2018:
EMU(7-6) 26-28
Buffalo(10-4) 17-31
NIU(8-6) 15-38

2019:
BGSU(3-9) 7-20
Ball St(5-7) 14-52
NIU(5-7) 28-31
U Buffalo(8-5) 30-49
CMU(8-6) 7-49

2020:
WMU(4-2) 38-41
Ball St(7-1) 24-27

2021:
NIU(9-5) 20-22
CMU(9-4) 23-26
EMU(7-6) 49-52

2022:
Buffalo(5-5) 27-34
BGSU(6-5) 35-42

Bowls 0-3

Sadly thats best in the MAC though... Listen to Holy Bovine. Better than losing to UB by 20 at home, NIU at home by 29, and Toledo at home with the backup QB. Thats the next best team on our side.

(11-18-2022 03:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Sadly thats best in the MAC though... Listen to Holy Bovine. Better than losing to UB by 20 at home, NIU at home by 29, and Toledo at home with the backup QB. Thats the next best team on our side.

Things cycle. MAC football was bad in the 80's, got good to very good during the next two decades, and is now back to suck. Seven years - and Candle's system is peaking. If we had Candle back in the 90's there's no way we'd have a winning record. You were here when we used to get ranked in the Top 25. Sure, we always crapped down our leg as soon as we broke the Top 20 but we were getting national recognition. You were here when we used to beat P5 Schools. You were here when we beat Top 25 schools. Please stop lowering your expectations. I didn't expect to beat Ohio State. Sure, it would've been nice to be competitive. Hell, it would've been nice to keep them below 70 points. Most teams have a letdown game so I'll concede another loss. As crappy as the MAC is, we should be 9-2 and shouldn't even be worried about losing the MACC. We may not be as talented as we once were but we still have the players to win. The problem is the coaching. We can be better.

(11-19-2022 04:03 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(11-18-2022 03:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Sadly thats best in the MAC though... Listen to Holy Bovine. Better than losing to UB by 20 at home, NIU at home by 29, and Toledo at home with the backup QB. Thats the next best team on our side.

Things cycle. MAC football was bad in the 80's, got good to very good during the next two decades, and is now back to suck. Seven years - and Candle's system is peaking. If we had Candle back in the 90's there's no way we'd have a winning record. You were here when we used to get ranked in the Top 25. Sure, we always crapped down our leg as soon as we broke the Top 20 but we were getting national recognition.

"You were here when we used to beat P5 Schools. You were here when we beat Top 25 schools. Please stop lowering your expectations."

This is the MAIN reason fans think like you. We all remember moments. Moments that happened once or twice a season...

Campbell had UC x2, ISU x2, Missouri x2, Florida, and Arkansas in 4 seasons.

In 7 seasons Candle has had Kentucky, ND, and Ohio State. THATS IT. WE DONT BEAT P5s BECAUSE MOB DIDNT SCHEDULE ANY!!!

I was on the field when Campbel lost to a Florida team who lost to FCS Georgia Southern. He lost to a 4 win ISU team. He started off 41-0 to Cincy on the road. Obviously we capitalized with some very good games, but even HE couldnt win the MAC West.

We think in moments and Candles MOB schedule with SDSUs, BYU's, CSUs and Fresno States wouldnt move the needle even if we won em all.

My expectations are win the MAC, and in that season after I re up them to be competitive with the top G5 dudes. We havent won the MAC since Woodside played all 14 games in a season. No QB has been healthy since. That position matters when we recruit adjacent with the conference.

We pay our guy 86th in the country. MY Expectations are based in reality with an AAC who outspends the sh!t out of us. 86th head coach cant play top 25 ball with any regularity. If you do, your coach is gone. UCF just lost to Navy today. The G5 rep may have 2 losses. Find the greener grass. Its on another continent. Maybe in Savage Arena hopefully.

(11-19-2022 04:03 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(11-18-2022 03:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Sadly thats best in the MAC though... Listen to Holy Bovine. Better than losing to UB by 20 at home, NIU at home by 29, and Toledo at home with the backup QB. Thats the next best team on our side.

Things cycle. MAC football was bad in the 80's, got good to very good during the next two decades, and is now back to suck. Seven years - and Candle's system is peaking. If we had Candle back in the 90's there's no way we'd have a winning record. You were here when we used to get ranked in the Top 25. Sure, we always crapped down our leg as soon as we broke the Top 20 but we were getting national recognition. You were here when we used to beat P5 Schools. You were here when we beat Top 25 schools. Please stop lowering your expectations. I didn't expect to beat Ohio State. Sure, it would've been nice to be competitive. Hell, it would've been nice to keep them below 70 points. Most teams have a letdown game so I'll concede another loss. As crappy as the MAC is, we should be 9-2 and shouldn't even be worried about losing the MACC. We may not be as talented as we once were but we still have the players to win. The problem is the coaching. We can be better.

Clock management has always been a major problem with Candle. The other night may have been the worst ever. Maddox caught a pass over the middle at the BG 32 with 1:49 on the clock. UT had all 3 TO’s…. in this case, the clock is NOT and issue for UT. The clock is ONLY an issue for BG. What does UT do ? Rush downfield and get lined-up and rush the snap with 27 seconds left on the play clock. If anything Toledo should have forced BG to use its 2 TO’s. IMO that was what cost UT the game. Kids played their butts off to get back in the game. Really tough to see that ending that didn’t need to happen.

(11-19-2022 05:07 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 04:03 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(11-18-2022 03:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Sadly thats best in the MAC though... Listen to Holy Bovine. Better than losing to UB by 20 at home, NIU at home by 29, and Toledo at home with the backup QB. Thats the next best team on our side.

Things cycle. MAC football was bad in the 80's, got good to very good during the next two decades, and is now back to suck. Seven years - and Candle's system is peaking. If we had Candle back in the 90's there's no way we'd have a winning record. You were here when we used to get ranked in the Top 25. Sure, we always crapped down our leg as soon as we broke the Top 20 but we were getting national recognition.

"You were here when we used to beat P5 Schools. You were here when we beat Top 25 schools. Please stop lowering your expectations."

This is the MAIN reason fans think like you. We all remember moments. Moments that happened once or twice a season...

You took a survey did you? Seriously? You of all are going to not only tell people what they think but why they think it? Why would YOU think you have any idea how others think and why they think? What's your credibility? What are you paid to do?

Since you're going to tell others what to do and how to think, back at ya.

Just go with it and be a bit less cringy. He's not a good head coach. He sucks as a head coach, let alone for the $$$. But he's our coach and he's not going away.

(11-19-2022 05:14 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:07 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 04:03 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(11-18-2022 03:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Sadly thats best in the MAC though... Listen to Holy Bovine. Better than losing to UB by 20 at home, NIU at home by 29, and Toledo at home with the backup QB. Thats the next best team on our side.

Things cycle. MAC football was bad in the 80's, got good to very good during the next two decades, and is now back to suck. Seven years - and Candle's system is peaking. If we had Candle back in the 90's there's no way we'd have a winning record. You were here when we used to get ranked in the Top 25. Sure, we always crapped down our leg as soon as we broke the Top 20 but we were getting national recognition.

"You were here when we used to beat P5 Schools. You were here when we beat Top 25 schools. Please stop lowering your expectations."

This is the MAIN reason fans think like you. We all remember moments. Moments that happened once or twice a season...

You took a survey did you? Seriously? You of all are going to not only tell people what they think but why they think it? Why would YOU think you have any idea how others think and why they think? What's your credibility? What are you paid to do?

Since you're going to tell others what to do and how to think, back at ya.

Just go with it and be a bit less cringy. He's not a good head coach. He sucks as a head coach, let alone for the $$$. But he's our coach and he's not going away.

McElwain and Creighton suck harder. Thats the only point needed to be made.

We pay more for our coach because we have 20,027 fans in mid November and Ball State has 250. He cant beat P5s when we dont have em on the schedule. We pay more for our coach because we make more money as a program and he is doing what hes paid to do. I hate the effing losses to our rival. In the end od the day we are playing for the ship.

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:14 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:07 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 04:03 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(11-18-2022 03:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Sadly thats best in the MAC though... Listen to Holy Bovine. Better than losing to UB by 20 at home, NIU at home by 29, and Toledo at home with the backup QB. Thats the next best team on our side.

Things cycle. MAC football was bad in the 80's, got good to very good during the next two decades, and is now back to suck. Seven years - and Candle's system is peaking. If we had Candle back in the 90's there's no way we'd have a winning record. You were here when we used to get ranked in the Top 25. Sure, we always crapped down our leg as soon as we broke the Top 20 but we were getting national recognition.

"You were here when we used to beat P5 Schools. You were here when we beat Top 25 schools. Please stop lowering your expectations."

This is the MAIN reason fans think like you. We all remember moments. Moments that happened once or twice a season...

You took a survey did you? Seriously? You of all are going to not only tell people what they think but why they think it? Why would YOU think you have any idea how others think and why they think? What's your credibility? What are you paid to do?

Since you're going to tell others what to do and how to think, back at ya.

Just go with it and be a bit less cringy. He's not a good head coach. He sucks as a head coach, let alone for the $$$. But he's our coach and he's not going away.

McElwain and Creighton suck harder. Thats the only point needed to be made.

We pay more for our coach because we have 20,027 fans in mid November and Ball State has 250. He cant beat P5s when we dont have em on the schedule. We pay more for our coach because we make more money as a program and he is doing what hes paid to do. I hate the effing losses to our rival. In the end od the day we are playing for the ship.

We're "for the ship." cringe
What are you paid to do? Why do you think you are expert on what others think and why they think it? In the end of day, that's all I asked. Why'd you respond if you're not going to answer?

(11-19-2022 05:33 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:14 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:07 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 04:03 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  Things cycle. MAC football was bad in the 80's, got good to very good during the next two decades, and is now back to suck. Seven years - and Candle's system is peaking. If we had Candle back in the 90's there's no way we'd have a winning record. You were here when we used to get ranked in the Top 25. Sure, we always crapped down our leg as soon as we broke the Top 20 but we were getting national recognition.

"You were here when we used to beat P5 Schools. You were here when we beat Top 25 schools. Please stop lowering your expectations."

This is the MAIN reason fans think like you. We all remember moments. Moments that happened once or twice a season...

You took a survey did you? Seriously? You of all are going to not only tell people what they think but why they think it? Why would YOU think you have any idea how others think and why they think? What's your credibility? What are you paid to do?

Since you're going to tell others what to do and how to think, back at ya.

Just go with it and be a bit less cringy. He's not a good head coach. He sucks as a head coach, let alone for the $$$. But he's our coach and he's not going away.

McElwain and Creighton suck harder. Thats the only point needed to be made.

We pay more for our coach because we have 20,027 fans in mid November and Ball State has 250. He cant beat P5s when we dont have em on the schedule. We pay more for our coach because we make more money as a program and he is doing what hes paid to do. I hate the effing losses to our rival. In the end od the day we are playing for the ship.

We're "for the ship." cringe
What are you paid to do? Why do you think you are expert on what others think and why they think it? In the end of day, that's all I asked. Why'd you respond if you're not going to answer?

Why do you speak in riddles, and feel the need to moral police this board?

(11-19-2022 05:07 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 04:03 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(11-18-2022 03:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Sadly thats best in the MAC though... Listen to Holy Bovine. Better than losing to UB by 20 at home, NIU at home by 29, and Toledo at home with the backup QB. Thats the next best team on our side.

Things cycle. MAC football was bad in the 80's, got good to very good during the next two decades, and is now back to suck. Seven years - and Candle's system is peaking. If we had Candle back in the 90's there's no way we'd have a winning record. You were here when we used to get ranked in the Top 25. Sure, we always crapped down our leg as soon as we broke the Top 20 but we were getting national recognition.

"You were here when we used to beat P5 Schools. You were here when we beat Top 25 schools. Please stop lowering your expectations."

This is the MAIN reason fans think like you. We all remember moments. Moments that happened once or twice a season...

Campbell had UC x2, ISU x2, Missouri x2, Florida, and Arkansas in 4 seasons.

In 7 seasons Candle has had Kentucky, ND, and Ohio State. THATS IT. WE DONT BEAT P5s BECAUSE MOB DIDNT SCHEDULE ANY!!!

I was on the field when Campbel lost to a Florida team who lost to FCS Georgia Southern. He lost to a 4 win ISU team. He started off 41-0 to Cincy on the road. Obviously we capitalized with some very good games, but even HE couldnt win the MAC West.

We think in moments and Candles MOB schedule with SDSUs, BYU's, CSUs and Fresno States wouldnt move the needle even if we won em all.

My expectations are win the MAC, and in that season after I re up them to be competitive with the top G5 dudes. We havent won the MAC since Woodside played all 14 games in a season. No QB has been healthy since. That position matters when we recruit adjacent with the conference.

We pay our guy 86th in the country. MY Expectations are based in reality with an AAC who outspends the sh!t out of us. 86th head coach cant play top 25 ball with any regularity. If you do, your coach is gone. UCF just lost to Navy today. The G5 rep may have 2 losses. Find the greener grass. Its on another continent. Maybe in Savage Arena hopefully.

Well it looks like we are in agreement about MOB. He was a great AD but he stayed about 4 or 5 years too long. Campbell might not have won a MACC but he was only here for 2 seasons. He was the youngest head coach at his hiring and his learning curve looks pretty good. Candle's looks sort of flat to me. Frankly, I wasn't all that excited about either hire. It would be nice if Toledo could hire an Urban Meyer-type coach from a Bowling Green-type school, (Utah was a MWC school at that time) but that's far-fetched. If we hire an assistant coach with no head coaching experience, we should at least be looking at assistants from championship programs IMO. I'm not suggesting Candle be fired, I just don't want his contract extended. I don't like what has become of college football, but if your coach doesn't get a P5 job before his contract is up, he's probably no better than fair. You say I'm remembering moments and I am. But you seem to be remembering an era when you hired a coach and they stayed at your school for ever and ever. That might happen at FCS which frankly is looking better to me every time I walk out of a football stadium at 12:30am on a Tuesday/Wednesday in a 20 degree snow squall in November.

Candle's Contract

(11-19-2022 06:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:33 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:14 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:07 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  .


This is the MAIN reason fans think like you. We all remember moments. Moments that happened once or twice a season...

You took a survey did you? Seriously? You of all are going to not only tell people what they think but why they think it? Why would YOU think you have any idea how others think and why they think? What's your credibility? What are you paid to do?

Since you're going to tell others what to do and how to think, back at ya.

Just go with it and be a bit less cringy. He's not a good head coach. He sucks as a head coach, let alone for the $$$. But he's our coach and he's not going away.

McElwain and Creighton suck harder. Thats the only point needed to be made.

We pay more for our coach because we have 20,027 fans in mid November and Ball State has 250. He cant beat P5s when we dont have em on the schedule. We pay more for our coach because we make more money as a program and he is doing what hes paid to do. I hate the effing losses to our rival. In the end od the day we are playing for the ship.

We're "for the ship." cringe
What are you paid to do? Why do you think you are expert on what others think and why they think it? In the end of day, that's all I asked. Why'd you respond if you're not going to answer?

Why do you speak in riddles, and feel the need to moral police this board?

Why do you continue to imply that other posters on this board are too stupid to see it is exactly you and the synchophants that are moral policing? YOU are the one trying to tell people what they think and why they think it. WHEN given the opportunity to explain how you are paid, what your expertise, you defer, distract and generally coward and cringe.

Potts, MBG, Magoo, You attacking anyone that doesn't accept the rosy picture you're paid to paint. How about your little group stop implying people cannot see reality? The record sucks. Candle's record against even MAC teams with winning records is "the end of day."

I don't wish him bad. I think extending his contract under any extortion is a good reason to get another AD. We will recover a bad recruiting year under a lame duck as all programs do. If he performs well enough next year, give him a reasonable pay-cut offer of a new contract if he wants to stay or wish him well. Recruit a promising new coach and players will transfer in with him.

(11-19-2022 06:34 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:07 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 04:03 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(11-18-2022 03:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Sadly thats best in the MAC though... Listen to Holy Bovine. Better than losing to UB by 20 at home, NIU at home by 29, and Toledo at home with the backup QB. Thats the next best team on our side.

Things cycle. MAC football was bad in the 80's, got good to very good during the next two decades, and is now back to suck. Seven years - and Candle's system is peaking. If we had Candle back in the 90's there's no way we'd have a winning record. You were here when we used to get ranked in the Top 25. Sure, we always crapped down our leg as soon as we broke the Top 20 but we were getting national recognition.

"You were here when we used to beat P5 Schools. You were here when we beat Top 25 schools. Please stop lowering your expectations."

This is the MAIN reason fans think like you. We all remember moments. Moments that happened once or twice a season...

Campbell had UC x2, ISU x2, Missouri x2, Florida, and Arkansas in 4 seasons.

In 7 seasons Candle has had Kentucky, ND, and Ohio State. THATS IT. WE DONT BEAT P5s BECAUSE MOB DIDNT SCHEDULE ANY!!!

I was on the field when Campbel lost to a Florida team who lost to FCS Georgia Southern. He lost to a 4 win ISU team. He started off 41-0 to Cincy on the road. Obviously we capitalized with some very good games, but even HE couldnt win the MAC West.

We think in moments and Candles MOB schedule with SDSUs, BYU's, CSUs and Fresno States wouldnt move the needle even if we won em all.

My expectations are win the MAC, and in that season after I re up them to be competitive with the top G5 dudes. We havent won the MAC since Woodside played all 14 games in a season. No QB has been healthy since. That position matters when we recruit adjacent with the conference.

We pay our guy 86th in the country. MY Expectations are based in reality with an AAC who outspends the sh!t out of us. 86th head coach cant play top 25 ball with any regularity. If you do, your coach is gone. UCF just lost to Navy today. The G5 rep may have 2 losses. Find the greener grass. Its on another continent. Maybe in Savage Arena hopefully.

Well it looks like we are in agreement about MOB. He was a great AD but he stayed about 4 or 5 years too long. Campbell might not have won a MACC but he was only here for 2 seasons. He was the youngest head coach at his hiring and his learning curve looks pretty good. Candle's looks sort of flat to me. Frankly, I wasn't all that excited about either hire. It would be nice if Toledo could hire an Urban Meyer-type coach from a Bowling Green-type school, (Utah was a MWC school at that time) but that's far-fetched. If we hire an assistant coach with no head coaching experience, we should at least be looking at assistants from championship programs IMO. I'm not suggesting Candle be fired, I just don't want his contract extended. I don't like what has become of college football, but if your coach doesn't get a P5 job before his contract is up, he's probably no better than fair. You say I'm remembering moments and I am. But you seem to be remembering an era when you hired a coach and they stayed at your school for ever and ever. That might happen at FCS which frankly is looking better to me every time I walk out of a football stadium at 12:30am on a Tuesday/Wednesday in a 20 degree snow squall in November.

Campbell was here from the Military bowl in 2011, to the WMU game in 2015... He was the OC for Tim Beckman before.

I dont want Candle extended either. If we lose in Detroit I dont want him at all. Thatd be the last straw. Losing to BG was the 2nd to last straw.

Im hanging on AND expecting another MACC. I do not care how it looks. If that happens, he may still not get extended. Im not Brian Blair, and dont know what he thinks at this point in time.

If we do win the MACC, and godforbid win a bowl game, AND pair it with another trip to Detroit in 2023, he will get hired away anyhow.

Not much use in bishing about him every second of a season (not claiming you are), because the outcome of him leaving in some shape or form is happening soon. WVU would be a terrific landing spot.

(11-19-2022 06:59 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 06:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:33 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:14 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  You took a survey did you? Seriously? You of all are going to not only tell people what they think but why they think it? Why would YOU think you have any idea how others think and why they think? What's your credibility? What are you paid to do?

Since you're going to tell others what to do and how to think, back at ya.

Just go with it and be a bit less cringy. He's not a good head coach. He sucks as a head coach, let alone for the $$$. But he's our coach and he's not going away.

McElwain and Creighton suck harder. Thats the only point needed to be made.

We pay more for our coach because we have 20,027 fans in mid November and Ball State has 250. He cant beat P5s when we dont have em on the schedule. We pay more for our coach because we make more money as a program and he is doing what hes paid to do. I hate the effing losses to our rival. In the end od the day we are playing for the ship.

We're "for the ship." cringe
What are you paid to do? Why do you think you are expert on what others think and why they think it? In the end of day, that's all I asked. Why'd you respond if you're not going to answer?

Why do you speak in riddles, and feel the need to moral police this board?

Why do you continue to imply that other posters on this board are too stupid to see it is exactly you and the synchophants that are moral policing? YOU are the one trying to tell people what they think and why they think it. WHEN given the opportunity to explain how you are paid, what your expertise, you defer, distract and generally coward and cringe.

Potts, MBG, Magoo, You attacking anyone that doesn't accept the rosy picture you're paid to paint. How about your little group stop implying people cannot see reality? The record sucks. Candle's record against even MAC teams with winning records is "the end of day."

I QUOTED HIM... THATS WHAT HE THINKS. I DIDNT CLAIM TO GET IN HIS HEAD ABOUT THE GREAT UNKNOWN.

IM NOT PAID TO DO ANYTHING ON THIS BOARD, STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW ME.

(11-19-2022 07:02 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 06:59 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 06:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:33 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  McElwain and Creighton suck harder. Thats the only point needed to be made.

We pay more for our coach because we have 20,027 fans in mid November and Ball State has 250. He cant beat P5s when we dont have em on the schedule. We pay more for our coach because we make more money as a program and he is doing what hes paid to do. I hate the effing losses to our rival. In the end od the day we are playing for the ship.

We're "for the ship." cringe
What are you paid to do? Why do you think you are expert on what others think and why they think it? In the end of day, that's all I asked. Why'd you respond if you're not going to answer?

Why do you speak in riddles, and feel the need to moral police this board?

Why do you continue to imply that other posters on this board are too stupid to see it is exactly you and the synchophants that are moral policing? YOU are the one trying to tell people what they think and why they think it. WHEN given the opportunity to explain how you are paid, what your expertise, you defer, distract and generally coward and cringe.

Potts, MBG, Magoo, You attacking anyone that doesn't accept the rosy picture you're paid to paint. How about your little group stop implying people cannot see reality? The record sucks. Candle's record against even MAC teams with winning records is "the end of day."

I QUOTED HIM... THATS WHAT HE THINKS. I DIDNT CLAIM TO GET IN HIS HEAD ABOUT THE GREAT UNKNOWN.

IM NOT PAID TO DO ANYTHING ON THIS BOARD, STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW ME.

You think editing out the evidence removes it? Changing the focus from what I said to something else?

YOU SAID THIS (ooh, capitals so cringey)

UofToledoFans Wrote:This is the MAIN reason fans think like you.

Exactly your quote trying to tell us how we think and why we think what we do. Why is it so hard for you to admit what you wrote and the meaning of it? Your arrogance astounds so at least back it up. So again, how are you paid? What makes you an expert on what we think and why we think it? Why can you not accept Candles record as the "end all?" It sucks. He's WAY over-paid for performance. 3-10 against teams with winning records and losing twice to the rival, here at home when an over-whelming favorite. Over-paid coaches are let loose for a lot less over less time. Candles losing record against competitent teams extends nearly his entire term.

I just looked at our future ooc schedule and MOB did okay: @Illinois, @Michigan State, @ Maryland, At Kentucky 2x, and Kentucky @home. That might not be as good as he did earlier in his career, but not too bad in today's football environment.

(11-19-2022 07:25 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 07:02 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 06:59 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 06:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 05:33 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  We're "for the ship." cringe
What are you paid to do? Why do you think you are expert on what others think and why they think it? In the end of day, that's all I asked. Why'd you respond if you're not going to answer?

Why do you speak in riddles, and feel the need to moral police this board?

Why do you continue to imply that other posters on this board are too stupid to see it is exactly you and the synchophants that are moral policing? YOU are the one trying to tell people what they think and why they think it. WHEN given the opportunity to explain how you are paid, what your expertise, you defer, distract and generally coward and cringe.

Potts, MBG, Magoo, You attacking anyone that doesn't accept the rosy picture you're paid to paint. How about your little group stop implying people cannot see reality? The record sucks. Candle's record against even MAC teams with winning records is "the end of day."

I QUOTED HIM... THATS WHAT HE THINKS. I DIDNT CLAIM TO GET IN HIS HEAD ABOUT THE GREAT UNKNOWN.

IM NOT PAID TO DO ANYTHING ON THIS BOARD, STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW ME.

You think editing out the evidence removes it? Changing the focus from what I said to something else?

YOU SAID THIS (ooh, capitals so cringey)
This is the MAIN reason fans think like you.

Exactly your quote trying to tell us how we think and why we think what we do. Why is it so hard for you to admit what you wrote and the meaning of it? Your arrogance astounds so at least back it up. So again, how are you paid? What makes you an expert on what we think and why we think it? Why can you not accept Candles record as the "end all?" It sucks. He's WAY over-paid for performance. 3-10 against teams with winning records and losing twice to the rival, here at home when an over-whelming favorite.

I know hundreds of Toledo fans. My twitter messages by Frogtown Glassroots and Jammin Morroquin say "I remember the good ol days and beating P5s on the regular", the facebook group I just posted on the other thread, this damn board is litrered with that exact same sentence.

Its NOT ME MIND reading that fans who dont enjoy Candles resume, bring up that thought process and statement. For gosh sakes, Candles record side by side with Campbell is the main takeaway from any UT FB talk these days.

I told you, im not paid by anyone to post here, nor would anyone besides you present that as a job title for a someone???

Ill say it one final time. Candle is paid 86th overall! Thats justified to win this league if he does! Pay anyone less, and get even worse results? Expecting top 25 teams and beating P5s who havent been on the schedule is NOT the epectation here, hence why those are not the terms of his contract bonuses.

(11-19-2022 07:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 07:25 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(11-19-2022 07:02 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I QUOTED HIM... THATS WHAT HE THINKS. I DIDNT CLAIM TO GET IN HIS HEAD ABOUT THE GREAT UNKNOWN.

IM NOT PAID TO DO ANYTHING ON THIS BOARD, STOP ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW ME.

You think editing out the evidence removes it? Changing the focus from what I said to something else?

YOU SAID THIS (ooh, capitals so cringey)
This is the MAIN reason fans think like you.

Exactly your quote trying to tell us how we think and why we think what we do. Why is it so hard for you to admit what you wrote and the meaning of it? Your arrogance astounds so at least back it up. So again, how are you paid? What makes you an expert on what we think and why we think it? Why can you not accept Candles record as the "end all?" It sucks. He's WAY over-paid for performance. 3-10 against teams with winning records and losing twice to the rival, here at home when an over-whelming favorite.

I know hundreds of Toledo fans. My twitter messages by Frogtown Glassroots and Jammin Morroquin say "I remember the good ol days and beating P5s on the regular", the facebook group I just posted on the other thread, this damn board is litrered with that exact same sentence.

Its NOT ME MIND reading that fans who dont enjoy Candles resume, bring up that thought process and statement. For gosh sakes, Candles record side by side with Campbell is the main takeaway from any UT FB talk these days.

I told you, im not paid by anyone to post here, nor would anyone besides you present that as a job title for a someone???

Ill say it one final time. Candle is paid 86th overall! Thats justified to win this league if he does! Pay anyone less, and get even worse results? Expecting top 25 teams and beating P5s who havent been on the schedule is NOT the epectation here, hence why those are not the terms of his contract bonuses.

smh.

Candle is not beating winning programs in the weakest D1. And you're focused on the few complaining about P5s? And cherry picking that out of their totality of complaints? And you don't feel even a bit disengenuous?

Candle's record in every aspect that matters "in the end" is very bad.

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  McElwain and Creighton suck harder. Thats the only point needed to be made.

McElwain and Creighton are not our concern. They do not coach at Toledo. Given they are doing better with worse, it's reasonable they would do better with better. Something the current coach has not been able to do.

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  We pay more for our coach because we have 20,027 fans in mid November and Ball State has 250.

We live in an population of half a million with not major competitors for sports dollars. Comparing to Ball St or any other MAC school is going to be seen as a strawman because it is. Your constant attempts to divert from the obvious is what brings the disengenous to your postion here. At least play in the subtle.

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  He cant beat P5s when we dont have em on the schedule.

Then it's reasonable he shouldn't get paid as if he's beating P5s. D2 schools that do not beat D1's do not get paid as if they are beating D1s just because they cannot schedule them.

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  We pay more for our coach because we make more money as a program and he is doing what hes paid to do.

He's not responsible for us not playing P5s but he's somehow getting credit if we "make more money?" And he's making how much more money after expenses than who?

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I hate the effing losses to our rival. In the end od the day we are playing for the ship.

If playing for the "ship" with this record in a conference this poor is the end-all, how much worse could we be to drop to FCS and play for doughnuts? Very little. If you hate the effing losses, aren't you playing fro the wrong team on these boards? There's no indication those losses are going to go away when a coach makes the post-game comments this one did after that last loss.

The "end all" at Toledo is beating the best the conference has to offer, not 3-10 and repeatedly losing to teams over which they are massive favorites, not because of lack of talent but because of lack of coaching that talent.

The question is the program better now or even at the same level when Campbell left? Obviously Beckman and Campbell, both left the program in better shape than when they got it.