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(11-28-2022 04:32 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3446...-is-boring

Neat article, but it really doesn't answer Flagship's three points (he calls it a rant, but I think it was stated very well):

--> Why limit the number of players permitted on the offensive end but not on the defensive end? There may be a good reason. But soccer dunces like me don't see this as anything more than an artificial rule to depress scoring.

--> Why the running clock? Using egg timers would be an improvement over what we currently have. Is there a reason why soccer needs to be timed differently than every other sport?

--> Why the artificial cap on substitutions? In the limited amount of the World Cup that I have so far watched, I think that I heard that the limit has been moved from 3-per-team to 5-per-team, so there clearly is not some carved-in-stone commandment at play here. Is there a reason why unlimited substitutions would not work in soccer?

And my two add-ons:

--> Do you find penalty kicks from point-blank range exciting? I certainly couldn't score on one, but a professional soccer player? That strikes me as a gimme. Why not move them back?

--> I am sure that there is some deep strategy involved in passing the ball all the way back to your own goalie dozens of times each game. But is strikes me as lame.

One way to respond is to point out that I am an idiot, which is essentially the point of the linked article. Point conceded. But there are lots of idiots in this country, and probably elsewhere in the world, who are open to watching a more interesting sport that doesn't require us to study up on rules that seem arcane and counterintuitive.
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RE: In case anyone is watching....USA v ENG
(11-28-2022 06:21 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(11-28-2022 04:32 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3446...-is-boring

Neat article, but it really doesn't answer Flagship's three points (he calls it a rant, but I think it was stated very well):

--> Why limit the number of players permitted on the offensive end but not on the defensive end? There may be a good reason. But soccer dunces like me don't see this as anything more than an artificial rule to depress scoring.

--> Why the running clock? Using egg timers would be an improvement over what we currently have. Is there a reason why soccer needs to be timed differently than every other sport?

--> Why the artificial cap on substitutions? In the limited amount of the World Cup that I have so far watched, I think that I heard that the limit has been moved from 3-per-team to 5-per-team, so there clearly is not some carved-in-stone commandment at play here. Is there a reason why unlimited substitutions would not work in soccer?

And my two add-ons:

--> Do you find penalty kicks from point-blank range exciting? I certainly couldn't score on one, but a professional soccer player? That strikes me as a gimme. Why not move them back?

--> I am sure that there is some deep strategy involved in passing the ball all the way back to your own goalie dozens of times each game. But is strikes me as lame.

One way to respond is to point out that I am an idiot, which is essentially the point of the linked article. Point conceded. But there are lots of idiots in this country, and probably elsewhere in the world, who are open to watching a more interesting sport that doesn't require us to study up on rules that seem arcane and counterintuitive.

Good questions.

-There are no rules against how many players you can have on the offensive end. You can put all 11 in the offensive end if you want.

-It is a nonstop running clock and only 1 official, who is the official timer. It's used for simplicity. Personally, I love that the clock never stops but I can see the desire to have it decrease instead of increase.

-It used to be 3 subs but they changed it to 5 during COVID. Personally, I like 3 subs. I don't really see the need to have unlimited subs. In baseball, you cant leave the game and then come back in. The clock doesn't stop for substitutions.

-Im not sure why penalty kicks are not exciting. FWIW, they are converted somewhere around 75% so its not a gimme by any means. Why should people score less on penalty kicks?

-The great thing about soccer is that it is a mixture of athleticism and tactics. There are way more tactics to soccer than you probably believe. Its a chess match.

I would argue that soccer is the most simplistic sport with the fewest rule variations. And it really doesn't need more fans, the world cup draws more than probably anything but NFL. And over the course of the world, its number 1.
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From the Babylon Bee (reprinted without any permission whatsoever):

Quote:Everyone agrees soccer is boring and America needs to fix it, but how? Here are ten simple ways to make soccer interesting, since the rest of the planet apparently remains intent on making us watch it every four years.

1. Goalies must be double amputees - no more scoreless draws! Any two limbs will do.

2. Supply one "enforcer" on each team with a taser - finally, the guy thrashing on the ground won't be faking!

3. Add quicksand so that anyone who takes too long on a free kick gets sucked in - move or die.

4. Have a drunk hobo decide when each half starts and ends - bound to be more sensible than whatever the current system is.

5. In the event of a tie, the coaches must have a duel at midfield - if it ends in a tie, it's not a sport.

6. If players pass the ball 10 times without shooting, the ball detonates - would put a stop to this asinine backward passing once and for all.

7. Release an enraged bull onto the field if things get boring - "Mbappe steps up to take the free kick and OH MY GRACIOUS HE JUST GOT GORED IN THE LIVER!"

8. Anyone who flops will be thrown into the Sarlacc Pit where they will discover a new definition of pain and suffering - there is no flopping in the Sarlacc Pit.

9. Give half the players jetpacks and half the players surface-to-air missiles - built in Lockheed-Martin sponsorship.

10. Instead of kicking a round ball towards a goal, players will carry or throw a more oblong ball towards a kind of "end zone" - definitely onto something here.
With just a few of these changes, soccer might have a real chance to finally catch on! Let us know any changes to the so-called "sport" that you would make!
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RE: In case anyone is watching....USA v ENG
(11-29-2022 07:21 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  From the Babylon Bee (reprinted without any permission whatsoever):

Quote:Everyone agrees soccer is boring and America needs to fix it, but how? Here are ten simple ways to make soccer interesting, since the rest of the planet apparently remains intent on making us watch it every four years.

1. Goalies must be double amputees - no more scoreless draws! Any two limbs will do.

2. Supply one "enforcer" on each team with a taser - finally, the guy thrashing on the ground won't be faking!

3. Add quicksand so that anyone who takes too long on a free kick gets sucked in - move or die.

4. Have a drunk hobo decide when each half starts and ends - bound to be more sensible than whatever the current system is.

5. In the event of a tie, the coaches must have a duel at midfield - if it ends in a tie, it's not a sport.

6. If players pass the ball 10 times without shooting, the ball detonates - would put a stop to this asinine backward passing once and for all.

7. Release an enraged bull onto the field if things get boring - "Mbappe steps up to take the free kick and OH MY GRACIOUS HE JUST GOT GORED IN THE LIVER!"

8. Anyone who flops will be thrown into the Sarlacc Pit where they will discover a new definition of pain and suffering - there is no flopping in the Sarlacc Pit.

9. Give half the players jetpacks and half the players surface-to-air missiles - built in Lockheed-Martin sponsorship.

10. Instead of kicking a round ball towards a goal, players will carry or throw a more oblong ball towards a kind of "end zone" - definitely onto something here.
With just a few of these changes, soccer might have a real chance to finally catch on! Let us know any changes to the so-called "sport" that you would make!
I say we start with number 10 and work from there.
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RE: In case anyone is watching....USA v ENG
(11-27-2022 08:50 AM)AimHigher Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 08:59 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  MLB has ruined baseball and turned it into a mindless home run - strike out parade with no other skills valued. Pitch clock, dual DH, banning the shift, extra innings free base runner. All but guaranteed ads are coming on jerseys within 3 seasons. Only NASCAR has watered down its base product as much and MLB probably will be as nationally irrelevant as NASCAR within a generation.

I’m a short track fan. NASCAR is realizing it now with the success Dale Earnhardt Jr. with North Wilkesboro Speedway's revival and Tony Stewart with SRX racing. Dale Jr Downland is an awesome podcast for the casual fan.
Speaking of changes in sports.....NASCAR finally corrected a major problem (IMO) this past year. With growing emphasis on aerodynamics, the fenders on the cars grew over the tire (compared to the 80's). The problem was that if there was any side-by-side contact, the fender collapsed down on the tire causing a flat. In the 80's, the wheel wells were cut well outside the perimeter of the tire and flats didn't happen because of minor contact. The change was to move to a composite body that was much stronger than the thin sheet metal that was used in the recent decades.

Regarding the DH, as a big baseball fan my entire life, I have struggled with the DH rule, but only from a traditional standpoint. If you understand baseball, you know that it is difficult to be a good hitter if you only get 2 or 3 at bats every 5 days. Sure you lose the strategy of whether to pinch hit or let the pitcher hit in the middle of the game, but as a fan, I'm not involved in the decision making. It just leads to criticism when the decision backfires. I will say that I embraced the DH once I saw another benefit. Hank Aaron joined the Milwaukee Brewers when they were still in the American League late in his career and played as a DH mostly. It gave fans a chance to see the Home Run King and future HOFer play for 2 extra years. I think that is good for the sport.

I think one of the best major rule changes in sports was the addition of the three point line in basketball. For me, the biggest benefit is that smaller players with a skill set that is different from 7-foot centers can be influential in the game. Baseball is going in the opposite direction with the love of the home run through juiced baseballs. Smaller players with low power but with good contact ability are being overlooked today for hitters with power. That led to the defensive shift and now the banning of the shift. One problem created another problem, and so on.

Now for the soccer offsides rule. While watching many, many high school and club soccer games in recent years, I saw many questionable offsides calls, or lack thereof, by officials. The problem is that you have to see/hear two different things (ball kicked and player positioning) that could be as much as 30 yards apart from each other. But spending years discussing it with experienced soccer players, I realize there is no real good solution to the bad calls and that the strategy of offsides is a major part of the game. So I have come to live with it.

Now the restrictive arc under the basket is a similar dilemma for officials. The eyes must be on the feet as well as the body and hands of the defender at the same time. That's a tough call to make. And for the life of me, I don't understand the need for it. Player safety? Don't drive. And just because the arc is there doesn't mean a defender isn't there that could put the offensive player in jeopardy. Maybe he is willing to take the foul. Maybe the arc is reducing the number of defensive challenges to a drive and thus reducing potential injuries. But maybe there are now more drives and more fouls called because of the perceived arc protection. Could be a near wash for what is a difficult call for an official to make.
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The reason I like the arc is because it lessens the number of non defensive plays that are called charges.

Too often a guy can get beat but slide over while the defender is going up for a shot and the ref mistakenly calls a charge. Way too many charge calls still but I can live with the arc.
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Well, here we are again - for those of you watching and enjoying (the folks who this thread was created for). Are we going to make it? Or will this be a classic USMNT letdown?

I say we end the day disappointed. I hope to be wrong. Either way I will be watching.
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Its 50/50....actually more like 40/60 that we advance.

The problem is Iran has no incentive to play positive football so its on us to break through for a goal (or multiple, if need be). Thus, we could hypothetically leaver ourselves exposed on the back end. Iran isn't a terrible team so they will be well organized.

It really hurt not coming away with 3 points against Wales. A goal in the first 30 would go a long way for us. And we have typically been a much stronger side in the first half.
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For those interested in soccer tactics, I’m currently reading a really good book called “Inverting the Pyramid,” which covers the history of tactics and is actually way more interesting as a history book than you’d imagine, given its subject. Definitely recommend checking it out, if you are a fan of the game and its history.
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(11-29-2022 09:07 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  The reason I like the arc is because it lessens the number of non defensive plays that are called charges.

Too often a guy can get beat but slide over while the defender is going up for a shot and the ref mistakenly calls a charge. Way too many charge calls still but I can live with the arc.

Yeah. I get it. I just think it is easier for an official to focus on the defender's body/hands without adding the location of feet to the mix.
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Its true, it does make it more difficult. Luckily, they can go to the monitor when need be. (obviously slows down the game)
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WE were in this spot in 2010 needing a win. Drew England and Slovenia.

We went to extra time with no score

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7eZmKWW9s4
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A few good chances. We may just need that one to break through
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Remind me again how this rule doesn’t arbitrarily reward defenders failing?
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(11-29-2022 02:30 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  A few good chances. We may just need that one to break through

Offside rule needs to be tweaked in my opinion, but it won't be.
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(11-29-2022 03:06 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  
(11-29-2022 02:30 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  A few good chances. We may just need that one to break through

Offside rule needs to be tweaked in my opinion, but it won't be.
That call hurt. It may have been the right one, I dont know, but it sure was close.
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LFG!! USA! USA!
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(11-29-2022 03:00 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

Remind me again how this rule doesn’t arbitrarily reward defenders failing?

The offensive player failed to stay onside.
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