(11-28-2022 06:20 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  So who replaces Fickell?

My money is on Brian Hartline or Matt Campbell, but I'm warming to Sherrone Moore out of Michigan.

It won't be Urban Meyer or Deion Sanders.

(11-28-2022 03:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:55 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 09:20 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:43 PM)ECU#7 Wrote:  This is like Christmas morning in November. Suck it Cinn fans. Can't wait to see you sitting at home this time next year with no bowl. The new doormat of the B12

The level of butt hurt from Cindy fans is palpable.

Ehhh…While change always causes anxiety, I’m not sure there’s an extraordinary amount of “butthurt” as you call it.

We’ve been on this ride before and it’s not like coaches don’t move on. Fortunately, the overall trajectory of UC football has been up over the last 25 years, and there’s no reason to expect that won’t continue.

It’s not like UC is an AAC bottom dweller playing in empty NFL stadiums…that was literally decades ago. Some schools elevated…others did not.

I agree with all that. The issue for me is UC fans bragging that Fickell would only leave for ND or OSU, then he left anyway.

I think unless you're Alabama or Ohio State or a few others, coaches will always leve for what they perceive as a better gig.

I will address this because I also said it. If you look at the facts and try to figure his point of view, this is the only conclusion that you could make. Every year, he turned down down mid tier power five programs. He turned down the Wvu, Louisville, maybe Florida State. It appeared he turned down the Notre Dame job. Why would anyone believe that he would backtrack to the Wisconsin job. I think something changed. Idk what it was. It was either his goals or something on the outside, but the dynamics changed. I did not say it because i believed we were Alabama, I thought it had to do with a perfect fit. Much in the way tha Boise was able to hold onto their coach for a number of years.

(11-28-2022 03:15 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 02:48 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  Problem is the trajectory of the program is down bigly after the past three days. You don’t just move on from losing the best coach in school history and the heart and soul of the program. Just need to accept the facts. Coupled with a loss to Tulane. Timing couldn’t be worse either with the transfer portal and conference move.

But hey, I’m sure things will be fine

This is a sad, bitter little post from someone who clearly knows nothing about the UC football program.

I’m going to defend the loss to Tulane. Actually, this is more about defending Tulane. They broke one of the longest win streaks in the nation in front of a loud, hostile crowd. They are a good team.

(11-28-2022 07:16 PM)geef Wrote:  It won't be Urban Meyer

Is it because Meyer doesn't want the job or Cincinnati doesn't want Meyer's baggage?

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Cindy need Ryan Silverfield. He’s a great bargain, come get him.

(11-29-2022 07:00 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 07:16 PM)geef Wrote:  It won't be Urban Meyer

Is it because Meyer doesn't want the job or Cincinnati doesn't want Meyer's baggage?

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Probably both.

(11-29-2022 07:00 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 07:16 PM)geef Wrote:  It won't be Urban Meyer

Is it because Meyer doesn't want the job or Cincinnati doesn't want Meyer's baggage?

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1) Let's be honest... If Urb took the job, we're not getting anything like a "full" effort from him. We'd be getting his face and presence but the rest of it would be largely "phoned in." I like "the idea" that he would come back to help his Alma Mater, but at this stage in his life, he's not coming to bring UC to new glory.

2) He's a walking liability and sexual harassment lawsuit. Given his past behavior, turning him loose on your campus is just waiting for the shoes to drop.

3) Urb has NEVER gone out his way to help UC before. He's "one of ours" but he has not displayed any signs of allegiance or love before. I'm not sure why he'd come out of retirement now...and he certainly wouldn't stay beyond three seasons when "the next" job came up if he did.

(11-29-2022 07:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 07:00 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 07:16 PM)geef Wrote:  It won't be Urban Meyer

Is it because Meyer doesn't want the job or Cincinnati doesn't want Meyer's baggage?

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1) Let's be honest... If Urb took the job, we're not getting anything like a "full" effort from him. We'd be getting his face and presence but the rest of it would be largely "phoned in." I like "the idea" that he would come back to help his Alma Mater, but at this stage in his life, he's not coming to bring UC to new glory.

2) He's a walking liability and sexual harassment lawsuit. Given his past behavior, turning him loose on your campus is just waiting for the shoes to drop.

3) Urb has NEVER gone out his way to help UC before. He's "one of ours" but he has not displayed any signs of allegiance or love before. I'm not sure why he'd come out of retirement now...and he certainly wouldn't stay beyond three seasons when "the next" job came up if he did.

You’d be getting another Tommy Tuberville effort - surely Cincy learned their lesson.

(11-29-2022 07:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 07:00 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 07:16 PM)geef Wrote:  It won't be Urban Meyer

Is it because Meyer doesn't want the job or Cincinnati doesn't want Meyer's baggage?

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1) Let's be honest... If Urb took the job, we're not getting anything like a "full" effort from him. We'd be getting his face and presence but the rest of it would be largely "phoned in." I like "the idea" that he would come back to help his Alma Mater, but at this stage in his life, he's not coming to bring UC to new glory.

2) He's a walking liability and sexual harassment lawsuit. Given his past behavior, turning him loose on your campus is just waiting for the shoes to drop.

3) Urb has NEVER gone out his way to help UC before. He's "one of ours" but he has not displayed any signs of allegiance or love before. I'm not sure why he'd come out of retirement now...and he certainly wouldn't stay beyond three seasons when "the next" job came up if he did.

Good points, but he is a proven winner and winning cures almost all ills.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/coa...yer-1.html

Where are all the Cincy clowns that said he'd only leave for Ohio State or Notre Dame? I seem to recall some of those same clowns trashing every other AAC fan who had similar thoughts about their coaches.

Stunned

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(11-29-2022 07:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  1) Let's be honest... If Urb took the job, we're not getting anything like a "full" effort from him. We'd be getting his face and presence but the rest of it would be largely "phoned in." I like "the idea" that he would come back to help his Alma Mater, but at this stage in his life, he's not coming to bring UC to new glory.

I strongly disagree with this. There are plenty of reasons to not bring Urban for an interview or hire him, but there is zero reason to believe Urban wouldn't give full effort. It's really been the consistent thread about Urban throughout his coaching career. He is insanely demanding of himself and others. (to the point of taking a physical toll on himself in the past). I am confident if he comes back to college football, he'll be working his a$$ off. He cares about his legacy.

(11-29-2022 07:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  2) He's a walking liability and sexual harassment lawsuit. Given his past behavior, turning him loose on your campus is just waiting for the shoes to drop.

If you're not going to consider Urban this, the Zach Smith stuff and other off the field issues his teams had in the past are the reason you refuse. That's the baggage you're dealing with.

(11-29-2022 07:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  3) Urb has NEVER gone out his way to help UC before. He's "one of ours" but he has not displayed any signs of allegiance or love before. I'm not sure why he'd come out of retirement now...and he certainly wouldn't stay beyond three seasons when "the next" job came up if he did.

I don't necessarily agree with this either, for two reasons:
1. UC is a better job than it has ever been. I don't think the list of schools taking coaches from UC is particularly long.
2. Urban might not be looking for the same thing late in his career he was early in his career. Urban has already won National Championships at two power programs. He's not catching Saban perception wise by winning at another traditional power. Saban has been too great for too long. But what if he did it somewhere new. I suspect Legacy matters a ton to Urban and his failure with the Jags eats at him. He's already established as a guy who can win with huge programs. What if he showed it at his alma matter.

I have mixed feelings on Urban, but if I were UC i'd at least call him. I'd want to gauge his interest. See how committed he is. Grill him on the baggage stuff and see how he answers for it. And if he truly is interested, make an assessment based on all of that.

I agree with @bearcatmark.

A non fully committed Urban can probably still out recruit and out coach a lot of coaches. If he was willing to give a listen, I would talk to him.

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I'd take Urban in a heartbeat. I've come to the conclusion that all college football coaches are sleazeballs; some are just better at not getting caught. Winning is all that matters, and Urban has always done that.

(11-29-2022 10:17 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  I agree with @bearcatmark.

A non fully committed Urban can probably still out recruit and out coach a lot of coaches. If he was willing to give a listen, I would talk to him.

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This is always the right call, but to clarify...I don't think Urban is taking a job without being fully committed to it. The baggage he comes with is the stuff he needs to have answered for in a way that satisfies the university.

(11-29-2022 09:21 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 07:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  1) Let's be honest... If Urb took the job, we're not getting anything like a "full" effort from him. We'd be getting his face and presence but the rest of it would be largely "phoned in." I like "the idea" that he would come back to help his Alma Mater, but at this stage in his life, he's not coming to bring UC to new glory.

I strongly disagree with this. There are plenty of reasons to not bring Urban for an interview or hire him, but there is zero reason to believe Urban wouldn't give full effort. It's really been the consistent thread about Urban throughout his coaching career. He is insanely demanding of himself and others. (to the point of taking a physical toll on himself in the past). I am confident if he comes back to college football, he'll be working his a$$ off. He cares about his legacy.

(11-29-2022 07:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  2) He's a walking liability and sexual harassment lawsuit. Given his past behavior, turning him loose on your campus is just waiting for the shoes to drop.

If you're not going to consider Urban this, the Zach Smith stuff and other off the field issues his teams had in the past are the reason you refuse. That's the baggage you're dealing with.

(11-29-2022 07:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  3) Urb has NEVER gone out his way to help UC before. He's "one of ours" but he has not displayed any signs of allegiance or love before. I'm not sure why he'd come out of retirement now...and he certainly wouldn't stay beyond three seasons when "the next" job came up if he did.

I don't necessarily agree with this either, for two reasons:
1. UC is a better job than it has ever been. I don't think the list of schools taking coaches from UC is particularly long.
2. Urban might not be looking for the same thing late in his career he was early in his career. Urban has already won National Championships at two power programs. He's not catching Saban perception wise by winning at another traditional power. Saban has been too great for too long. But what if he did it somewhere new. I suspect Legacy matters a ton to Urban and his failure with the Jags eats at him. He's already established as a guy who can win with huge programs. What if he showed it at his alma matter.

I have mixed feelings on Urban, but if I were UC i'd at least call him. I'd want to gauge his interest. See how committed he is. Grill him on the baggage stuff and see how he answers for it. And if he truly is interested, make an assessment based on all of that.

Of course you call him, it'd be stupid not to. But I'm more...cynical...about what Urban Meyer might mean for UC.

(11-29-2022 08:51 AM)b2b Wrote:  Where are all the Cincy clowns that said he'd only leave for Ohio State or Notre Dame? I seem to recall some of those same clowns trashing every other AAC fan who had similar thoughts about their coaches.

We're getting ready to move to a P5 conference and you're not.

(11-28-2022 07:56 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 03:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:55 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 09:20 AM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:43 PM)ECU#7 Wrote:  This is like Christmas morning in November. Suck it Cinn fans. Can't wait to see you sitting at home this time next year with no bowl. The new doormat of the B12

The level of butt hurt from Cindy fans is palpable.

Ehhh…While change always causes anxiety, I’m not sure there’s an extraordinary amount of “butthurt” as you call it.

We’ve been on this ride before and it’s not like coaches don’t move on. Fortunately, the overall trajectory of UC football has been up over the last 25 years, and there’s no reason to expect that won’t continue.

It’s not like UC is an AAC bottom dweller playing in empty NFL stadiums…that was literally decades ago. Some schools elevated…others did not.

I agree with all that. The issue for me is UC fans bragging that Fickell would only leave for ND or OSU, then he left anyway.

I think unless you're Alabama or Ohio State or a few others, coaches will always leve for what they perceive as a better gig.

I will address this because I also said it. If you look at the facts and try to figure his point of view, this is the only conclusion that you could make. Every year, he turned down down mid tier power five programs. He turned down the Wvu, Louisville, maybe Florida State. It appeared he turned down the Notre Dame job. Why would anyone believe that he would backtrack to the Wisconsin job. I think something changed. Idk what it was. It was either his goals or something on the outside, but the dynamics changed. I did not say it because i believed we were Alabama, I thought it had to do with a perfect fit. Much in the way tha Boise was able to hold onto their coach for a number of years.

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This. Most UC fans felt that after six seasons only ND or Ohio State made the most sense as a future landing spot. Wisconsin isn't on either level but it gets him closer to Ohio St if that opens up at some point. What changed? His assistant left to become the DC and eventual HC at Notre Dame. He was interested in the opening but the CFP was the focus and ND wasn't waiting to conduct interviews. I think that experience impacted his perspective. The bottom line is he grew our program and brand over six seasons and made the CFP. No UC coach had stayed that long in almost two decades. I can't complain. Next coach up!

An article today in the Athletic says that before Nebraska hired Matt Rhule, Fickell also threw his hat into the ring with Nebraska, and didn't accept the Wisconsin job until a day after Nebraska announced Rhule.

Behind a pay wall, but here's the link.

https://theathletic.com/3954590/2022/12/...ng-search/

(12-01-2022 12:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  An article today in the Athletic says that before Nebraska hired Matt Rhule, Fickell also threw his hat into the ring with Nebraska, and didn't accept the Wisconsin job until a day after Nebraska announced Rhule.

Behind a pay wall, but here's the link.

https://theathletic.com/3954590/2022/12/...ng-search/

Something was off with Fickell all year long especially after the Arkansas lost. No clue what it was but his messaging of making UC into a top 10 program was no where to be found all year.

This doesn’t surprise me as I thought Nebraska was a much better job than Wisconsin.

We got a good core of current players/commits putting out they are still all in which is good to see. Of course some have entered the portal likely for an NIL pay day which they may have already.

I’m more PO’d with losing our strength and conditioning coach than HC after what’s come out about him basically chasing jobs this year. Two of the recent commits that said nada before he went to Wisconsin noted something was up on their last trip and was sole reason for decommitting after the news came out he was going to Wisconsin seems as if they put two and two together well before the fanbase.

If you’re not all in we don’t want you. Next coach in! Best of luck to Brady Collins!

Thanks for 5 100% years Fickell gave to UC. Enjoy getting shelled by my Buckeyes and those Wolverines year in and year out.