(12-06-2022 11:23 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 10:53 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(12-05-2022 04:40 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

TC Williams...2nd team state...looks like a monster at 6 feet 200 - I know we are deep at RB but would have liked to see what he can do next year

3 seasons, no carries. Must have been 8th on the depth chart

Percy, Latrele, Kaelon, Solomon, Wayne/Peyton/Sammy

There have been plenty of times we could have used another RB as well. The fact that he still didn't see time is all I need to know.
Best of luck to him.

(12-06-2022 10:48 AM)DooX Wrote:  

Quote:A school can pull the scholarship of a non-transfer athlete for entering the portal, but transfers will now have their athletic aid protected if they enter the portal. A school can pull an athlete’s scholarship for serious misconduct, but not if they become academically ineligible or voluntarily withdraw from the team.

From one of the links above. So someone can transfer and then immediately withdraw from the team but will still receive their scholarship until they graduate? Wow.

Schools will no longer want to take a flier on a kid in the portal to see if they work out. This is also going to increase the number of kids that think the grass is always greener and end up without a home.

(12-06-2022 12:17 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 10:48 AM)DooX Wrote:  

Quote:A school can pull the scholarship of a non-transfer athlete for entering the portal, but transfers will now have their athletic aid protected if they enter the portal. A school can pull an athlete’s scholarship for serious misconduct, but not if they become academically ineligible or voluntarily withdraw from the team.

From one of the links above. So someone can transfer and then immediately withdraw from the team but will still receive their scholarship until they graduate? Wow.

Schools will no longer want to take a flier on a kid in the portal to see if they work out. This is also going to increase the number of kids that think the grass is always greener and end up without a home.

The new rules overall seem like a step in the right direction and might slow down the portal madness a bit.

One observation though is that if schools can't "take a flier" and kids don't enter the portal without a home, then it seems the norm will be for everyone to make their arrangements ahead of time outside the portal.

That feels like it will make what used to be considered "tampering" under NCAA rules the norm. The purpose of the portal was originally to make it all above board with an open market so to speak instead of behind the scenes stuff going on. Unintended consequences?

I don't know that players need to know exactly where they are going, but they do need guidance on whether entering the portal is opening them up to the possibility that they will not have a ship going forward. At this point you have way too many guys entering and not finding a home. Some of this players being pushed, but a lot of it is unrealistic kids who have been told their whole life that they are the best at something and don't have the life skills to understand that it may be better to keep working rather than just moving at first sign of things not going there way.

(12-06-2022 12:49 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  I don't know that players need to know exactly where they are going, but they do need guidance on whether entering the portal is opening them up to the possibility that they will not have a ship going forward. At this point you have way too many guys entering and not finding a home. Some of this players being pushed, but a lot of it is unrealistic kids who have been told their whole life that they are the best at something and don't have the life skills to understand that it may be better to keep working rather than just moving at first sign of things not going there way.

The whole concept is very tricky to make work well for everyone. My understanding is all players are at risk unless they've prearranged something, which I believe is still technically an NCAA violation.

Our coaches at caravan last year pretty directly stated that there had been some obvious tampering. And I believe the NCAA has said they intend to investigate and pursue tampering cases with respect to the portal.

So ... it seems like there aren't a lot of good options for players that want to just "explore options" unless they are willing to risk losing their existing scholly. That feels to me like its going to increase involvement of shady agents, etc.

The transfer portal presents some real important life decisions for young athletes. While there may be a positive outcome for them, there well may be a negative outcome. The lesson is decide carefully. While it is the athlete's decision, they must accept the consequences of that decision, good or bad. For despite the all the advice they may receive from family and friends, they are going to have to live with the results. None of the "advisers" is going to live the consequences, just the athlete.

(12-06-2022 01:04 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 12:49 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  I don't know that players need to know exactly where they are going, but they do need guidance on whether entering the portal is opening them up to the possibility that they will not have a ship going forward. At this point you have way too many guys entering and not finding a home. Some of this players being pushed, but a lot of it is unrealistic kids who have been told their whole life that they are the best at something and don't have the life skills to understand that it may be better to keep working rather than just moving at first sign of things not going there way.

The whole concept is very tricky to make work well for everyone. My understanding is all players are at risk unless they've prearranged something, which I believe is still technically an NCAA violation.

Our coaches at caravan last year pretty directly stated that there had been some obvious tampering. And I believe the NCAA has said they intend to investigate and pursue tampering cases with respect to the portal.

So ... it seems like there aren't a lot of good options for players that want to just "explore options" unless they are willing to risk losing their existing scholly. That feels to me like its going to increase involvement of shady agents, etc.

I agree the situation is ripe for tampering. But I have no confidence the NCAA can/will do anything to stop it. At this point, that organization has about as much authority as a mall security guard- at least with regard to the P5 schools.

Ideally you'd want the kids and coaches to be open and honest with each other to the point a player could go "I'd like to explore other options that could get me more playing time/exposure/whatever and I want to go about looking for that better fit the right way. If the best fit is still here though I'd like to stay, will I still have a scholarship if I enter the portal and remove myself later?"

If you're a coach that's big on a culture of guys being all in and only want guys who really want to be there though, like Cig seems to be, you might not like the idea of promising that kid his scholarship if he doesn't find what he's looking for elsewhere.

(12-06-2022 01:32 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Ideally you'd want the kids and coaches to be open and honest with each other to the point a player could go "I'd like to explore other options that could get me more playing time/exposure/whatever and I want to go about looking for that better fit the right way. If the best fit is still here though I'd like to stay, will I still have a scholarship if I enter the portal and remove myself later?"

If you're a coach that's big on a culture of guys being all in and only want guys who really want to be there though, like Cig seems to be, you might not like the idea of promising that kid his scholarship if he doesn't find what he's looking for elsewhere.

It sounds nice, but I don't think works in practice. Believe many/most schools pull the scholarship because they feel they need to immediately backfill that spot. Additionally, if there are no consequences, you could have half the team in the portal, just to see if an Alabama or OSU might toss them an offer.

It's being reported that over 800 players entered the portal on Monday. Seems we are way below average on outbound side.

(12-06-2022 02:30 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  It's being reported that over 800 players entered the portal on Monday. Seems we are way below average on outbound side.

Honestly, not that surprised. I think these numbers are probably closer to what they will normally be in the future.
I may be way off on that, but it seems like the "new car smell" of the transfer portal is wearing off. Probably due to many transferring when they probably shouldn't have and it coming back to bite them.
The grass isn't always greener and maybe some are seeing that is the case.
The portal isn't going away, that's for sure.

I think JMU has probably been playing the NIL game a bit on the cautious side, especially with players being tampered. Wouldn't surprise me if the NCAA starts putting the hammer down on the way that is done. Also think some schools may get penalized in the future without realizing they were doing anything wrong and those penalties could be quite painful.

(12-06-2022 03:07 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-06-2022 02:30 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  It's being reported that over 800 players entered the portal on Monday. Seems we are way below average on outbound side.

Honestly, not that surprised. I think these numbers are probably closer to what they will normally be in the future.
I may be way off on that, but it seems like the "new car smell" of the transfer portal is wearing off. Probably due to many transferring when they probably shouldn't have and it coming back to bite them.
The grass isn't always greener and maybe some are seeing that is the case.
The portal isn't going away, that's for sure.

I think JMU has probably been playing the NIL game a bit on the cautious side, especially with players being tampered. Wouldn't surprise me if the NCAA starts putting the hammer down on the way that is done. Also think some schools may get penalized in the future without realizing they were doing anything wrong and those penalties could be quite painful.

I highly doubt it, you can’t let them run like the Wild West then come back and try to police it. I think they should be more fearful of the IRS than the NCAA.

It would be an interesting study to determine the percentage of players who go into the portal in search of greener grass vs. those who have been 'encouraged' by their current school that it might be in their best interests to seek an opportunity elsewhere. Of those who are willingly giving up a scholarship of their own accord, it would further be interesting to understand what percentage of those are then left without a chair when the music stops. If that 2nd number turns out to be pretty high, maybe it would dissuade some from jumping in.

Terrance Greene out.

Declaring for the nfl draft.

I thought he was out of eligibility, but that announcement makes it sound like he could have come back.

WR is very thin next year.

He was listed as a grad transfer on the roster. His bio also states that he played five seasons at Monmouth, so that seems to indicate he is out of eligibility as this would be his extra Covid year.

https://jmusports.com/sports/football/ro...-jr-/17806

(12-07-2022 12:56 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Terrance Greene out.

Declaring for the nfl draft.

I thought he was out of eligibility, but that announcement makes it sound like he could have come back.

WR is very thin next year.

Where did you see he announced for the draft? If I’m not mistaken they might have pushed these things out on social media last off-season as well and I thought it was odd as anyone that exhausted their eligibility was technically open to be drafted and you don’t need to make such a formal announcement. I chalked it up as another side effect of Covid because eligibility wasn’t so clear and some guys didn’t want to utilize their extra year, but Greene has been in college 6 years and played 5 seasons, he used all of his up and is done.

Portal tracker (all schools):

https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/football/2023/

JMU:

https://www.on3.com/college/james-madiso...ball/2023/

Good luck to Terrance!! Really enjoyed watching him play this year and think he'll get a real shot

(12-07-2022 02:08 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Portal tracker (all schools):

https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/wire/football/2023/

JMU:

https://www.on3.com/college/james-madiso...ball/2023/

First I’ve seen a list of portal players with a listed NIL value next to their name. And where is the line listing whether the player requires milkshakes or some other perk, like a bowl of green M&Ms, or two Vegas escorts for his off-campus apartment. Jeez Louise.

Tell me again this is an amateur sport!

We have Sproles coming in and a TON of other TP players we've offered are WRs. I think a couple of our incoming freshmen could challenge to play immediately also. We're definitely losing a big portion of this year's receiving productivity, but our coaching staff knew that and have already recruited replacements.

HS WR commits for next year
Yamir Knight, 5-9 180 (2 star according to Rivals)
Ibrahim Barry, 6-4 185
Chris Lofton, 5-10 165 (3 star according to On3)
Tevin Tucker, 6-1 185

And here's transfer portal offers