We know democrats don’t want voter ID and republicans do. The interesting thing to me is that most polls show public support for voter ID to be in the 75-80% range and favored across all ethnic groups.

Given that, why don’t states put up ballot initiatives that allow voters to decide if they want their states to require and issue voter ID cards to all eligible voters? Just take the politicians out and let the people vote.

That is something that could be grassroots driven and would cause both sides to heavily debate the issue. Simply let We the People decide.

That may indeed be the way, and 2 states did just that in the 2022 midterms. I'm a big fan of ballot initiatives and wish every state allowed for them, we'd break through the gridlock and party interests and get more popular policies if they did. In a US with ballot initiatives in every state we'd likely see voter ID required most everywhere, along with Medicaid expansion in every state, abortion permitted during at least the earliest stages of pregnancy or in cases of rape/incest/mother's health endangered, and legal marijuana in the vast majority of states. Anyway, these two just addressed voter ID -

Arizona's Proposition 309 narrowly failed, 50.4% to 49.6% with 94% of votes counted. It would have added to Arizona's current signature matching procedures (which are a big part of why votes are still at 94% counted in Arizona) and required voters to add both date of birth and a government issued ID number to mailed ballots for them to be valid.

https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Proposit...ure_(2022)

Nebraska's Initiative 432 passed overwhelmingly, 65.5% to 35.5%, and requires photo ID to vote. The legislature is empowered to now determine what forms of photo ID will be accepted.

https://ballotpedia.org/Nebraska_Initiat...ive_(2022)

Even in Nebraska the numbers weren't so high as you listed, but two-thirds of voters is still huge support in today's polarized climate. The red or blue lean of the state is of course important, but I also think we see that voters are more inclined to support straightforward, logical requirements than layering on additional steps to an existing process. I'm totally unfamiliar with the campaigns for either of these ballot measures, but just reading the summaries of what they do Nebraska's reads as very simple and reasonable, while Arizona's sounds like adding more hoops to jump through in an effort to trip more voters up and void their ballot - especially those who are less adept at filling out forms like the poor, the elderly and minorities.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/result...t-measures

Your Arizona example is something I would have also voted against, and has nothing to do with what I was discussing in that it allows a specific ballot to be tracked to a specific voter. Voter ID is to ensure an eligible voter if personally filing out only a single ballot.

Oh, and implicit in the requirement for voter ID is that you have to show it to someone to vote. That means no mail in voting and going back to the way it was. You can get an absentee ballot for a proper reason and being lazy or not actually caring enough to go vote are not proper reasons.

Im still waiting to find that person today that does not have an ID. If you find him/her...its very likely the don't have one by personal choice..not because they can't obtain one.

South Carolina has this figured out quite well in their newer revamped precincts as well as early voting locations.

You check in. This requires a gov't issued ID. You are handed a ballot sip. It has barcodes at the top denoting your precinct. You then go to a voting machine. You insert the ballot slip. It loads your specific ballot. You then vote on a touchscreen for all offices applicable to that precinct. You review your selections at the end. You then print your filled out completed ballot on the very same stub you got and inserted into the machine. You can then double check to make sure your filled out ballot matches your selections. You then go over to a tabulation machine and insert your completed ballot. It adds to the count and permanently keeps your completed paper ballot.

Things this system does I don't see many places:
1) Gives you, the voter, the chance to compare your completed digital ballot to your cast vote to make sure there was no shenanigans
2) Gives the state of SC the ability to do a FULL RECOUNT WITH PAPERTRAIL of an entire digital election. So if there is shenanigans with the tabulator, it will be found out.

(11-18-2022 11:54 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  South Carolina has this figured out quite well in their newer revamped precincts as well as early voting locations.

You check in. This requires a gov't issued ID. You are handed a ballot sip. It has barcodes at the top denoting your precinct. You then go to a voting machine. You insert the ballot slip. It loads your specific ballot. You then vote on a touchscreen for all offices applicable to that precinct. You review your selections at the end. You then print your filled out completed ballot on the very same stub you got and inserted into the machine. You can then double check to make sure your filled out ballot matches your selections. You then go over to a tabulation machine and insert your completed ballot. It adds to the count and permanently keeps your completed paper ballot.

Things this system does I don't see many places:
1) Gives you, the voter, the chance to compare your completed digital ballot to your cast vote to make sure there was no shenanigans
2) Gives the state of SC the ability to do a FULL RECOUNT WITH PAPERTRAIL of an entire digital election. So if there is shenanigans with the tabulator, it will be found out.

This is how it is done in Tennessee. Best system out there.

(11-18-2022 01:56 AM)banker Wrote:  We know democrats don’t want voter ID and republicans do. The interesting thing to me is that most polls show public support for voter ID to be in the 75-80% range and favored across all ethnic groups.

Given that, why don’t states put up ballot initiatives that allow voters to decide if they want their states to require and issue voter ID cards to all eligible voters? Just take the politicians out and let the people vote.

That is something that could be grassroots driven and would cause both sides to heavily debate the issue. Simply let We the People decide.

Democrats won't allow votes because they want to be able to cheat easier.

There is no other legitimate reason to oppose voter ID.

Ohio is the same as SC it seems. I have showed my ID every time I have ever voted and also had to sign in and that signature was verified right in front of me.