Other schools have a NIL fund system, I think.

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There is no way wells got 500,000. Most of the numbers being thrown out are way higher than reality except for a handful of the top players. On3 which gives NIL valuations has wells at 150k currently and that is a huge jump from a few weeks ago.

Don’t disagree that we need to be in the nil game but we will never be able to compete at even the level referenced above.

Honest question, regardless of what Wells is getting paid, is $500k for a top receiver like Wells even worth it at this time for any program? Obviously if you have TAMU money and can throw cash around why not but we did pretty well with our guys this season. If I was a big time donor and had $500k to throw to NIL I don’t think I’d make that payment just to him. He’s had a great year but with where our program is at I think that $500k would be better spent in a lot of different ways.

There was an interesting comment made by the announcing crew in the Texas/Baylor game over the weekend. They were talking about Texas RB Bijan Robinson going pro but suggested with NIL money he might be more inclined to stay for another year. I don't know where they got the number from but they threw out $2m as what he was earning now.

(11-27-2022 10:48 PM)Anders Wrote:  Honest question, regardless of what Wells is getting paid, is $500k for a top receiver like Wells even worth it at this time for any program? Obviously if you have TAMU money and can throw cash around why not but we did pretty well with our guys this season. If I was a big time donor and had $500k to throw to NIL I don’t think I’d make that payment just to him. He’s had a great year but with where our program is at I think that $500k would be better spent in a lot of different ways.

You make a good point about 500K and Wells, and evidently that number is off (according to a previous post). Most of us agree with you I’m sure. I don’t think the answer for JMU is one or two donors giving a large sum, but there has to be a way to get organized in the NIL game and begin to have something to offer. Is it plausible for businesses in nova, Rich, Hampton Roads to get in on it with JMU? Probably not. Can the Rockingham County area even hope to support something substantial with NIL? Either way, JMU needs to get serious about pursuing it (and perhaps it is already). Would it hurt the overall athletic program for donors to begin to divert some funds to a general NIL line item??? I am neither a prophet nor the son of a prophet, but I know this is going to be more of an issue moving forward.

(11-27-2022 08:51 PM)PurpleSoloCup84 Wrote:  Does anyone know what happened to our P.A. Announcer at football games? I'm fine with the current one, just curious as to what happened to the P.A. Announcer that had been doing it for years - retire? I thought he was there for the first home game or two, but maybe it took me a couple of games to notice.

I mentioned this in the GaSt game thread and would also be curious to know the answer. Not that I care too strongly, but I preferred the previous guy. I think he had been doing it for years. The new guy has kind of a folksy delivery that comes across as cartoonish to me.

(11-27-2022 07:18 PM)14SemesterDuke Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 06:26 PM)Johns1124 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:45 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  my post season thoughts:

1) I picked 8-3 before the season. Right on the money. Although I have no doubt we beat Marshall with Centeio. NONE!

4) On offense, we had playmakers everywhere. The offense could not be stopped except for a QB injury that showed we have no backup. Only Marshall and Louisville held us under 32 points. Not a coincidence those were the two games Toddy was hurt or didn't play at all. When he played and was healthy we scored.....44, 63, 32, 40, 42, 37, 42, 47. Potent !

You guys underestimate the importance of a good Defence at the FBS level. So did we for a short while, until we hit the early stages of CUSA.

Huh? Our Defense was great.

Exactly. Our Herd “friend” apparently wasn’t aware JMU boasted the #1 FBS run defense. It also certainly helps a D if the O keeps the opponents D on the field. It’s true that the best D is a good Offense.

(11-27-2022 11:51 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 07:18 PM)14SemesterDuke Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 06:26 PM)Johns1124 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:45 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  my post season thoughts:

1) I picked 8-3 before the season. Right on the money. Although I have no doubt we beat Marshall with Centeio. NONE!

4) On offense, we had playmakers everywhere. The offense could not be stopped except for a QB injury that showed we have no backup. Only Marshall and Louisville held us under 32 points. Not a coincidence those were the two games Toddy was hurt or didn't play at all. When he played and was healthy we scored.....44, 63, 32, 40, 42, 37, 42, 47. Potent !

You guys underestimate the importance of a good Defence at the FBS level. So did we for a short while, until we hit the early stages of CUSA.

Huh? Our Defense was great.

Exactly. Our Herd “friend” apparently wasn’t aware JMU boasted the #1 FBS run defense. It also certainly helps a D if the O keeps the opponents D on the field. It’s true that the best D is a good Offense.

#9 Total Defense in all of FBS. Marshall is #10, South Alabama is #11, Troy #16, which are also impressive. 4 of the top 16 defenses.

Bodes well for the future of the SBC.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22

(11-27-2022 06:26 PM)Johns1124 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 10:45 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  my post season thoughts:

1) I picked 8-3 before the season. Right on the money. Although I have no doubt we beat Marshall with Centeio. NONE!

4) On offense, we had playmakers everywhere. The offense could not be stopped except for a QB injury that showed we have no backup. Only Marshall and Louisville held us under 32 points. Not a coincidence those were the two games Toddy was hurt or didn't play at all. When he played and was healthy we scored.....44, 63, 32, 40, 42, 37, 42, 47. Potent !

You guys underestimate the importance of a good Defence at the FBS level. So did we for a short while, until we hit the early stages of CUSA.

typical Don's John post.

he left out my #3 point which talked all about how our defense was surprisingly stout, especially the front 6.

We struggle enough with raising dollars at JMU. NIL money doesn't seem like something we are going to be able to compete with.

(11-28-2022 09:06 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  We struggle enough with raising dollars at JMU. NIL money doesn't seem like something we are going to be able to compete with.

NIL can't rely on the usual donors. We'll need to find corporate dollars there.

Now that the season's over, I'm sure there will be plenty of talk about schools trying to take Cignetti.
First off, I really, really want him to stay. He's the perfect fit for this program. I would understand if he left for a P5.
But I don't think he will. Here's why.
Cignetti has been around. He's coached at P5 schools and knows what it takes. But let's face it: if Cignetti does get hired, it will not be for a good P5 school. It will be for a P5 school that is struggling. It will be a project. It will take time to buy in, not just from the players, but from the admin and the donors. It is far from a cushy job. Yes, I'm sure it will pay A LOT, but money isn't everything to everyone.
Cignetti isn't the typical guy we've had here. He didn't come here as a springboard to another place. He came here because he saw what we were doing and wanted to be here. He also doesn't seem to be a guy that's just about a paycheck. I know I've said it before, but he comes across as a guy that values legacy. He has the chance to build a legacy here at JMU. Something that will last long after he leaves. If he continues this, by the end of his time here, he'll be forever revered by JMU as the man.
And when you hear him talk, he talks about JMU differently than others have. He was the first coach I can remember to vocally shoot down rumors of a coaching job in the past. And the JMU job has gotten way better than when we were FCS.
BUT, he could still go. And if he does, he will have left one hell of a program for the next guy to take full advantage of.

(11-28-2022 09:06 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  We struggle enough with raising dollars at JMU. NIL money doesn't seem like something we are going to be able to compete with.

No but we should at least do something. Even if it is selling trading card packs at $10 a pop with 10 cards in a pack. Sell that in the bookstore and if every STH just got 2-3 packs that's an extra $200-300k that can be distributed for NIL to all the players. Sell a few custom jerseys with player numbes and names (signed) for $1000 each. Might not mean much for some of the high profile/high value positions but I'm sure with a few different approaches we can get all 85 players at least an extra $5-10k a year.

(11-27-2022 10:35 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 09:57 AM)GeoJMU Wrote:  I don't know if anyone else noticed but it did seem like the JMU crowd is learning a little about football and was keeping relatively quiet while the Dukes were on offense yesterday!

Great season - can't wait until next year.

Is that sarcasm? The hype guy again started a cheer prior to one of our plays on offense and the crowd kept going again, and the players had to wave the arms to quiet the crowd again.

I was serious and missed that play. Must have been in the beer line! But it did seem better than past games - we’ll see what the fans have learned next year!

My thoughts on the year:

FBS:
Even better than I thought it would be, every game aside from NSU I had a feeling like we should win, but we could also lose. It made it more fun an interesting, and I noticed my group of fans (also long time STH and superfans) were more engaged with midweek updates, pressers, etc as well. There is certainly value being in the FBS and on ESPN+. I had several old classmates reach out about coming to a game this year too.

SBC:
Feels like the conference commisioner is a class act and has a plan to grow the SBC into something special. If our teams all continue to scalp big teams and stick together I could see this growing into what the AAC/Big East used to be. We will also be the big dog of the conference in multiple sports for years to come. I expect a lot of fans from other teams will start to hate us the way the CAA opponents did because our finances and commitment to a broad group of sports at the top level means we're going to be competing for championships by multiple teams every year. (e.g. this year, MSOC, WSOC, VB all made the championship game and FB would have if we were eligible). As a fan that's as good as it gets.

Other teams:
Marshall - Feel like this will be more of a friendly rivalry than the others even though I see Marshall as one of the big 3 (along with us and App St.) who will be running the SBC for the next decade. Solid football program, and fan base.

App St. - They are still the same cocky asshats they used to be in FCS, lol. I will give them credit though, after we beat them most of their fans gave credit 'game recognizes game' so to speak. They're going to be a challenge every year.

Georgia Southern - never seen a more spiteful, mean spirited group than their fans. But then again I'd hate life if I was from Statesboro (heck Georgia) so maybe they can't help it. They will be "good" only so long as Helton is around.

Georgia State - what ever happened to their one fan? Their team plays dirty. We must crush them every year.

ODU - I have a feeling this is going to be more like the Richmond rivalry in the last few years we were in the CAA. I'm not sure they're going to be competitive with us in the long run.

CCU - solid showing by their fans in our stadium; team seems soft as hell, kind of like SHSU

SBC West - I look forward to playing some of the better teams out there and see where we stack up.

(11-28-2022 12:14 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  My thoughts on the year:

FBS:
Even better than I thought it would be, every game aside from NSU I had a feeling like we should win, but we could also lose. It made it more fun an interesting, and I noticed my group of fans (also long time STH and superfans) were more engaged with midweek updates, pressers, etc as well. There is certainly value being in the FBS and on ESPN+. I had several old classmates reach out about coming to a game this year too.

SBC:
Feels like the conference commisioner is a class act and has a plan to grow the SBC into something special. If our teams all continue to scalp big teams and stick together I could see this growing into what the AAC/Big East used to be. We will also be the big dog of the conference in multiple sports for years to come. I expect a lot of fans from other teams will start to hate us the way the CAA opponents did because our finances and commitment to a broad group of sports at the top level means we're going to be competing for championships by multiple teams every year. (e.g. this year, MSOC, WSOC, VB all made the championship game and FB would have if we were eligible). As a fan that's as good as it gets.

Other teams:
Marshall - Feel like this will be more of a friendly rivalry than the others even though I see Marshall as one of the big 3 (along with us and App St.) who will be running the SBC for the next decade. Solid football program, and fan base.

App St. - They are still the same cocky asshats they used to be in FCS, lol. I will give them credit though, after we beat them most of their fans gave credit 'game recognizes game' so to speak. They're going to be a challenge every year.

Georgia Southern - never seen a more spiteful, mean spirited group than their fans. But then again I'd hate life if I was from Statesboro (heck Georgia) so maybe they can't help it. They will be "good" only so long as Helton is around.

Georgia State - what ever happened to their one fan? Their team plays dirty. We must crush them every year.

ODU - I have a feeling this is going to be more like the Richmond rivalry in the last few years we were in the CAA. I'm not sure they're going to be competitive with us in the long run.

CCU - solid showing by their fans in our stadium; team seems soft as hell, kind of like SHSU

SBC West - I look forward to playing some of the better teams out there and see where we stack up.

Agree on your assessment of the East. Not sure I agree with your assessment of App fans though. I heard far more about "the penalty" than actually giving us credit for the win. Hell, they were still whining about it this weekend. I expected them to have grown a backbone being FBS, but they are still as insecure as they were in the FCS days. The wins have done nothing for their confidence.
ODU- They are definitely the new "Richmond". I don't like them and look forward to beating them every single time.
CCU- Very easy to hate them. I totally get it now. They are the "Asteriskleers" forever.

Oh and in reference to SHSU (rot in hell, btw), did anyone else hear that Texas State may go after Keeler?? Not really too excited to see the whiny baby coach come to the Sun Belt, but then again if that would leave Soft Houston without a coach in their transition and good luck trying to find a guy that wants to take the wheel to that trainwreck. Maybe UMass' coach is available.

(11-28-2022 09:06 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  We struggle enough with raising dollars at JMU. NIL money doesn't seem like something we are going to be able to compete with.

Speaking specifically for sports, what are the actuals? How does Duke Club compare to (a) other FCS to FBS schools (i.e., SHSU, JSU, Kennesaw), (b) other SBC teams, and © low level P5 / recruiting competitors (i.e., VT, UVA, MD and soon to be Cinc, Houston, UVA, VT)?

More is always the goal, and "record breaking donations" is just a headline from looking in the rear view mirror, but I have to think we are crushing (a) and doing pretty good against (b). Likely reading into it too much but "struggle" seems to discredit our efforts a bit.

To your point, anyone suggesting we need to compete with SEC on NIL isn't thinking about realistic near term goals.

(11-28-2022 12:48 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 09:06 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  We struggle enough with raising dollars at JMU. NIL money doesn't seem like something we are going to be able to compete with.

Speaking specifically for sports, what are the actuals? How does Duke Club compare to (a) other FCS to FBS schools (i.e., SHSU, JSU, Kennesaw), (b) other SBC teams, and © low level P5 / recruiting competitors (i.e., VT, UVA, MD and soon to be Cinc, Houston, UVA, VT)?

More is always the goal, and "record breaking donations" is just a headline from looking in the rear view mirror, but I have to think we are crushing (a) and doing pretty good against (b). Likely reading into it too much but "struggle" seems to discredit our efforts a bit.

To your point, anyone suggesting we need to compete with SEC on NIL isn't thinking about realistic near term goals.

From what I understand there are schools ahead of us in overall donations with App and ODU being two of them. I think we are in top half, but are not the top of the conference. The goal for JMU over the next couple of years should be to get to over 10 million in donations which is doable.

(11-28-2022 12:31 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 12:14 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  My thoughts on the year:

FBS:
Even better than I thought it would be, every game aside from NSU I had a feeling like we should win, but we could also lose. It made it more fun an interesting, and I noticed my group of fans (also long time STH and superfans) were more engaged with midweek updates, pressers, etc as well. There is certainly value being in the FBS and on ESPN+. I had several old classmates reach out about coming to a game this year too.

SBC:
Feels like the conference commisioner is a class act and has a plan to grow the SBC into something special. If our teams all continue to scalp big teams and stick together I could see this growing into what the AAC/Big East used to be. We will also be the big dog of the conference in multiple sports for years to come. I expect a lot of fans from other teams will start to hate us the way the CAA opponents did because our finances and commitment to a broad group of sports at the top level means we're going to be competing for championships by multiple teams every year. (e.g. this year, MSOC, WSOC, VB all made the championship game and FB would have if we were eligible). As a fan that's as good as it gets.

Other teams:
Marshall - Feel like this will be more of a friendly rivalry than the others even though I see Marshall as one of the big 3 (along with us and App St.) who will be running the SBC for the next decade. Solid football program, and fan base.

App St. - They are still the same cocky asshats they used to be in FCS, lol. I will give them credit though, after we beat them most of their fans gave credit 'game recognizes game' so to speak. They're going to be a challenge every year.

Georgia Southern - never seen a more spiteful, mean spirited group than their fans. But then again I'd hate life if I was from Statesboro (heck Georgia) so maybe they can't help it. They will be "good" only so long as Helton is around.

Georgia State - what ever happened to their one fan? Their team plays dirty. We must crush them every year.

ODU - I have a feeling this is going to be more like the Richmond rivalry in the last few years we were in the CAA. I'm not sure they're going to be competitive with us in the long run.

CCU - solid showing by their fans in our stadium; team seems soft as hell, kind of like SHSU

SBC West - I look forward to playing some of the better teams out there and see where we stack up.

Agree on your assessment of the East. Not sure I agree with your assessment of App fans though. I heard far more about "the penalty" than actually giving us credit for the win. Hell, they were still whining about it this weekend. I expected them to have grown a backbone being FBS, but they are still as insecure as they were in the FCS days. The wins have done nothing for their confidence.
ODU- They are definitely the new "Richmond". I don't like them and look forward to beating them every single time.
CCU- Very easy to hate them. I totally get it now. They are the "Asteriskleers" forever.

Oh and in reference to SHSU (rot in hell, btw), did anyone else hear that Texas State may go after Keeler?? Not really too excited to see the whiny baby coach come to the Sun Belt, but then again if that would leave Soft Houston without a coach in their transition and good luck trying to find a guy that wants to take the wheel to that trainwreck. Maybe UMass' coach is available.

agree with all...except Marshall and App both had/still have, some major D-Bags.

but that's to be expected with large fan bases. You have a wider pool from which to draw from, so you will run the gamut. No different than ours. Which is why some fans of other schools don't "like" us. oh well.

GaState and Coastal are definitely the two easiest to dislike. Other than the obvious ODU. Funny, all three of those are schools that have relatively recently started programs and have never actually won ****. Must be something to that.

card packs! I wish I had thought of that!

Nobody is buying card packs, let alone STHs getting 2-3 card packs.