’ve identified the top 4 champs, it then becomes an exercise in who do you send where. It makes sense to put the top 4 champs in quarter final bowls that are either close/historically tied.

The Rose Bowl wants to be tied to the Big 10 and PAC 10 and those conferences want the Rose Bowl. It only makes sense that the Rose gets one of the two (and in all likelihood, if they had to pick one or the other, they’d take the Big 10).

If it were up to me:

Rose and Sugar are permanent quarterfinal sites and play on NYD. They get preference when the Big 10 and SEC champs are on the top 4.

The Cotton/Fiesta and Peach/Orange can trade off between being Quarterfinal and Semifinal sites. They can get the champs that make the most geographic sense.

This avoids the double hosting issue and keeps the Rose happy and preserves the legacy of the two bowls who have had very long histories with the P5’s two strongest leagues.

This sounds pretty logical.

Now you just have to convince the bowls : )

Traveling to, say the Rose bowl for the quarters, then Miami for semis, then Dallas for the Championship is gonna get really old really fast for any fanbase. I think starting in 2026 they should at least go to only semis/championship, or perhaps even just Championship at a neutral site.

I think you go regional... book Atlanta, Jerry, SoFi, Indy NFL stadiums as permanent SFs as you flex into the higher seeded regional venue. Booking four sites like that works on all levels. Maybe swap out Jerry World for the Super Dome for weather concerns although I don't see how Indy doesn't have similar weather concerns for commuting fans. NCG can go back to Fla or any northern location with a Dome, bid out years in advance. You have to treat it like Super Regionals and not a Final Four... (same venue for SFs and NCG is stupid unless the games are played on 3 days rest or so).

(12-02-2022 04:14 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 07:28 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 05:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Once you’ve identified the top 4 champs, it then becomes an exercise in who do you send where. It makes sense to put the top 4 champs in quarter final bowls that are either close/historically tied.

The Rose Bowl wants to be tied to the Big 10 and PAC 10 and those conferences want the Rose Bowl. It only makes sense that the Rose gets one of the two (and in all likelihood, if they had to pick one or the other, they’d take the Big 10).

If it were up to me:

Rose and Sugar are permanent quarterfinal sites and play on NYD. They get preference when the Big 10 and SEC champs are on the top 4.

The Cotton/Fiesta and Peach/Orange can trade off between being Quarterfinal and Semifinal sites. They can get the champs that make the most geographic sense.

This avoids the double hosting issue and keeps the Rose happy and preserves the legacy of the two bowls who have had very long histories with the P5’s two strongest leagues.

This sounds pretty logical.

Now you just have to convince the bowls : )

Traveling to, say the Rose bowl for the quarters, then Miami for semis, then Dallas for the Championship is gonna get really old really fast for any fanbase. I think starting in 2026 they should at least go to only semis/championship, or perhaps even just Championship at a neutral site.

Yup and there is CCG travel too

4 neutral site games minimum