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What I'd rather see is a guy who is building the trajectory of success and sustaining it. I admit, I don't follow Iowa St but they sure have fallen off since the 9-3 season. Campbell seems like a "safe, comfy" pick but I think we can do better.

You see what he did at Iowa State and see it as his ceiling. I see it, and view it as his floor (worst case scenario) at UC.

Such is the nature of differing views in a coaching search.

In real life you don't hire a national sales manager who won president's club a couple years back but now is on a performance plan for only selling 40% of quota the year you recruit him to a higher salary.

Could it work? Sure. Could the product he was selling before have issues? Absolutely. You can't hire on a dose of hopium. Current performance matters.
 
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What I'd rather see is a guy who is building the trajectory of success and sustaining it. I admit, I don't follow Iowa St but they sure have fallen off since the 9-3 season. Campbell seems like a "safe, comfy" pick but I think we can do better.

You see what he did at Iowa State and see it as his ceiling. I see it, and view it as his floor (worst case scenario) at UC.

Such is the nature of differing views in a coaching search.

Bolded, that's what makes these threads fun. With no disrespect to Coach Fickell, one has to wonder what his record at Iowa State would have been over the past six years? Facing TX and OK on a steady diet, along with regularly capable foes in KSU, Baylor, OK State, etc., would seemingly have made nine and ten (+) win seasons a more daunting challenge. So to me, Campbell is a very credible candidate, whether selected or not.
 
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What I'd rather see is a guy who is building the trajectory of success and sustaining it. I admit, I don't follow Iowa St but they sure have fallen off since the 9-3 season. Campbell seems like a "safe, comfy" pick but I think we can do better.

You see what he did at Iowa State and see it as his ceiling. I see it, and view it as his floor (worst case scenario) at UC.

Such is the nature of differing views in a coaching search.

I'd be completely in favor of Matt Campbell, who's arguably the most successful head coach at Iowa State in the last 50 years. Seriously, he's the only head coach since Earle Bruce in the 1970's to post a winning record over their tenure in Ames; that's how hard that job is.

I mean, Iowa State averaged a hair over 4 wins per season in the 30 years prior to Campbell taking the job. During his time there Iowa State averaged 7 wins per season before being rife with injuries this season, including the only top 10 finish in school history. I don't think people realize how difficult of a job Iowa State is (you have to convince recruits to play in AMES, IOWA for goodness sake) and appreciate the kind of success Campbell has had there.

Get Campbell back in his home state, give him the same resources he had at Iowa State, which he will once UC is in the Big 12, allow him to focus on the same 100-mile radius Fickell did, convince players that they can come to a large city with lots of things to do, show them this rabid fanbase and the IPF renderings and make that transition to the Big 12 all the smoother.
 
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(11-29-2022 09:39 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  ^^^^
What I'd rather see is a guy who is building the trajectory of success and sustaining it. I admit, I don't follow Iowa St but they sure have fallen off since the 9-3 season. Campbell seems like a "safe, comfy" pick but I think we can do better.

You see what he did at Iowa State and see it as his ceiling. I see it, and view it as his floor (worst case scenario) at UC.

Such is the nature of differing views in a coaching search.

I'd be completely in favor of Matt Campbell, who's arguably the most successful head coach at Iowa State in the last 50 years. Seriously, he's the only head coach since Earle Bruce in the 1970's to post a winning record over their tenure in Ames; that's how hard that job is.

I mean, Iowa State averaged a hair over 4 wins per season in the 30 years prior to Campbell taking the job. During his time there Iowa State averaged 7 wins per season before being rife with injuries this season, including the only top 10 finish in school history. I don't think people realize how difficult of a job Iowa State is (you have to convince recruits to play in AMES, IOWA for goodness sake) and appreciate the kind of success Campbell has had there.

Get Campbell back in his home state, give him the same resources he had at Iowa State, which he will once UC is in the Big 12, allow him to focus on the same 100-mile radius Fickell did, convince players that they can come to a large city with lots of things to do, show them this rabid fanbase and the IPF renderings and make that transition to the Big 12 all the smoother.

Great stuff. Yea, that's what I'm talking about. It's so weird to me that people look at every job as if its the same. Degree of difficulty is something we should really look at when evaluating coaches.
 
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(11-29-2022 09:53 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  You see what he did at Iowa State and see it as his ceiling. I see it, and view it as his floor (worst case scenario) at UC.

Such is the nature of differing views in a coaching search.

I agree. At the very least, the amount of talent in the region is much higher, so recruiting would almost certainly be easier for him at Cincinnati.

There's no debate that UC is a much better job than ISU.

On paper, he's probably the best realistic candidate put on everybody's wish list.
 
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(11-29-2022 10:43 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
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(11-29-2022 09:53 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-29-2022 09:39 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  ^^^^
What I'd rather see is a guy who is building the trajectory of success and sustaining it. I admit, I don't follow Iowa St but they sure have fallen off since the 9-3 season. Campbell seems like a "safe, comfy" pick but I think we can do better.

You see what he did at Iowa State and see it as his ceiling. I see it, and view it as his floor (worst case scenario) at UC.

Such is the nature of differing views in a coaching search.

I'd be completely in favor of Matt Campbell, who's arguably the most successful head coach at Iowa State in the last 50 years. Seriously, he's the only head coach since Earle Bruce in the 1970's to post a winning record over their tenure in Ames; that's how hard that job is.

I mean, Iowa State averaged a hair over 4 wins per season in the 30 years prior to Campbell taking the job. During his time there Iowa State averaged 7 wins per season before being rife with injuries this season, including the only top 10 finish in school history. I don't think people realize how difficult of a job Iowa State is (you have to convince recruits to play in AMES, IOWA for goodness sake) and appreciate the kind of success Campbell has had there.

Get Campbell back in his home state, give him the same resources he had at Iowa State, which he will once UC is in the Big 12, allow him to focus on the same 100-mile radius Fickell did, convince players that they can come to a large city with lots of things to do, show them this rabid fanbase and the IPF renderings and make that transition to the Big 12 all the smoother.

Great stuff. Yea, that's what I'm talking about. It's so weird to me that people look at every job as if its the same. Degree of difficulty is something we should really look at when evaluating coaches.

Iowa State is basically like Vandy, Northwestern, IU, Wake Forest, Duke, Kansas, Oregon State, Temple, and Rutgers in terms of football history. A long history of losing with an occasional positive blip. Its overall win percentage is awful.

By the way Cincinnati is still way better than that above group. UC has an overall winning record.
 
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(11-29-2022 11:16 AM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  
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(11-29-2022 09:39 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  ^^^^
What I'd rather see is a guy who is building the trajectory of success and sustaining it. I admit, I don't follow Iowa St but they sure have fallen off since the 9-3 season. Campbell seems like a "safe, comfy" pick but I think we can do better.

You see what he did at Iowa State and see it as his ceiling. I see it, and view it as his floor (worst case scenario) at UC.

Such is the nature of differing views in a coaching search.

I'd be completely in favor of Matt Campbell, who's arguably the most successful head coach at Iowa State in the last 50 years. Seriously, he's the only head coach since Earle Bruce in the 1970's to post a winning record over their tenure in Ames; that's how hard that job is.

I mean, Iowa State averaged a hair over 4 wins per season in the 30 years prior to Campbell taking the job. During his time there Iowa State averaged 7 wins per season before being rife with injuries this season, including the only top 10 finish in school history. I don't think people realize how difficult of a job Iowa State is (you have to convince recruits to play in AMES, IOWA for goodness sake) and appreciate the kind of success Campbell has had there.

Get Campbell back in his home state, give him the same resources he had at Iowa State, which he will once UC is in the Big 12, allow him to focus on the same 100-mile radius Fickell did, convince players that they can come to a large city with lots of things to do, show them this rabid fanbase and the IPF renderings and make that transition to the Big 12 all the smoother.

Great stuff. Yea, that's what I'm talking about. It's so weird to me that people look at every job as if its the same. Degree of difficulty is something we should really look at when evaluating coaches.

Iowa State is basically like Vandy, Northwestern, IU, Wake Forest, Duke, Kansas, Oregon State, Temple, and Rutgers in terms of football history. A long history of losing with an occasional positive blip. Its overall win percentage is awful.

By the way Cincinnati is still way better than that above group. UC has an overall winning record.

And of those teams it has the worst Recruiting footprint other than Kansas and maybe Oregon State.
 
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This isn't a vote based on who i think we should get.. more who i am feeling like they might get based on the listed ones.

I'll put down Matt Campbell

I know fully well the search committee is reviewing our forum to see who we the Bearcat faithful plan on picking, so vote carefully.
 
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So why hasn't Matt jumped to a better program than staying at Iowa St for seven seasons? If he's done such a great job as some of you say there have been other openings at better programs since he took the helm in Ames. His name has come up numerous times over the years. Maybe other programs have evaluated him and came to the conclusion he isn't an upgrade. FWIW, he makes $3.4M currently. 46-42 overall. Proceed with extreme caution folks.
 
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Golesh seems like the most Cunningham hire. I think Campbell will be involved because his agent puts his name into every coaching search under the sun. I'm not sold on Campbell at all but do respect the idea that Ames, Iowa is a tough place to win. He's young and ambitious and will likely see this as a 3-4 year gig to restart the interest NFL teams had. Doubt it ends like Tuberville.

I see Deion as more of a Penny hire, but as I said on the other board, I actually never hated the Penny hire and think Deion is even more qualified.
 
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Switching my vote to Golesh
 
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To be clear, when I reference Tuberville it isn't so much Campbell coming here to play golf and retire. The Rambler came from Texas Tech and was 20-17 overall with one bowl appearance. He was a coach with a known name and was a "safe" pick at the time. That's where I see similarities.
 
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(11-29-2022 11:44 AM)BearcatDave Wrote:  Switching my vote to Golesh

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(11-29-2022 11:38 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So why hasn't Matt jumped to a better program than staying at Iowa St for seven seasons? If he's done such a great job as some of you say there have been other openings at better programs since he took the helm in Ames. His name has come up numerous times over the years. Maybe other programs have evaluated him and came to the conclusion he isn't an upgrade. FWIW, he makes $3.4M currently. 46-42 overall. Proceed with extreme caution folks.

Right job not available at the right time. The Big jobs last year took bigger swings than usual. LSU went and got BK. USC went and got Lincoln Riley. Oklahoma lured their former DC who had been turning down big jobs for years.

Probably was waiting for a really big job or a job bigger than Iowa State that was a good really good fit for him. Not every coach takes the first ride out of town.
 
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(11-29-2022 11:51 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  To be clear, when I reference Tuberville it isn't so much Campbell coming here to play golf and retire. The Rambler came from Texas Tech and was 20-17 overall with one bowl appearance. He was a coach with a known name and was a "safe" pick at the time. That's where I see similarities.

I see "safe". But I see "safe" without sacrificing upside potential.
 
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(11-29-2022 11:38 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  So why hasn't Matt jumped to a better program than staying at Iowa St for seven seasons? If he's done such a great job as some of you say there have been other openings at better programs since he took the helm in Ames. His name has come up numerous times over the years. Maybe other programs have evaluated him and came to the conclusion he isn't an upgrade. FWIW, he makes $3.4M currently. 46-42 overall. Proceed with extreme caution folks.

I know he's been linked to numerous jobs over the years, in a similar manner as Fickell, but I'm not close enough to the program to know if there was truly mutual interest between those big name schools and Campbell himself. It could be that, like with Fickell, he had a good thing going at Iowa State and was holding out for that "perfect" job. It could be for any number of reasons but you'd hope that comes out in Cunningham's vetting process.
 
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He's young, has had some success in nowhere land jobs, and probably has a super agent putting his name into every coaching search under the sun to further drive the brand.
 
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It's all speculation and spitballin' only. My point is Campbell is not a slam dunk hire and has some questions that need answered even if, IF, he or the AD are interested in the other. The advantage that we have is we're not stuck in the AAC so I would hope our candidate pool has quality targets making the decision difficult for Cunningham. My prediction is it won't be Campbell.
 
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(11-29-2022 12:47 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  It's all speculation and spitballin' only. My point is Campbell is not a slam dunk hire and has some questions that need answered even if, IF, he or the AD are interested in the other. The advantage that we have is we're not stuck in the AAC so I would hope our candidate pool has quality targets making the decision difficult for Cunningham. My prediction is it won't be Campbell.

Labeling Campbell "not a slam dunk" is basically describing every candidate.

Prime time has won a ton of games at Jackson State and is a huge name who'd attract recruits and big money to the program but he's only been a head coach for a couple of years, it's only been at the FCS level, and it's unclear if he just stacked the deck in his favor at a small school or if he's truly the next Nick Saban in terms of coaching ability.

Hartline is an excellent recruiter and hot name among up-and-coming assistants but he's never been an offensive coordinator and has only been in the coaching world at the collegiate level for a few years.

Minter had an excellent season at Michigan but, like with Hartline, his resume and experience at the collegiate level are lacking.

Urban has a great resume and would certainly bring in great coaches to work underneath him but you wonder if the shenanigans over the last couple of years are an indication that his head isn't fully in the game anymore.

Herman had a great run at Houston and put up a pretty good record at Texas despite their otherworldly expectations but who knows if his head is on straight and if he's cleaned up his off-field stuff having been out of the spotlight for a few years.

There's not a candidate in the world that's a slam dunk. They all come with their own blend of value and risk.
 
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(11-29-2022 11:16 AM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  
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What I'd rather see is a guy who is building the trajectory of success and sustaining it. I admit, I don't follow Iowa St but they sure have fallen off since the 9-3 season. Campbell seems like a "safe, comfy" pick but I think we can do better.

You see what he did at Iowa State and see it as his ceiling. I see it, and view it as his floor (worst case scenario) at UC.

Such is the nature of differing views in a coaching search.

I'd be completely in favor of Matt Campbell, who's arguably the most successful head coach at Iowa State in the last 50 years. Seriously, he's the only head coach since Earle Bruce in the 1970's to post a winning record over their tenure in Ames; that's how hard that job is.

I mean, Iowa State averaged a hair over 4 wins per season in the 30 years prior to Campbell taking the job. During his time there Iowa State averaged 7 wins per season before being rife with injuries this season, including the only top 10 finish in school history. I don't think people realize how difficult of a job Iowa State is (you have to convince recruits to play in AMES, IOWA for goodness sake) and appreciate the kind of success Campbell has had there.

Get Campbell back in his home state, give him the same resources he had at Iowa State, which he will once UC is in the Big 12, allow him to focus on the same 100-mile radius Fickell did, convince players that they can come to a large city with lots of things to do, show them this rabid fanbase and the IPF renderings and make that transition to the Big 12 all the smoother.

Great stuff. Yea, that's what I'm talking about. It's so weird to me that people look at every job as if its the same. Degree of difficulty is something we should really look at when evaluating coaches.

Iowa State is basically like Vandy, Northwestern, IU, Wake Forest, Duke, Kansas, Oregon State, Temple, and Rutgers in terms of football history. A long history of losing with an occasional positive blip. Its overall win percentage is awful.

By the way Cincinnati is still way better than that above group. UC has an overall winning record.

Be careful. Cincy was playing in AAC. We might be on the same level once stepping into B12. Agree more upside here, but P5 football week in and week out is going to be new for us. Job 1 in my view is to hold onto as many recruits as possible and we may not have to rebuild as much as we think. Prime is top candidate to hold recruits and potentially expand on current class.
 
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