Assuming he doesn’t come here, I’d love to see Deion stay at JSU. He has done more to raise awareness of the financial need in HBCU’s than anyone in recent memory; & his impact there is truly needed. Deion at Auburn or Deion at Nebraska becomes just another football coach.

(11-25-2022 09:17 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 06:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Odom had bad timing at Mizzou, on top of the other challenges that program has inside the SEC (recruiting, bad fit). They had that whole turmoil going on there culturally - on campus and in the lockerroom. I may be wrong, but I don't believe Odom was responsible for any of that.

That said, I want a hungry offensive coach. Why mess with the formula? Again.

We have a coach.

There is basically a zero chance Deon Sanders would come here from JSU.

If Ryan were to step down , the best candidate to succeed here is unknown to 99% of the fan base here

Not sure what that has to do with the Odom post, but whatever.

Yes, we have a coach - probably for about 365 more days. If we don't fire him this year, I am mostly convinced we will have to fire him next year after another 6-6 season and very bad attendance. I just hope that it's not too far in the ditch that someone can still get it out.

There is absolutely zero chance Deion comes here if we don't fire Ryan. If we do fire Ryan and made a run at Deion, I believe there is a very good chance he would come here; there's more evidence he would than that he would not.

Usually I believe our football hires are unknown until they are announced. Best candidates though? Not sure. Fuente and Norvell were certainly not widely known - and Porter & Ryan were - so you have that working for you. But I believe West was pretty good and he was well known. My memory is fuzzy on how well known the rest were.

OTOH basketball has been different. Penny was well known. Tubby was nationally well known, but not really known to be a candidate. Pastner was the opposite - unknown nationally, but well known to be a candidate. Cal was well known. Tic was not.

So I guess it's a mixed bag on candidate profile and success here.

(11-25-2022 11:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:17 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 06:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Odom had bad timing at Mizzou, on top of the other challenges that program has inside the SEC (recruiting, bad fit). They had that whole turmoil going on there culturally - on campus and in the lockerroom. I may be wrong, but I don't believe Odom was responsible for any of that.

That said, I want a hungry offensive coach. Why mess with the formula? Again.

We have a coach.

There is basically a zero chance Deon Sanders would come here from JSU.

If Ryan were to step down , the best candidate to succeed here is unknown to 99% of the fan base here

Not sure what that has to do with the Odom post, but whatever.

Yes, we have a coach - probably for about 365 more days. If we don't fire him this year, I am mostly convinced we will have to fire him next year after another 6-6 season and very bad attendance. I just hope that it's not too far in the ditch that someone can still get it out.

There is absolutely zero chance Deion comes here if we don't fire Ryan. If we do fire Ryan and made a run at Deion, I believe there is a very good chance he would come here; there's more evidence he would than that he would not.

Usually I believe our football hires are unknown until they are announced. Best candidates though? Not sure. Fuente and Norvell were certainly not widely known - and Porter & Ryan were - so you have that working for you. But I believe West was pretty good and he was well known. My memory is fuzzy on how well known the rest were.

OTOH basketball has been different. Penny was well known. Tubby was nationally well known, but not really known to be a candidate. Pastner was the opposite - unknown nationally, but well known to be a candidate. Cal was well known. Tic was not.

So I guess it's a mixed bag on candidate profile and success here.

I’ve said this a million times. I don’t see us firing him as long as he keeps making bowl games. We gave Rip 6 years and he never won 6 games. We let Tommy West go only after he stopped making bowls. Porter was the one outlier. I just don’t see it. Especially now with the latest round of conference realignment being over.

(11-25-2022 12:45 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:17 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 06:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Odom had bad timing at Mizzou, on top of the other challenges that program has inside the SEC (recruiting, bad fit). They had that whole turmoil going on there culturally - on campus and in the lockerroom. I may be wrong, but I don't believe Odom was responsible for any of that.

That said, I want a hungry offensive coach. Why mess with the formula? Again.

We have a coach.

There is basically a zero chance Deon Sanders would come here from JSU.

If Ryan were to step down , the best candidate to succeed here is unknown to 99% of the fan base here

Not sure what that has to do with the Odom post, but whatever.

Yes, we have a coach - probably for about 365 more days. If we don't fire him this year, I am mostly convinced we will have to fire him next year after another 6-6 season and very bad attendance. I just hope that it's not too far in the ditch that someone can still get it out.

There is absolutely zero chance Deion comes here if we don't fire Ryan. If we do fire Ryan and made a run at Deion, I believe there is a very good chance he would come here; there's more evidence he would than that he would not.

Usually I believe our football hires are unknown until they are announced. Best candidates though? Not sure. Fuente and Norvell were certainly not widely known - and Porter & Ryan were - so you have that working for you. But I believe West was pretty good and he was well known. My memory is fuzzy on how well known the rest were.

OTOH basketball has been different. Penny was well known. Tubby was nationally well known, but not really known to be a candidate. Pastner was the opposite - unknown nationally, but well known to be a candidate. Cal was well known. Tic was not.

So I guess it's a mixed bag on candidate profile and success here.

I’ve said this a million times. I don’t see us firing him as long as he keeps making bowl games. We gave Rip 6 years and he never won 6 games. We let Tommy West go only after he stopped making bowls. Porter was the one outlier. I just don’t see it. Especially now with the latest round of conference realignment being over.

Rip was not handed a squad coming off a Cotton Bowl. Too, the schedule he played was brutal compared to the pillowy soft slate Silverfield has been handed… its just not an apples to apples comparison. Tommy West was really the 1st coach to enjoy the easier road to bowl eligibility.

How about Matt Entz?

FedEx is hiring.

(11-25-2022 12:45 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:17 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 06:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Odom had bad timing at Mizzou, on top of the other challenges that program has inside the SEC (recruiting, bad fit). They had that whole turmoil going on there culturally - on campus and in the lockerroom. I may be wrong, but I don't believe Odom was responsible for any of that.

That said, I want a hungry offensive coach. Why mess with the formula? Again.

We have a coach.

There is basically a zero chance Deon Sanders would come here from JSU.

If Ryan were to step down , the best candidate to succeed here is unknown to 99% of the fan base here

Not sure what that has to do with the Odom post, but whatever.

Yes, we have a coach - probably for about 365 more days. If we don't fire him this year, I am mostly convinced we will have to fire him next year after another 6-6 season and very bad attendance. I just hope that it's not too far in the ditch that someone can still get it out.

There is absolutely zero chance Deion comes here if we don't fire Ryan. If we do fire Ryan and made a run at Deion, I believe there is a very good chance he would come here; there's more evidence he would than that he would not.

Usually I believe our football hires are unknown until they are announced. Best candidates though? Not sure. Fuente and Norvell were certainly not widely known - and Porter & Ryan were - so you have that working for you. But I believe West was pretty good and he was well known. My memory is fuzzy on how well known the rest were.

OTOH basketball has been different. Penny was well known. Tubby was nationally well known, but not really known to be a candidate. Pastner was the opposite - unknown nationally, but well known to be a candidate. Cal was well known. Tic was not.

So I guess it's a mixed bag on candidate profile and success here.

I’ve said this a million times. I don’t see us firing him as long as he keeps making bowl games. We gave Rip 6 years and he never won 6 games. We let Tommy West go only after he stopped making bowls. Porter was the one outlier. I just don’t see it. Especially now with the latest round of conference realignment being over.

Conference realignment is not over - still a lot of reporting smoke out there for moves to come.
It's a new era in Memphis fb from the Rip-Tommy days.
Fuente and Norvell showed we are capable of averaging 35k in attendance.
20k crowds will cost the university too much $$ to allow it to continue.
He will probably get a 1-year stay of execution this year, but another 6-win season next year will do it.

(11-25-2022 12:45 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:17 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 06:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Odom had bad timing at Mizzou, on top of the other challenges that program has inside the SEC (recruiting, bad fit). They had that whole turmoil going on there culturally - on campus and in the lockerroom. I may be wrong, but I don't believe Odom was responsible for any of that.

That said, I want a hungry offensive coach. Why mess with the formula? Again.

We have a coach.

There is basically a zero chance Deon Sanders would come here from JSU.

If Ryan were to step down , the best candidate to succeed here is unknown to 99% of the fan base here

Not sure what that has to do with the Odom post, but whatever.

Yes, we have a coach - probably for about 365 more days. If we don't fire him this year, I am mostly convinced we will have to fire him next year after another 6-6 season and very bad attendance. I just hope that it's not too far in the ditch that someone can still get it out.

There is absolutely zero chance Deion comes here if we don't fire Ryan. If we do fire Ryan and made a run at Deion, I believe there is a very good chance he would come here; there's more evidence he would than that he would not.

Usually I believe our football hires are unknown until they are announced. Best candidates though? Not sure. Fuente and Norvell were certainly not widely known - and Porter & Ryan were - so you have that working for you. But I believe West was pretty good and he was well known. My memory is fuzzy on how well known the rest were.

OTOH basketball has been different. Penny was well known. Tubby was nationally well known, but not really known to be a candidate. Pastner was the opposite - unknown nationally, but well known to be a candidate. Cal was well known. Tic was not.

So I guess it's a mixed bag on candidate profile and success here.

I’ve said this a million times. I don’t see us firing him as long as he keeps making bowl games. We gave Rip 6 years and he never won 6 games. We let Tommy West go only after he stopped making bowls. Porter was the one outlier. I just don’t see it. Especially now with the latest round of conference realignment being over.

And that’s exactly why we have been passed over & passed by multiple times by multiple programs over the last 50 yrs & that by several programs that didn’t even play FB 50 yrs ago.

(11-23-2022 07:37 PM)UofMark Wrote:  

(11-23-2022 04:50 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(11-23-2022 03:12 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(11-23-2022 02:58 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Odom was worth a shot in 2015. Now we have more info. We know who he is as a HC.

not really. Some coaches may be more competent at a G5 type job, than a P5 job.
Arkansas will have a set of expectations that a job like Arkansas State wouldn't have for instance.

I don’t ever want a defensive minded coach here. EVER.

The ‘ground chuck’ days of Stobart were legendary

"Ground" Chuck was a figment of the miserable little minds of smart-aleck loser dipsticks in this town. If his name had been John Stobart, there wouldn't have been the cutesy little name and false aura. Isaac Bruce would like a word. Steve Matthews, Russell Copeland.

We hired him from Southern California where he was the OFFENSIVE coordinator, after having served as OFFENSIVE coordinator at Michigan and Miami (I think). After we fired him, he went on to a job as OFFENSIVE coordinator at Ohio State.

(11-26-2022 12:43 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  

(11-23-2022 07:37 PM)UofMark Wrote:  

(11-23-2022 04:50 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(11-23-2022 03:12 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(11-23-2022 02:58 PM)gusrob Wrote:  Odom was worth a shot in 2015. Now we have more info. We know who he is as a HC.

not really. Some coaches may be more competent at a G5 type job, than a P5 job.
Arkansas will have a set of expectations that a job like Arkansas State wouldn't have for instance.

I don’t ever want a defensive minded coach here. EVER.

The ‘ground chuck’ days of Stobart were legendary

"Ground" Chuck was a figment of the miserable little minds of smart-aleck loser dipsticks in this town. If his name had been John Stobart, there wouldn't have been the cutesy little name and false aura. Isaac Bruce would like a word. Steve Matthews, Russell Copeland.

We hired him from Southern California where he was the OFFENSIVE coordinator, after having served as OFFENSIVE coordinator at Michigan and Miami (I think). After we fired him, he went on to a job as OFFENSIVE coordinator at Ohio State.

Stobart had a player walk out, he was a dead man walking after that. I’m not privy to what happened or why but very difficult to come back grom that

Stobart had some of the most talented Memphis teams in my years of following the program. If he played today’s schedule his teams would have consistently won 8-10 games.

(11-26-2022 11:01 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 12:45 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:17 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 06:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Odom had bad timing at Mizzou, on top of the other challenges that program has inside the SEC (recruiting, bad fit). They had that whole turmoil going on there culturally - on campus and in the lockerroom. I may be wrong, but I don't believe Odom was responsible for any of that.

That said, I want a hungry offensive coach. Why mess with the formula? Again.

We have a coach.

There is basically a zero chance Deon Sanders would come here from JSU.

If Ryan were to step down , the best candidate to succeed here is unknown to 99% of the fan base here

Not sure what that has to do with the Odom post, but whatever.

Yes, we have a coach - probably for about 365 more days. If we don't fire him this year, I am mostly convinced we will have to fire him next year after another 6-6 season and very bad attendance. I just hope that it's not too far in the ditch that someone can still get it out.

There is absolutely zero chance Deion comes here if we don't fire Ryan. If we do fire Ryan and made a run at Deion, I believe there is a very good chance he would come here; there's more evidence he would than that he would not.

Usually I believe our football hires are unknown until they are announced. Best candidates though? Not sure. Fuente and Norvell were certainly not widely known - and Porter & Ryan were - so you have that working for you. But I believe West was pretty good and he was well known. My memory is fuzzy on how well known the rest were.

OTOH basketball has been different. Penny was well known. Tubby was nationally well known, but not really known to be a candidate. Pastner was the opposite - unknown nationally, but well known to be a candidate. Cal was well known. Tic was not.

So I guess it's a mixed bag on candidate profile and success here.

I’ve said this a million times. I don’t see us firing him as long as he keeps making bowl games. We gave Rip 6 years and he never won 6 games. We let Tommy West go only after he stopped making bowls. Porter was the one outlier. I just don’t see it. Especially now with the latest round of conference realignment being over.

Conference realignment is not over - still a lot of reporting smoke out there for moves to come.
It's a new era in Memphis fb from the Rip-Tommy days.
Fuente and Norvell showed we are capable of averaging 35k in attendance.
20k crowds will cost the university too much $$ to allow it to continue.
He will probably get a 1-year stay of execution this year, but another 6-win season next year will do it.

With the BIG K--Bartlett--CBHS--MIDDLETON on the schedule---no way we don't win 6

Freeze to Auburn.

We could actually have had both Pearl and Freeze here.

They are at Auburn.

Not exactly a shining moment for our past decisions.

(EDIT TO ADD: I would probably have opposed both at the time. What do I know?)

(11-28-2022 05:21 PM)Claw Wrote:  Freeze to Auburn.

We could actually have had both Pearl and Freeze here.

They are at Auburn.

Not exactly a shining moment for our past decisions.

(EDIT TO ADD: I would probably have opposed both at the time. What do I know?)

Does it really matter if we'd had them here? They would be at Auburn now anyway because we can't keep winning coaches here - they move up and out if they are worth it and hang around if they are not.

(11-28-2022 05:21 PM)Claw Wrote:  Freeze to Auburn.

We could actually have had both Pearl and Freeze here.

They are at Auburn.

Not exactly a shining moment for our past decisions.

(EDIT TO ADD: I would probably have opposed both at the time. What do I know?)

We could have had Freeze as women's basketball coach.

Let that sink in.

He would have never made it to Old Mrs had we hired him for that position. He would still be in jail.

The university is too woke to hire EITHER Freeze or Pearl ----- we look down our nose at both----while they continue to turn other programs around by winning . Both would have been home run hires--------------reminds me of years ago when Larry Lacewell wanted to coach the TIGERS---he didn't even have the so-called baggage associated with Pearl/Freeze ---but the university thought Lacewell was beneath us--------------we are our own worst enemy

(11-28-2022 06:52 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  The university is too woke to hire EITHER Freeze or Pearl ----- we look down our nose at both----while they continue to turn other programs around by winning . Both would have been home run hires--------------reminds me of years ago when Larry Lacewell wanted to coach the TIGERS---he didn't even have the so-called baggage associated with Pearl/Freeze ---but the university thought Lacewell was beneath us--------------we are our own worst enemy

JRsec is not happy with the Freeze hire. lol

https://csnbbs.com/thread-960447.html

(11-25-2022 12:45 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:17 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 06:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Odom had bad timing at Mizzou, on top of the other challenges that program has inside the SEC (recruiting, bad fit). They had that whole turmoil going on there culturally - on campus and in the lockerroom. I may be wrong, but I don't believe Odom was responsible for any of that.

That said, I want a hungry offensive coach. Why mess with the formula? Again.

We have a coach.

There is basically a zero chance Deon Sanders would come here from JSU.

If Ryan were to step down , the best candidate to succeed here is unknown to 99% of the fan base here

Not sure what that has to do with the Odom post, but whatever.

Yes, we have a coach - probably for about 365 more days. If we don't fire him this year, I am mostly convinced we will have to fire him next year after another 6-6 season and very bad attendance. I just hope that it's not too far in the ditch that someone can still get it out.

There is absolutely zero chance Deion comes here if we don't fire Ryan. If we do fire Ryan and made a run at Deion, I believe there is a very good chance he would come here; there's more evidence he would than that he would not.

Usually I believe our football hires are unknown until they are announced. Best candidates though? Not sure. Fuente and Norvell were certainly not widely known - and Porter & Ryan were - so you have that working for you. But I believe West was pretty good and he was well known. My memory is fuzzy on how well known the rest were.

OTOH basketball has been different. Penny was well known. Tubby was nationally well known, but not really known to be a candidate. Pastner was the opposite - unknown nationally, but well known to be a candidate. Cal was well known. Tic was not.

So I guess it's a mixed bag on candidate profile and success here.

I’ve said this a million times. I don’t see us firing him as long as he keeps making bowl games. We gave Rip 6 years and he never won 6 games. We let Tommy West go only after he stopped making bowls. Porter was the one outlier. I just don’t see it. Especially now with the latest round of conference realignment being over.

Yall have got to stop assessing the current situation in comparison to the past with regard to if and when we would fire a coach. It MAY be the same, but it may not, because Shirley ain't here, RC ain't here, Rudd ain't here, and Bowen ain't here NO MOE.

(11-28-2022 05:32 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 05:21 PM)Claw Wrote:  Freeze to Auburn.

We could actually have had both Pearl and Freeze here.

They are at Auburn.

Not exactly a shining moment for our past decisions.

(EDIT TO ADD: I would probably have opposed both at the time. What do I know?)

Does it really matter if we'd had them here? They would be at Auburn now anyway because we can't keep winning coaches here - they move up and out if they are worth it and hang around if they are not.

Pearl would have stayed here rather than Auburn. In fact, there was a time we could have probably hired him away from Auburn.
As someone else said, Freeze would be in jail had he come here - or at least he would have a show cause and be out of coaching.