(02-01-2023 02:18 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 01:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:49 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:42 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:11 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  It sounds like JMU is doing everything right ..no asterisks...no special treatment yet ..just looking for the one waiver.

Even if we all get to skip a year, proud of JMU for not doing it the Softie way

To me, this is like getting 2 years' worth of credits in 1 year (with a lot of AP tests), and getting your diploma at an appropriate time, which is just less time than most people. JMU meets all the goals of having had 2 years of transition, and did so in one year.

That's a good analogy... Softies and JSU will not have put in the work...not gonna lie, I'm absolutely rooting for a JMU approval only

We should just schedule them. A 50-point ass-whippin' will answer any and all questions.

Only if that counts as one of our FBS home games. Or I spose we could go to them and get paid.

No way! Under no circumstances should JMU EVER return to that miserable excuse for a college. Having them come to the burg and refusing to come out of the locker room after halftime would be sweet, though. I think we would be ahead by three digits at the half.

Some teams ignite something mean in Cig. Coastal is one of them. Likewise, the Bearpussies.

(02-02-2023 09:21 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  We were discussing the poster’s proposed rule, not the one that’s on the books.

I don't think the OP was advocating a new rule, but rather confused about the rule that was already on the books.

Maybe. But that’s not how their words read.

(02-02-2023 07:52 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Maybe. But that’s not how their words read.

Ok.
On another note I believe I was wrong about the July 1 date.

Quote:The rule is if you announce before (believe its July 1), you are ineligible for that upcoming seasons playoffs as long as remain no more than 63 schollies.. Announce on/after July 1, you can still compete in that upcoming season’s playoffs.

JMU didn’t announce till early Nov, so were good to go.

From what I was able to dig up, its June 1 (or at least it was).

2012:
-GST announced in April were moving up. Were ineligible for FCS playoffs (didn’t matter because they sucked).
-ODuh didn’t officially (give written notice to the NCAA) that they were moving up to C-USA until after June 1, so were eligible for the 2012 playoffs.

In 2013:
ASU & GSU announced in March were moving up.
Both were ineligible for the 2013 playoffs.

Anyone disagree with the current rules on that? They have to have the cutoff at some point.

(02-01-2023 07:04 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 06:37 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Yeah I sure hope we never play at SHSU again unless of course there are drastic changes there that none of us are expecting... As it is, playing there is way, way, way beneath us. I'd be cool with paying them to come take another 60 point beatdown though.

Have a feeling a lot of schools feel that way, and will take the easy FBS win at home. They won't struggle to get away games.

I'd prefer to schedule a little stronger than that to help SOS and CFP odds. Scheduling weak is the liberty path now.

I only raised that notion as kind of a joke. I mean, SHSU's schedule is terribly weak, and I love the idea of them languishing as some kind of FBS flop. That said, if they want to pay us a bunch of money to come beat up on them, that's always worth listening to.

(02-06-2023 04:49 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 07:04 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 06:37 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Yeah I sure hope we never play at SHSU again unless of course there are drastic changes there that none of us are expecting... As it is, playing there is way, way, way beneath us. I'd be cool with paying them to come take another 60 point beatdown though.

Have a feeling a lot of schools feel that way, and will take the easy FBS win at home. They won't struggle to get away games.

I'd prefer to schedule a little stronger than that to help SOS and CFP odds. Scheduling weak is the liberty path now.

I only raised that notion as kind of a joke. I mean, SHSU's schedule is terribly weak, and I love the idea of them languishing as some kind of FBS flop. That said, if they want to pay us a bunch of money to come beat up on them, that's always worth listening to.

Ugh. No. Agreeing to play SHSU on their field would be beneath JMU at any price.

Like you, I hope SHSU flounders as an FBS program, and so far it looks like they’re off to an even weaker start than UMass.

(02-06-2023 06:30 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(02-06-2023 04:49 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 07:04 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 06:37 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Yeah I sure hope we never play at SHSU again unless of course there are drastic changes there that none of us are expecting... As it is, playing there is way, way, way beneath us. I'd be cool with paying them to come take another 60 point beatdown though.

Have a feeling a lot of schools feel that way, and will take the easy FBS win at home. They won't struggle to get away games.

I'd prefer to schedule a little stronger than that to help SOS and CFP odds. Scheduling weak is the liberty path now.

I only raised that notion as kind of a joke. I mean, SHSU's schedule is terribly weak, and I love the idea of them languishing as some kind of FBS flop. That said, if they want to pay us a bunch of money to come beat up on them, that's always worth listening to.

Ugh. No. Agreeing to play SHSU on their field would be beneath JMU at any price.

Like you, I hope SHSU flounders as an FBS program, and so far it looks like they’re off to an even weaker start than UMass.

Yup, there's a reason many MTSU fans were pissed about their deal with us even with the huge payout, and it wasn't just losing out on the Mizzou game that was already a done deal and over with. They felt it was beneath them to go on the road for a payday game at a first year FBS team. They're wrong because that first year FBS team was JMU, but JMU playing at SHSU for a payday game or even one for one truly is beneath us.

(02-07-2023 12:44 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(02-06-2023 06:30 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(02-06-2023 04:49 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 07:04 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 06:37 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Yeah I sure hope we never play at SHSU again unless of course there are drastic changes there that none of us are expecting... As it is, playing there is way, way, way beneath us. I'd be cool with paying them to come take another 60 point beatdown though.

Have a feeling a lot of schools feel that way, and will take the easy FBS win at home. They won't struggle to get away games.

I'd prefer to schedule a little stronger than that to help SOS and CFP odds. Scheduling weak is the liberty path now.

I only raised that notion as kind of a joke. I mean, SHSU's schedule is terribly weak, and I love the idea of them languishing as some kind of FBS flop. That said, if they want to pay us a bunch of money to come beat up on them, that's always worth listening to.

Ugh. No. Agreeing to play SHSU on their field would be beneath JMU at any price.

Like you, I hope SHSU flounders as an FBS program, and so far it looks like they’re off to an even weaker start than UMass.

Yup, there's a reason many MTSU fans were pissed about their deal with us even with the huge payout, and it wasn't just losing out on the Mizzou game that was already a done deal and over with. They felt it was beneath them to go on the road for a payday game at a first year FBS team. They're wrong because that first year FBS team was JMU, but JMU playing at SHSU for a payday game or even one for one truly is beneath us.

Most MTSU fans really had no idea about us. We were far more prepared for the move up than they expected.
SHSU on the other hand has zero business moving up. We know all about them and they are beneath us. They are moving up out of desperation and don't have the infrastructure right now to be worthy of FBS. There is no reason to go down there until they actually have the facilities and support to be FBS.
CUSA is truly watering down their conference and FBS by bringing in schools that really aren't ready.

(02-02-2023 10:37 AM)Purple Wrote:  

(02-01-2023 02:18 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 01:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:49 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:42 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  To me, this is like getting 2 years' worth of credits in 1 year (with a lot of AP tests), and getting your diploma at an appropriate time, which is just less time than most people. JMU meets all the goals of having had 2 years of transition, and did so in one year.

That's a good analogy... Softies and JSU will not have put in the work...not gonna lie, I'm absolutely rooting for a JMU approval only

We should just schedule them. A 50-point ass-whippin' will answer any and all questions.

Only if that counts as one of our FBS home games. Or I spose we could go to them and get paid.

No way! Under no circumstances should JMU EVER return to that miserable excuse for a college. Having them come to the burg and refusing to come out of the locker room after halftime would be sweet, though. I think we would be ahead by three digits at the half.

Some teams ignite something mean in Cig. Coastal is one of them. Likewise, the Bearpussies.

Should we allow them to use one of our locker rooms? Maybe we should just set up a tent for them over on Hillside...

(02-08-2023 12:02 AM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  Should we allow them to use one of our locker rooms? Maybe we should just set up a tent for them over on Hillside...

I’m down with that, they had us in a makeshift locker room setup in the sweltering heat. Let’s get them end of the season when it’s cold, give them a makeshift locker room with no heat and the porta potty’s and tell them things are under construction at the moment.

(02-08-2023 07:54 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 12:02 AM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  Should we allow them to use one of our locker rooms? Maybe we should just set up a tent for them over on Hillside...

I’m down with that, they had us in a makeshift locker room setup in the sweltering heat. Let’s get them end of the season when it’s cold, give them a makeshift locker room with no heat and the porta potty’s and tell them things are under construction at the moment.

The worst part was the NCAA let that happen. They had to know that SHSU's facility was not acceptable. Of course, this is the same NCAA that allowed Sammy to move to FBS when they are woefully unprepared. They have neither the fanbase or facilities to meet even the bare minimum of FBS "requirements". It's a slap in the face to the programs that have worked hard and prepared for the move. I hope the Softies encounter huge problems with their move.

when we renovate and expand BFS the softies can come up once the student grandstands and locker rooms have been demolished, except the temporary locker room "wasn't ready in time"

(02-08-2023 10:20 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 07:54 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 12:02 AM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  Should we allow them to use one of our locker rooms? Maybe we should just set up a tent for them over on Hillside...

I’m down with that, they had us in a makeshift locker room setup in the sweltering heat. Let’s get them end of the season when it’s cold, give them a makeshift locker room with no heat and the porta potty’s and tell them things are under construction at the moment.

The worst part was the NCAA let that happen. They had to know that SHSU's facility was not acceptable. Of course, this is the same NCAA that allowed Sammy to move to FBS when they are woefully unprepared. They have neither the fanbase or facilities to meet even the bare minimum of FBS "requirements". It's a slap in the face to the programs that have worked hard and prepared for the move. I hope the Softies encounter huge problems with their move.

Heck, that locker room tent wasn't even up to FCS playoff hosting standards, somehow they got an exception granted on that. Should have never happened, but I guess the committee didn't want them to go on the road with that bogus spring season seed. I blame the CAA and the way they refused to play us and then "voted" for conference champ for the whole travesty. Thank goodness we're out of that crap show.

(02-08-2023 01:34 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 10:20 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 07:54 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(02-08-2023 12:02 AM)NH/JMU Saxkow Wrote:  Should we allow them to use one of our locker rooms? Maybe we should just set up a tent for them over on Hillside...

I’m down with that, they had us in a makeshift locker room setup in the sweltering heat. Let’s get them end of the season when it’s cold, give them a makeshift locker room with no heat and the porta potty’s and tell them things are under construction at the moment.

The worst part was the NCAA let that happen. They had to know that SHSU's facility was not acceptable. Of course, this is the same NCAA that allowed Sammy to move to FBS when they are woefully unprepared. They have neither the fanbase or facilities to meet even the bare minimum of FBS "requirements". It's a slap in the face to the programs that have worked hard and prepared for the move. I hope the Softies encounter huge problems with their move.

Heck, that locker room tent wasn't even up to FCS playoff hosting standards, somehow they got an exception granted on that. Should have never happened, but I guess the committee didn't want them to go on the road with that bogus spring season seed. I blame the CAA and the way they refused to play us and then "voted" for conference champ for the whole travesty. Thank goodness we're out of that crap show.

Exactly! Just my opinion, but poor seeding causing us to go on the road twice assisted with our Ls, that game and the road trip to the Fargo Dump and their shady clock management.

I think the biggest thing that season was just the inability to play a normal schedule and practice normally. Those are the things that separate the good, well coached, battle tested teams. Take those out and you bring the best down closer to the pack.

(11-28-2022 01:24 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  no more games, so never too early to "look ahead"

here's the roster for next year as currently stands. I'm sure there are guys on the roster who will step up next year, especially some frosh that redshirted this year, but i'll do this strictly based upon guys who saw the field pretty regularly this year and are, portal notwithstanding, expected back

You assume most of the '23 freshmen are not ready and will redshirt, while some of the current redshirts will be ready and step into active roles.
So the holes on the gameday playing roster I see that needs filling, whether thru the portal or guys stepping up, are:

QB (competent backup), RB, WR (biggest need!), TE, CB and DL.

we are absolutely stacked on the OL, LB and S....with good 2 deep on DL, but always need a lot of guys there to keep them fresh and wrecking havoc.

Returning roster, not including incoming freshmen or guys on current roster who either redshirted or didn't play meaningful minutes:

QB - McCLoud (Jr), Barnett (So), Atkins (So) - need solid backup

RB - Black (So), Palmer (Sr), Van Horse (Sr), Knight (So) - need depth

WR - Brown (Sr), Sproles (Sr), ???? next up are Harris/Lewis/James/Mines (all So's). def need help here

TE - Horton (Jr), backups all unproven. We ran lots of 2TE sets this season. Could use help unless offense changes up and sticks with 1TE.

OL - Wyatt (Jr), Kidwell (Sr), Morris (Jr), Potts (Jr), Stephens (Jr), Toner (So), Adair (Jr) - the OL was so good this year, it's crazy to think top 7 is back and 6/7 for two more years!

DL - Kamara (So - future legend), Okonji (Sr), Kromah (Sr), Green (Sr), Carpenter (Jr), Johns (Jr), Funk (Jr) - top 5 guys all outstanding and played tons this year. Need depth and guys for future.

LB - Walker (Jr), Jones (Jr), Naotala (Jr), Hendrick (So), Fisher (So), Ayamel (Jr), Martin (Jr) - W and J stepped up in an area of need this season. Depth looks good, but this is such a critical position, always good to bring in more talented guys

S/Rover - Reid (Sr), Remonenq (Sr), Saratt (Sr), Meehan (Sr), Chukwenke (Sr) - 5 seniors. all have played a ton of meaningful football. we should be set here

CB - Logan (So), Coles (Sr), Austin (So), Booth (So), Meredith (So)- trial by fire this year. They held up well. last two guys came from P5 programs and were highly touted, so hopefully they improve in Year 2. Very young position group, so couldn't hurt to grab an experienced portal guy here

Overall,

On offense, I think we need some WR's and TE's and probably another RB to get some deep depth. But if McCloud is as good as we think he will be, with our OL, we should be potent again

On D, we will be nasty again. Would love to see us grab another "Edwards" on the DL and an experienced corner, but the D overall looks pretty stout again.


edit for thread title -DN

Seems we left specialists out of the discussion. Wise is coming back and we have a recruit at kicker, and we have the Arkansas St. punter coming in.