There is not a best way to say goodbye, we fans just need to accept that.
Personally I rather have Fickell's goodbye than Tuberville's, which means our program is not in a bad shape.
We just need to continue support our school no matter who is the coach.
(12-09-2022 02:50 AM)gnn99d Wrote: There is not a best way to say goodbye, we fans just need to accept that.
Personally I rather have Fickell's goodbye than Tuberville's, which means our program is not in a bad shape.
We just need to continue support our school no matter who is the coach.
Yeah, I agree. Half-assing it 10 days later is probably not the way.
The way I see it is, Fick kind of got pushed into a corner. He's a loyal guy and a man of his word. He was losing recruits do to his NIL setup, and his coaching staff had become Mid-Mall. Instead of firing people he was loyal to and reneging on how he was going to handle NIL, he decided to start fresh. That's my speculation and nothing more. Good luck to him.
I'm excided for Satti Daddy. He already has the recruiting ball rolling. I'll be in the Lair next year, like always. Hopefully I see you guys around the stadium too.
(12-09-2022 02:50 AM)gnn99d Wrote: There is not a best way to say goodbye, we fans just need to accept that.
Personally I rather have Fickell's goodbye than Tuberville's, which means our program is not in a bad shape.
We just need to continue support our school no matter who is the coach.
Yeah, I agree. Half-assing it 10 days later is probably not the way.
Exactly. Going from "There's no good way of doing this" to "this is the least sincere and ill timed cut and paste job i've seen in a while" is more than one or two degrees of separation. Whether you thought he was sincere in wanting to stay or not, i think it's safe to say we all thought he was better than that farewell message. Lots of revealing going on rn.
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(12-09-2022 02:50 AM)gnn99d Wrote: There is not a best way to say goodbye, we fans just need to accept that.
Personally I rather have Fickell's goodbye than Tuberville's, which means our program is not in a bad shape.
We just need to continue support our school no matter who is the coach.
Yeah, I agree. Half-assing it 10 days later is probably not the way.
Exactly. Going from "There's no good way of doing this" to "this is the least sincere and ill timed cut and paste job i've seen in a while" is more than one or two degrees of separation. Whether you thought he was sincere in wanting to stay or not, i think it's safe to say we all thought he was better than that farewell message. Lots of revealing going on rn.
The problem with these OSU guys is that they have contempt for UC. They can be making $5 mil a year with an offer to increase it to $8 mil, and they still believe it’s beneath them, a mere stepping stone.
(12-09-2022 02:50 AM)gnn99d Wrote: There is not a best way to say goodbye, we fans just need to accept that.
Personally I rather have Fickell's goodbye than Tuberville's, which means our program is not in a bad shape.
We just need to continue support our school no matter who is the coach.
Yeah, I agree. Half-assing it 10 days later is probably not the way.
Exactly. Going from "There's no good way of doing this" to "this is the least sincere and ill timed cut and paste job i've seen in a while" is more than one or two degrees of separation. Whether you thought he was sincere in wanting to stay or not, i think it's safe to say we all thought he was better than that farewell message. Lots of revealing going on rn.
The problem with these OSU guys is that they have contempt for UC. They can be making $5 mil a year with an offer to increase it to $8 mil, and they still believe it’s beneath them, a mere stepping stone.
UC was definitely always gonna be "below" what Fickell thought he was worthy of. Which I'm not even that upset about. I know where we stand in the hierarchy and Fickell proved he is worthy of an elite job. I appreciate everything he did here.
What pisses me off is how he and his missus are reportedly butthurt about the fans booing Ben Bryant and a 9-3 team this past season, when I would make the case that as the season wore on, it was increasingly apparent to the fans that winning and the team improving week to week was not as important to the Head Coach as it was to the fans.
The messaging this season from Fickell was just "off". I chalked it up to him either being out of gas from building the program and going on last year's magical run, or he was checked out. And come to find out, it was the latter.
I still think he saw how difficult next season would be and didn't want to be thought of as a failure, or worse, just a good G5 coach.
He left when his stock was maxed and we'd all do the same thing. He did more for this team than every other coach combined and I hope he beats O$U every year until they hire him.
For me, two things are true. They can be compartmentalized...Fick kicked ass here. Won two conference chips in 6 seasons - played in three in a row. Helped us get in the CFP and in the B12. His players loved him. Gave us six seasons at the helm instead of the typical three.
On the flip, he used his experience and success here to land a bigger job. Got a $2M+ raise. He is no different than the majority of coaches. Ask Notre Dame fans. Oklahoma. Florida State. The days of Dabo Sweeney lifers are fleeting. There's too much money and pressure to win in college football for anything to remain certain.
I'm not going to spend anymore of my time speculating on Fick or his wife. Why? It won't change anything. He gawn. He can deal with Wisky expectations and playing in the B1G. I've moved on from him. We have a new coach, new assistants and roster turnover that has my attention and support now. The sooner you can do that the better it will be. Bearcat Nation forever baby.
(12-09-2022 02:50 AM)gnn99d Wrote: There is not a best way to say goodbye, we fans just need to accept that.
Personally I rather have Fickell's goodbye than Tuberville's, which means our program is not in a bad shape.
We just need to continue support our school no matter who is the coach.
Yeah, I agree. Half-assing it 10 days later is probably not the way.
Exactly. Going from "There's no good way of doing this" to "this is the least sincere and ill timed cut and paste job i've seen in a while" is more than one or two degrees of separation. Whether you thought he was sincere in wanting to stay or not, i think it's safe to say we all thought he was better than that farewell message. Lots of revealing going on rn.
The problem with these OSU guys is that they have contempt for UC. They can be making $5 mil a year with an offer to increase it to $8 mil, and they still believe it’s beneath them, a mere stepping stone.
UC was definitely always gonna be "below" what Fickell thought he was worthy of. Which I'm not even that upset about. I know where we stand in the hierarchy and Fickell proved he is worthy of an elite job. I appreciate everything he did here.
What pisses me off is how he and his missus are reportedly butthurt about the fans booing Ben Bryant and a 9-3 team this past season, when I would make the case that as the season wore on, it was increasingly apparent to the fans that winning and the team improving week to week was not as important to the Head Coach as it was to the fans.
The messaging this season from Fickell was just "off". I chalked it up to him either being out of gas from building the program and going on last year's magical run, or he was checked out. And come to find out, it was the latter.
He mentally checked out. His hiring and promotion of 6-7 staffers was mostly lazy. Those were not the hirings of a guy who was here to grind for the transition to the B12.
Speaking of which he's taken Tressel, Hirtschler and Brown from that vaunted on field staff.
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I think he did a good job as coach here. He struck gold with the young guys already in the program, he and his coaching staff developed them, and everybody prospered. And they recruited well. And when ND came calling in the middle of a national championship campaign, he said not now. Imagine how ****** the sport would look if coaches were jumping for more money at that point in a season. I still say the T.E.A.M. stuff was not my cup of tea, but I appreciate the run he had in Clifton.
(12-09-2022 06:24 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote: Yeah, I agree. Half-assing it 10 days later is probably not the way.
Exactly. Going from "There's no good way of doing this" to "this is the least sincere and ill timed cut and paste job i've seen in a while" is more than one or two degrees of separation. Whether you thought he was sincere in wanting to stay or not, i think it's safe to say we all thought he was better than that farewell message. Lots of revealing going on rn.
The problem with these OSU guys is that they have contempt for UC. They can be making $5 mil a year with an offer to increase it to $8 mil, and they still believe it’s beneath them, a mere stepping stone.
UC was definitely always gonna be "below" what Fickell thought he was worthy of. Which I'm not even that upset about. I know where we stand in the hierarchy and Fickell proved he is worthy of an elite job. I appreciate everything he did here.
What pisses me off is how he and his missus are reportedly butthurt about the fans booing Ben Bryant and a 9-3 team this past season, when I would make the case that as the season wore on, it was increasingly apparent to the fans that winning and the team improving week to week was not as important to the Head Coach as it was to the fans.
The messaging this season from Fickell was just "off". I chalked it up to him either being out of gas from building the program and going on last year's magical run, or he was checked out. And come to find out, it was the latter.
He mentally checked out. His hiring and promotion of 6-7 staffers was mostly lazy. Those were not the hirings of a guy who was here to grind for the transition to the B12.
Speaking of which he's taken Tressel, Hirtschler and Brown from that vaunted on field staff.
I think Brown did a remarkable job with the WR group, but over the years I always found it interesting Fickell never brought in guys he knew to replace departing coaches. Brown, Darren Paige and Mike Cummings were all guys that had some connections to Gino IIRC. Nate Letton might have been a Gino hook up as well, he was original a GA and then hired on as the TE coach. His dad was an established FB coach in Lexington, KY IIRC. Defensively--- no OSU guys to replace anyone? You would thin he had plenty of guys who either played at or coached OSU he could call in to coach that side of the ball.
Looking back on it, I remember reading/hearing that he was frustrated early on when guys like Al Washington bailed in the first year and then you had Stripling and Chad Wilt who did the same. You have to remember, nobody leaves Ohio State unless asked to. Perhaps he thought he had to balance hiring a coach whose star was not so bright as to him being unable to retain him here.
All this being said, I have moved on from the Fick era. I salute him for taking the program to new heights, but now he is gone and I have moved on.
(12-09-2022 09:33 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: I'm not going to spend anymore of my time speculating on Fick or his wife. Why? It won't change anything. He gawn. He can deal with Wisky expectations and playing in the B1G. I've moved on from him. We have a new coach, new assistants and roster turnover that has my attention and support now. The sooner you can do that the better it will be. Bearcat Nation forever baby.
Right on! Whatever the reason(s) he's at another school and, whatever the process, we have another coach.
(12-09-2022 09:33 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: For me, two things are true. They can be compartmentalized...Fick kicked ass here. Won two conference chips in 6 seasons - played in three in a row. Helped us get in the CFP and in the B12. His players loved him. Gave us six seasons at the helm instead of the typical three.
On the flip, he used his experience and success here to land a bigger job. Got a $2M+ raise. He is no different than the majority of coaches. Ask Notre Dame fans. Oklahoma. Florida State. The days of Dabo Sweeney lifers are fleeting. There's too much money and pressure to win in college football for anything to remain certain.
I'm not going to spend anymore of my time speculating on Fick or his wife. Why? It won't change anything. He gawn. He can deal with Wisky expectations and playing in the B1G. I've moved on from him. We have a new coach, new assistants and roster turnover that has my attention and support now. The sooner you can do that the better it will be. Bearcat Nation forever baby.
Yep, I agree. I'm thankful for what he gave us but I'm not going to invest any interest in dissecting his decisions. He's gone and I'm excited to have Coach Satt. In an environment where ND and OU lose their coaches to other schools giving us 6 years was very loyal. I wish him well; I won't actively seek out there games but if they're on I hope he does well. It will be odd as for decades I've actively rooted against all B10 schools.
(12-09-2022 09:33 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: For me, two things are true. They can be compartmentalized...Fick kicked ass here. Won two conference chips in 6 seasons - played in three in a row. Helped us get in the CFP and in the B12. His players loved him. Gave us six seasons at the helm instead of the typical three.
On the flip, he used his experience and success here to land a bigger job. Got a $2M+ raise. He is no different than the majority of coaches. Ask Notre Dame fans. Oklahoma. Florida State. The days of Dabo Sweeney lifers are fleeting. There's too much money and pressure to win in college football for anything to remain certain.
I'm not going to spend anymore of my time speculating on Fick or his wife. Why? It won't change anything. He gawn. He can deal with Wisky expectations and playing in the B1G. I've moved on from him. We have a new coach, new assistants and roster turnover that has my attention and support now. The sooner you can do that the better it will be. Bearcat Nation forever baby.
Yep, I agree. I'm thankful for what he gave us but I'm not going to invest any interest in dissecting his decisions. He's gone and I'm excited to have Coach Satt. In an environment where ND and OU lose their coaches to other schools giving us 6 years was very loyal. I wish him well; I won't actively seek out there games but if they're on I hope he does well. It will be odd as for decades I've actively rooted against all B10 schools.
I don’t think loyalty had much to do with the length of Fickell’s tenure - it was more situational. He left before his brand took a hit. Like any other coach, it is a transaction made in self-interest.
Honestly, the only school Fickell would be loyal to is O$U. I can’t be the only one who wondered if he had an internal conflict over UC being in the CFP while O$U watched on tv.
I don’t begrudge Fickell for much of anything, and especially not for leaving. They delayed goodbye says a lot, but nothing about This surprises me.
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(12-09-2022 09:14 AM)mac6115cd Wrote: I still think he saw how difficult next season would be and didn't want to be thought of as a failure, or worse, just a good G5 coach.
He left when his stock was maxed and we'd all do the same thing. He did more for this team than every other coach combined and I hope he beats O$U every year until they hire him.
Yes! And after O$U hires him, I hope they go 6-7 every year.
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(12-09-2022 08:07 AM)eroc Wrote: Exactly. Going from "There's no good way of doing this" to "this is the least sincere and ill timed cut and paste job i've seen in a while" is more than one or two degrees of separation. Whether you thought he was sincere in wanting to stay or not, i think it's safe to say we all thought he was better than that farewell message. Lots of revealing going on rn.
The problem with these OSU guys is that they have contempt for UC. They can be making $5 mil a year with an offer to increase it to $8 mil, and they still believe it’s beneath them, a mere stepping stone.
UC was definitely always gonna be "below" what Fickell thought he was worthy of. Which I'm not even that upset about. I know where we stand in the hierarchy and Fickell proved he is worthy of an elite job. I appreciate everything he did here.
What pisses me off is how he and his missus are reportedly butthurt about the fans booing Ben Bryant and a 9-3 team this past season, when I would make the case that as the season wore on, it was increasingly apparent to the fans that winning and the team improving week to week was not as important to the Head Coach as it was to the fans.
The messaging this season from Fickell was just "off". I chalked it up to him either being out of gas from building the program and going on last year's magical run, or he was checked out. And come to find out, it was the latter.
He mentally checked out. His hiring and promotion of 6-7 staffers was mostly lazy. Those were not the hirings of a guy who was here to grind for the transition to the B12.
Speaking of which he's taken Tressel, Hirtschler and Brown from that vaunted on field staff.
I think Brown did a remarkable job with the WR group, but over the years I always found it interesting Fickell never brought in guys he knew to replace departing coaches. Brown, Darren Paige and Mike Cummings were all guys that had some connections to Gino IIRC. Nate Letton might have been a Gino hook up as well, he was original a GA and then hired on as the TE coach. His dad was an established FB coach in Lexington, KY IIRC. Defensively--- no OSU guys to replace anyone? You would thin he had plenty of guys who either played at or coached OSU he could call in to coach that side of the ball.
Looking back on it, I remember reading/hearing that he was frustrated early on when guys like Al Washington bailed in the first year and then you had Stripling and Chad Wilt who did the same. You have to remember, nobody leaves Ohio State unless asked to. Perhaps he thought he had to balance hiring a coach whose star was not so bright as to him being unable to retain him here.
All this being said, I have moved on from the Fick era. I salute him for taking the program to new heights, but now he is gone and I have moved on.
Bolded, right there with you. I think it was easy for us to assume that Fickell helped UC reach the P5 Promised Land and would now want to enjoy the spoils of victory. But I don't doubt that his coaching style was a poor fit for the wide open passing attacks we'll see each week in the Big 12.
So maybe he decided his act would play better in Madison. And some B10 folks really believe theirs is the best P5 football conference, clinging to the erroneous adage, "Don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument". Somehow they fail to comprehend three different SEC teams have collected all that national championship hardware in recent years. This year, it looks like Georgia's turn again.
For old times sake, it would be fun to have Wisconsin return to Nippert to give our Bearcats another shot at victory after the Badgers' reigning Rose Bowl Champs lost to Minter's gang last time in Clifton. I won't hold my breath on that happening anytime soon.
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