(11-29-2022 09:11 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 09:04 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:44 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:10 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Alabama being 10-2 is the biggest reason for the perception the SEC is down but they aren't the only reason.

Auburn and Texas A&M are below .500.
Florida is .500.

I thought the SEC was poorer last season. They had everyone other than Vandy bowl eligible but Auburn, Florida, and LSU were all 6-6 (UF was 2-6 in the SEC) and Alabama, while 11-1, struggled to beat many of these teams. It wasn't until the Playoff that Georgia and Alabama flexed their muscles and proved me wrong. At least this season LSU was doing well for most of the season and Tennessee as well before Hooker got hurt. If LSU and Tennessee hadn't tailed off late, the SEC would look a lot stronger and Alabama's losses would have looked better. It hurt that Georgia didn't play either LSU (yet) or Alabama and had Tennessee at home.

I would say that the one difference between this year and some previous years is Tennessee's loss to USC. Take that one game away and we have a clear cut 2nd playoff team. Or, just have Tennessee also lose to Bama. Or have A&M lose to LSU. Lot's of things could have gone differently this year for the SEC, but when there are so many good programs and good teams you'll have a lot of years like this.

Every conference this year or past years can say the same thing, change one result and we'd have an extra Playoff team (or in some cases A Playoff team). The Big Ten has NEVER had two Playoff teams in the same year. How many times has the SEC? More than any other conference. Only the ACC has ever had more than one in the same year and that's because Notre Dame was a full member during the pandemic year. How many times has the SEC been shut out of the Playoff? The Big Ten's been shut out twice (at the expense of TWO SEC teams in 2017). I'm not going to cry for the SEC not getting two Playoff teams this year, especially since Georgia's probably going to win it. We saw what happened last year when Georgia played Michigan. You're lucky Michigan beat Ohio State because if Georgia played Ohio State it would be a tougher game. Wilkes University has a better chance of beating Georgia than Michigan does. Georgia Tech has a better chance of beating Georgia than Michigan does (ok too far!)

I don't care one way or the other for Georgia tbh, and I don't feel like I must chant "SEC" every time some team we've played once in 11 years is in a bowl. I'll root for teams we play every year from the SECW if they're in a bowl, but I certainly am not worried about whether Georgia wins or doesn't win the title this year. I have enough to worry about in College Station to worry about a bunch of SECE teams we never play. Maybe I'll have a different opinion if we really start playing every team every other year, I think that will build a lot more cohesion in the Conference.

If you want my honest opinion, I'll tell you that I think Georgia played one good team this year in Tennessee. USC was still figuring things out when they played Georgia, and Georgia was lucky to escape Missouri. Put Georgia up against a red hot USCw or tOSU with a huge grudge and you never know what will happen. Put them up against a battle tested unbeaten Michigan or TCU and it's close to a tossup. I'd say Georgia has a 35-40% chance overall of winning the Title, assuming they avoid injury and take care of business this weekend.

Georgia played down to the competition. They had 2 big games and 2 big rivalries:
Oregon 49-3
Tennessee 27-13 (and it wasn't that close)
Auburn 42-10
Florida 42-20

They looked mediocre against Samford 33-0 (BTW, Samford's only loss so far), Kent St. 39-22, Missouri 26-22 and Kentucky 16-6. The rest they rolled, USCe 48-7, Vandy 55-0, MSU 45-19 and Georgia Tech (after a slow start) 37-14.

I think they roll through the CFP easily.

Don't get me wrong, Georgia is clearly the best team, but they're not so much better than everyone else that they can't slip up. We've all seen years when the best or even 2nd best team didn't win b/c someone in the playoff got hot at the right time. Heck, I can think of a couple years when a team that couldn't win the SEC won the National Title.

(11-29-2022 08:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:10 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Alabama being 10-2 is the biggest reason for the perception the SEC is down but they aren't the only reason.

Auburn and Texas A&M are below .500.
Florida is .500.

I thought the SEC was poorer last season. They had everyone other than Vandy bowl eligible but Auburn, Florida, and LSU were all 6-6 (UF was 2-6 in the SEC) and Alabama, while 11-1, struggled to beat many of these teams. It wasn't until the Playoff that Georgia and Alabama flexed their muscles and proved me wrong. At least this season LSU was doing well for most of the season and Tennessee as well before Hooker got hurt. If LSU and Tennessee hadn't tailed off late, the SEC would look a lot stronger and Alabama's losses would have looked better. It hurt that Georgia didn't play either LSU (yet) or Alabama and had Tennessee at home.

I would say that the one difference between this year and some previous years is Tennessee's loss to USC. Take that one game away and we have a clear cut 2nd playoff team. Or, just have Tennessee also lose to Bama. Or have A&M lose to LSU. Lot's of things could have gone differently this year for the SEC, but when there are so many good programs and good teams you'll have a lot of years like this.

I don't think that TN at 11-1 is a "clear cut" playoff team this year. In a chalk weekend, I think USC could still have jumped TN, and if someone falters, the Ohio S vs TN debate would be huge. TN's loss to Georgia was "not as bad" (points wise) as Ohio States to Michigan, but it would be a debate. If it was pick two of TN, Ohio State, and TCU, I think they might get in, since none of those have championships.

(11-30-2022 12:43 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:44 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:10 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Alabama being 10-2 is the biggest reason for the perception the SEC is down but they aren't the only reason.

Auburn and Texas A&M are below .500.
Florida is .500.

I thought the SEC was poorer last season. They had everyone other than Vandy bowl eligible but Auburn, Florida, and LSU were all 6-6 (UF was 2-6 in the SEC) and Alabama, while 11-1, struggled to beat many of these teams. It wasn't until the Playoff that Georgia and Alabama flexed their muscles and proved me wrong. At least this season LSU was doing well for most of the season and Tennessee as well before Hooker got hurt. If LSU and Tennessee hadn't tailed off late, the SEC would look a lot stronger and Alabama's losses would have looked better. It hurt that Georgia didn't play either LSU (yet) or Alabama and had Tennessee at home.

I would say that the one difference between this year and some previous years is Tennessee's loss to USC. Take that one game away and we have a clear cut 2nd playoff team. Or, just have Tennessee also lose to Bama. Or have A&M lose to LSU. Lot's of things could have gone differently this year for the SEC, but when there are so many good programs and good teams you'll have a lot of years like this.

Every conference this year or past years can say the same thing, change one result and we'd have an extra Playoff team (or in some cases A Playoff team). The Big Ten has NEVER had two Playoff teams in the same year. How many times has the SEC? More than any other conference. Only the ACC has ever had more than one in the same year and that's because Notre Dame was a full member during the pandemic year. How many times has the SEC been shut out of the Playoff? The Big Ten's been shut out twice (at the expense of TWO SEC teams in 2017). I'm not going to cry for the SEC not getting two Playoff teams this year, especially since Georgia's probably going to win it. We saw what happened last year when Georgia played Michigan. You're lucky Michigan beat Ohio State because if Georgia played Ohio State it would be a tougher game. Wilkes University has a better chance of beating Georgia than Michigan does. Georgia Tech has a better chance of beating Georgia than Michigan does (ok too far!)

Well they effectively are getting two teams in this year with Michigan and then either USC or Ohio St.

Lol! Now that’s the type of stretch reasoning I’d expect from a politician!

(11-30-2022 01:26 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:10 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Alabama being 10-2 is the biggest reason for the perception the SEC is down but they aren't the only reason.

Auburn and Texas A&M are below .500.
Florida is .500.

I thought the SEC was poorer last season. They had everyone other than Vandy bowl eligible but Auburn, Florida, and LSU were all 6-6 (UF was 2-6 in the SEC) and Alabama, while 11-1, struggled to beat many of these teams. It wasn't until the Playoff that Georgia and Alabama flexed their muscles and proved me wrong. At least this season LSU was doing well for most of the season and Tennessee as well before Hooker got hurt. If LSU and Tennessee hadn't tailed off late, the SEC would look a lot stronger and Alabama's losses would have looked better. It hurt that Georgia didn't play either LSU (yet) or Alabama and had Tennessee at home.

I would say that the one difference between this year and some previous years is Tennessee's loss to USC. Take that one game away and we have a clear cut 2nd playoff team. Or, just have Tennessee also lose to Bama. Or have A&M lose to LSU. Lot's of things could have gone differently this year for the SEC, but when there are so many good programs and good teams you'll have a lot of years like this.

I don't think that TN at 11-1 is a "clear cut" playoff team this year. In a chalk weekend, I think USC could still have jumped TN, and if someone falters, the Ohio S vs TN debate would be huge. TN's loss to Georgia was "not as bad" (points wise) as Ohio States to Michigan, but it would be a debate. If it was pick two of TN, Ohio State, and TCU, I think they might get in, since none of those have championships.

1 loss TN would have been a lock at #4. Either they beat Georgia so now have 2 top 10 wins, or they beat USC and avoid that 25 point shellacking, with their 1 loss to the consensus #1 team. There's no way that USC with their soft schedule could have done enough against Utah to surpass that.

Georgia is the #1 team in the country, favored to win the playoff. Alabama is #6, Tennessee is on the rise. This is a year with a lot of good teams that beat each other up. That's not a down year.

(11-30-2022 02:19 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 12:43 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:44 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:10 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Alabama being 10-2 is the biggest reason for the perception the SEC is down but they aren't the only reason.

Auburn and Texas A&M are below .500.
Florida is .500.

I thought the SEC was poorer last season. They had everyone other than Vandy bowl eligible but Auburn, Florida, and LSU were all 6-6 (UF was 2-6 in the SEC) and Alabama, while 11-1, struggled to beat many of these teams. It wasn't until the Playoff that Georgia and Alabama flexed their muscles and proved me wrong. At least this season LSU was doing well for most of the season and Tennessee as well before Hooker got hurt. If LSU and Tennessee hadn't tailed off late, the SEC would look a lot stronger and Alabama's losses would have looked better. It hurt that Georgia didn't play either LSU (yet) or Alabama and had Tennessee at home.

I would say that the one difference between this year and some previous years is Tennessee's loss to USC. Take that one game away and we have a clear cut 2nd playoff team. Or, just have Tennessee also lose to Bama. Or have A&M lose to LSU. Lot's of things could have gone differently this year for the SEC, but when there are so many good programs and good teams you'll have a lot of years like this.

Every conference this year or past years can say the same thing, change one result and we'd have an extra Playoff team (or in some cases A Playoff team). The Big Ten has NEVER had two Playoff teams in the same year. How many times has the SEC? More than any other conference. Only the ACC has ever had more than one in the same year and that's because Notre Dame was a full member during the pandemic year. How many times has the SEC been shut out of the Playoff? The Big Ten's been shut out twice (at the expense of TWO SEC teams in 2017). I'm not going to cry for the SEC not getting two Playoff teams this year, especially since Georgia's probably going to win it. We saw what happened last year when Georgia played Michigan. You're lucky Michigan beat Ohio State because if Georgia played Ohio State it would be a tougher game. Wilkes University has a better chance of beating Georgia than Michigan does. Georgia Tech has a better chance of beating Georgia than Michigan does (ok too far!)

Well they effectively are getting two teams in this year with Michigan and then either USC or Ohio St.

Lol! Now that’s the type of stretch reasoning I’d expect from a politician!

lmao just talking about how it sets up for the future. USC is about to turn into a perennial contender ad theyre fixing to move to the Big 10. If they make it this year its a positive for the Big 10 imo.

(11-30-2022 12:39 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  The SEC isn't down. Bama is down which I think for a lot of people translates to the SEC being down. The league also doesn't have a 2nd team deserving of making the playoffs, but the league as a whole was very strong and Georgia is the obvious betting favorite to win the natty.

That’s reasonable. I saw much decent parity.

(11-30-2022 08:20 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 02:19 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 12:43 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:44 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  I would say that the one difference between this year and some previous years is Tennessee's loss to USC. Take that one game away and we have a clear cut 2nd playoff team. Or, just have Tennessee also lose to Bama. Or have A&M lose to LSU. Lot's of things could have gone differently this year for the SEC, but when there are so many good programs and good teams you'll have a lot of years like this.

Every conference this year or past years can say the same thing, change one result and we'd have an extra Playoff team (or in some cases A Playoff team). The Big Ten has NEVER had two Playoff teams in the same year. How many times has the SEC? More than any other conference. Only the ACC has ever had more than one in the same year and that's because Notre Dame was a full member during the pandemic year. How many times has the SEC been shut out of the Playoff? The Big Ten's been shut out twice (at the expense of TWO SEC teams in 2017). I'm not going to cry for the SEC not getting two Playoff teams this year, especially since Georgia's probably going to win it. We saw what happened last year when Georgia played Michigan. You're lucky Michigan beat Ohio State because if Georgia played Ohio State it would be a tougher game. Wilkes University has a better chance of beating Georgia than Michigan does. Georgia Tech has a better chance of beating Georgia than Michigan does (ok too far!)

Well they effectively are getting two teams in this year with Michigan and then either USC or Ohio St.

Lol! Now that’s the type of stretch reasoning I’d expect from a politician!

lmao just talking about how it sets up for the future. USC is about to turn into a perennial contender ad theyre fixing to move to the Big 10. If they make it this year its a positive for the Big 10 imo.

USC will be looking for a new coach in a few years. Riley looks really smart when he can out talent everyone, but the Pac is improving and so is the B1G. Riley got out of OU just in time, they were going to struggle with or without him this year.

(11-30-2022 09:44 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 08:20 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 02:19 PM)wleakr Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 12:43 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 08:44 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Every conference this year or past years can say the same thing, change one result and we'd have an extra Playoff team (or in some cases A Playoff team). The Big Ten has NEVER had two Playoff teams in the same year. How many times has the SEC? More than any other conference. Only the ACC has ever had more than one in the same year and that's because Notre Dame was a full member during the pandemic year. How many times has the SEC been shut out of the Playoff? The Big Ten's been shut out twice (at the expense of TWO SEC teams in 2017). I'm not going to cry for the SEC not getting two Playoff teams this year, especially since Georgia's probably going to win it. We saw what happened last year when Georgia played Michigan. You're lucky Michigan beat Ohio State because if Georgia played Ohio State it would be a tougher game. Wilkes University has a better chance of beating Georgia than Michigan does. Georgia Tech has a better chance of beating Georgia than Michigan does (ok too far!)

Well they effectively are getting two teams in this year with Michigan and then either USC or Ohio St.

Lol! Now that’s the type of stretch reasoning I’d expect from a politician!

lmao just talking about how it sets up for the future. USC is about to turn into a perennial contender ad theyre fixing to move to the Big 10. If they make it this year its a positive for the Big 10 imo.

USC will be looking for a new coach in a few years. Riley looks really smart when he can out talent everyone, but the Pac is improving and so is the B1G. Riley got out of OU just in time, they were going to struggle with or without him this year.

Clown take. Riley took USC from 4-8 to 11-1 in his first season at USC. Give him a couple more years to up their talent and the end result is going to be scary. It's going to be OU with even better athletes. Only thing he's going to be looking for in a couple years is a raise.

(11-30-2022 09:44 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  USC will be looking for a new coach in a few years. Riley looks really smart when he can out talent everyone, but the Pac is improving and so is the B1G. Riley got out of OU just in time, they were going to struggle with or without him this year.

Why don't you think he'll be able to out-talent the Big Ten? You saw what Pete Carrol did while recruiting there.

Even by your own logic, if he can get talent comparable to Michigan and Ohio State, he'll be winning 10 games every year for the foreseeable future. If he can get better talent, USC will be a perennial contender.