I wasn't really sure about the rule either, until just now in the Tulane SMU game. Smu's coach challenge to play, was wrong, it cost him a time out. So it is legal to do in college.

(11-17-2022 10:30 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I wasn't really sure about the rule either, until just now in the Tulane SMU game. Smu's coach challenge to play, was wrong, it cost him a time out. So it is legal to do in college.

He was just shooting in the dark. You could tell by his body language.

(11-17-2022 10:30 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I wasn't really sure about the rule either, until just now in the Tulane SMU game. Smu's coach challenge to play, was wrong, it cost him a time out. So it is legal to do in college.

What's really weird about this is that Silverfield himself said that there are no challenges in college football during a press conference this season. He was dead wrong and apparently has been unaware that he can challenge all this time.

just goes to prove that Sliverfieldth has no idea what he is doing.

of course he'll probably get an extension from Laird.

There was discussion that you can't challenge a call?

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champio...Manual.pdf

Quote:Each head coach is allowed one challenge per game which he exercises by requesting a timeout for purposes of instant replay. He may have a second challenge, for a maximum of two, only if the first is successful and he has a timeout available.

Quote:SECTION 5. Initiating the Replay Process
Game Stop
ARTICLE 1. There are two methods to stop a game to review a ruling on the field.
Replay Official Stops the Game
a. The replay official and their crew shall review every play of a game. The replay official may stop a game
at any time before the ball is next legally put in play (Exception: Rule 12-3-6-d) whenever they believe
that:
1. There is reasonable evidence to believe an error was made in the initial on-field ruling.
2. The play is reviewable.
3. The outcome of a review would have a direct, competitive impact on the game.

Head Coach Challenge
b. The head coach of either team may request that the game be stopped, and a play be reviewed by challenging the on-field ruling.
1. A head coach initiates this challenge by taking a team timeout before the ball is next legally put in play (Exception: Rule 12-3-6-d) and informing the referee that they are challenging the ruling of the previous play. If a head coach’s challenge is successful, they retain the challenge, which may be used only once more during the game. Thus, a coach may have a total of two challenges if and only if the initial challenge is successful.
2. After a review has been completed, if the on-field ruling is reversed, that team’s timeout will not be charged.
3. After a review has been completed, and the on-field ruling is not reversed, the charged team timeout counts as one of the three permitted that team for that half or the one permitted in that extra period.
4. A head coach may not challenge a ruling in which the game was stopped, and a decision has already been made by the replay official.
5. If a head coach requests a team timeout to challenge an on-field ruling and the play being challenged is not reviewable, the timeout shall count as one of the three permitted team timeouts during that half of the game or the one permitted in that extra period.
6. A head coach may not challenge an on-field ruling if all the team’s timeouts have been used for that half or in that extra period.

I remember the pass play in question (I thought it was incomplete), but I can't remember if #4 would apply to that situation. I'd have to go back and listen to what Silverfield said again. I remember him explaining it, just not what he said.

Only reason to use it is if you think the other team is rushing to snap before replay official can take a look at it. At that point its pretty much just a timeout. Every play in college is reviewed so kind of pointless to challenge if official has looked at it and not chose to replay.

There has certainly been a lot of confusion over the rule. Ask 5 different people in the stands, get 5 different thoughts. But the HC should know.

I'm beginning to think he sort of panics under pressure in games. The no challenge one week, and then challenging something the following week that should not have been. The 4th and 16 after losing the argument on targeting. The erratic use of fg kicking and 2pt conversion attempts. Etc.

(11-18-2022 11:08 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  Only reason to use it is if you think the other team is rushing to snap before replay official can take a look at it. At that point its pretty much just a timeout. Every play in college is reviewed so kind of pointless to challenge if official has looked at it and not chose to replay.

I believe that's how much HC's view it. Never use a challenge on a scoring play, because those are particularly scrutiinized by the replay ref.
I think sometimes the ref will even tell the HC not to call a to and request a challenge because it's already been reviewed.

(11-18-2022 11:27 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-18-2022 11:08 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  Only reason to use it is if you think the other team is rushing to snap before replay official can take a look at it. At that point its pretty much just a timeout. Every play in college is reviewed so kind of pointless to challenge if official has looked at it and not chose to replay.

I believe that's how much HC's view it. Never use a challenge on a scoring play, because those are particularly scrutiinized by the replay ref.
I think sometimes the ref will even tell the HC not to call a to and request a challenge because it's already been reviewed.

That happened to either Norvell or Fuente once. There was a play that we fans were furious wasn't reviewed. They asked the coach about it in the postgame show, and he said the ref told him it had already been reviewed in the booth and he would be wasting his timeout.

We have 2 head coaches who just choose not to complain to officials. CRS and CPH. There may be a look or point but that's about it. Drives me crazy but hey ... They're getting paid big bucks to be sweet !!! I'd be like Huggins or Hurley ... They'd call me mister T !!!