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RE: NIL letter to Ambassadors
(11-18-2022 11:44 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
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(11-18-2022 08:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  Not sure why people are acting like this is something new and different than the way it has always been.

Because it is new and different and not at all like it was before. Certain players families were funneled money, yes but now every single player - even your depth players will have to be paid PLUS its now all out on the open.

I was referring to the comment above about the disparity between different conferences regarding revenue. The difference between the G5 and the P5 money has always existed.

And the gap between the two is likely going to get significantly larger.

So what does that look like or mean? Sincere question.
P5 has always gotten the players they wanted and the coaches they wanted and the better facilities.
We have always looked for diamonds in the rough and undervalued players. And we've typically gone for up and coming coaches.
And we've had to prioritize facilities on a shoestring budget.
So what does a significantly larger gap between P5 and G5 change?

I agree. We have never been on equal footing for recruits with the P5s. Some of them paid players under the table, but just the prestige that comes from playing for a P5 vs a G5 has always been against us as well.

Our competition isn't the P5 NIL, it's the other G5 NIL. We need to be in a position to be the first name people think of when they look at promoting a G5 to a P5 conference. If I had the money, I would. For now, I can keep making nominal donations to the University, 901fund, and the new NIL (and possibly the NIL women fund they've been plugging at football games).
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RE: NIL letter to Ambassadors
(11-18-2022 10:10 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
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(11-18-2022 08:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 04:51 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  Don’t say that you didn’t see it coming. Without those fat Big 12 checks, you are going to pick one major sport to remain relevant.

Not sure why people are acting like this is something new and different than the way it has always been.

Because it is new and different and not at all like it was before. Certain players families were funneled money, yes but now every single player - even your depth players will have to be paid PLUS its now all out on the open.

I was referring to the comment above about the disparity between different conferences regarding revenue. The difference between the G5 and the P5 money has always existed.

And it always will. And the SEC and Big 10 will out bid the other 3 P5s. And the G5s are below even that. I doubt the lower level players will get much however. Pay the QB , the key receivers and pass rushers and we should be good. It’s going to be harder in football. Basketball should be easy

03-idea

We've all been complaining about the quality of our offensive line and how they are underperforming. Maybe this is the reason - if they aren't getting any NIL $$ then why should they block for somebody that does? Think about it....
11-18-2022 11:56 AM
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RE: NIL letter to Ambassadors
(11-18-2022 11:46 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 10:14 AM)gusrob Wrote:  So Laird Veatch lacks creativity in generating funding. Similar to his lack of creativity in coach hiring. He wasn't very creative during bowl cancellation. He hasn't generated interest in season tix. And choosing BLM stickers was beyond lazy and way past stupid, as it shut off a portion of the fanbase. (Penny's bball team supports all races and didn't spit in anyone's face)


Way to rock, Veatch! Let's give this dude a raise!

let's give you a Valium, what a downer you are.

I concur
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RE: NIL letter to Ambassadors
Football is in a bit of a spiral, I'm afraid. The media along with many of you think we don't have the money to buyout CRS. And we're begging for NIL money. And attendance is falling. But if we don't get some new football leadership who can restore energy to the program, all of these problems just get worse. When season tix drop from 20k this year to 15k next year, that is not going to help pay coaches and generate NIL funds.

Now we've decided to start reporting tix sold - which will guarantee our announce attendance doesn't drop below season tix sales. So that keeps us in the 20's through this year. Much less than the 30's just a couple of years ago, but still respectable for G5. Next year, the announce attendance floor will drop though and there will be nowhere to hide.

It's a financial thing - just like Tubby. We can't afford NOT to fire CRS.
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RE: NIL letter to Ambassadors
(11-18-2022 11:50 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 11:40 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 09:57 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  SMU , our most likely top competition in the new AAC has a budget of $3,600,000 per year for football and basketball players we are trying to get to $1,200,000 . We ARE NOT at $1,200,000 we are far behind that right now.

For all sports - including basketball? That doesn't sound right. Maybe the collective for all sports is less than $1.2M. But my understanding is that Penny has been lining up NIL deals directly with businesses for MBB and that it certainly exceeds $1.2M per year.

I dont know about basketball -- football needs to get to $1,200,000 million on its own. I doubt that the Basketball NIL is over a million $ right now but I would love to be surprised.

Without the bb NIL money, then the comparison to SMU is not valid. Granted, most of SMU's NIL is likely fb - like most schools in the country. But from what I hear, our bb NIL is well over $1M.
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(11-18-2022 11:54 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  FWIW, I joined the monthly donation option for the 901 NIL. It is not much, but I hope it adds up to a significant sum when all Tiger fans with the means contribute.

What you did is huge.

We need more, others.

Thank you for doing what you did
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(11-18-2022 11:54 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  FWIW, I joined the monthly donation option for the 901 NIL. It is not much, but I hope it adds up to a significant sum when all Tiger fans with the means contribute.

04-rock04-rock04-rock
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RE: NIL letter to Ambassadors
(11-18-2022 11:58 AM)danny1 Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 11:46 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 10:14 AM)gusrob Wrote:  So Laird Veatch lacks creativity in generating funding. Similar to his lack of creativity in coach hiring. He wasn't very creative during bowl cancellation. He hasn't generated interest in season tix. And choosing BLM stickers was beyond lazy and way past stupid, as it shut off a portion of the fanbase. (Penny's bball team supports all races and didn't spit in anyone's face)


Way to rock, Veatch! Let's give this dude a raise!

let's give you a Valium, what a downer you are.

I concur

Bless your little hearts.
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RE: NIL letter to Ambassadors
(11-18-2022 11:44 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
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(11-18-2022 08:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  Not sure why people are acting like this is something new and different than the way it has always been.

Because it is new and different and not at all like it was before. Certain players families were funneled money, yes but now every single player - even your depth players will have to be paid PLUS its now all out on the open.

I was referring to the comment above about the disparity between different conferences regarding revenue. The difference between the G5 and the P5 money has always existed.

And the gap between the two is likely going to get significantly larger.

So what does that look like or mean? Sincere question.
P5 has always gotten the players they wanted and the coaches they wanted and the better facilities.
We have always looked for diamonds in the rough and undervalued players. And we've typically gone for up and coming coaches.
And we've had to prioritize facilities on a shoestring budget.
So what does a significantly larger gap between P5 and G5 change?

One scenario...

Let's say a 3-star linebacker has offers from Arkansas, Missouri, Memphis, Tulsa, and Mississippi State. At Arkansas, Missouri, and MSU he will likely not play for 2 years because of their depth. At Memphis and Tulsa he would probably start immediately. So, he chooses Memphis because of our recent success in football.

Now, let's say that same 3-star LB has the same offers but at Arkansas, Missiouri, and MSU he will receive an NIL deal worth $50K per year while he sits on the bench. At Memphis and Tulsa he will receive deals of $15K but he will play. Who does he sign with?
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RE: NIL letter to Ambassadors
(11-18-2022 01:23 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 11:44 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 09:29 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
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(11-18-2022 09:10 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Because it is new and different and not at all like it was before. Certain players families were funneled money, yes but now every single player - even your depth players will have to be paid PLUS its now all out on the open.

I was referring to the comment above about the disparity between different conferences regarding revenue. The difference between the G5 and the P5 money has always existed.

And the gap between the two is likely going to get significantly larger.

So what does that look like or mean? Sincere question.
P5 has always gotten the players they wanted and the coaches they wanted and the better facilities.
We have always looked for diamonds in the rough and undervalued players. And we've typically gone for up and coming coaches.
And we've had to prioritize facilities on a shoestring budget.
So what does a significantly larger gap between P5 and G5 change?

One scenario...

Let's say a 3-star linebacker has offers from Arkansas, Missouri, Memphis, Tulsa, and Mississippi State. At Arkansas, Missouri, and MSU he will likely not play for 2 years because of their depth. At Memphis and Tulsa he would probably start immediately. So, he chooses Memphis because of our recent success in football.

Now, let's say that same 3-star LB has the same offers but at Arkansas, Missiouri, and MSU he will receive an NIL deal worth $50K per year while he sits on the bench. At Memphis and Tulsa he will receive deals of $15K but he will play. Who does he sign with?

Unfortunately $$$$ talks----I think we would lose 90% or more
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RE: NIL letter to Ambassadors
(11-18-2022 01:23 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 11:44 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 09:29 AM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 09:24 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 09:10 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Because it is new and different and not at all like it was before. Certain players families were funneled money, yes but now every single player - even your depth players will have to be paid PLUS its now all out on the open.

I was referring to the comment above about the disparity between different conferences regarding revenue. The difference between the G5 and the P5 money has always existed.

And the gap between the two is likely going to get significantly larger.

So what does that look like or mean? Sincere question.
P5 has always gotten the players they wanted and the coaches they wanted and the better facilities.
We have always looked for diamonds in the rough and undervalued players. And we've typically gone for up and coming coaches.
And we've had to prioritize facilities on a shoestring budget.
So what does a significantly larger gap between P5 and G5 change?

One scenario...

Let's say a 3-star linebacker has offers from Arkansas, Missouri, Memphis, Tulsa, and Mississippi State. At Arkansas, Missouri, and MSU he will likely not play for 2 years because of their depth. At Memphis and Tulsa he would probably start immediately. So, he chooses Memphis because of our recent success in football.

Now, let's say that same 3-star LB has the same offers but at Arkansas, Missiouri, and MSU he will receive an NIL deal worth $50K per year while he sits on the bench. At Memphis and Tulsa he will receive deals of $15K but he will play. Who does he sign with?

Today's scenario...

Let's say a 3-star linebacker has offers from Arkansas, Missouri, Memphis, Tulsa, and Mississippi State. At Arkansas, Missouri, and MSU he will likely not play for 2 years because of their depth. At Memphis and Tulsa he would probably start immediately. So, he chooses Memphis because of our recent success in football

Two years later after proving he can play he gets a NIL offer for $ 30K per season at a P5 school (just a good not great LB or Lineman) - he leaves for P5.

Today, as of now Memphis is a farm league school for all other P5 programs.

Seth turned down 2 texas schools last year - 6 figures on both to stay at Memphis.

He stayed because of RS.

A 3 star lineman going to Houston gets a guaranteed $ 30,000 per season for each season he is at Houston.
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perhaps many of the big $$ boosters don't trust our leadership, particularly Veatch, and they refuse to comply

I believe Penny has different avenues he uses.
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(11-18-2022 02:01 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  perhaps many of the big $$ boosters don't trust our leadership, particularly Veatch, and they refuse to comply

I believe Penny has different avenues he uses.

I think the article was primarily about basketball needing more NIL money to keep all the big promises that Penny made to recruits. Our big money boosters could have Veatch fired in less than a second if they didn't value his leadership.
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(11-18-2022 02:07 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 02:01 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  perhaps many of the big $$ boosters don't trust our leadership, particularly Veatch, and they refuse to comply

I believe Penny has different avenues he uses.

I think the article was primarily about basketball needing more NIL money to keep all the big promises that Penny made to recruits. Our big money boosters could have Veatch fired in less than a second if they didn't value his leadership.

pretty sure it's just the opposite MFF

If you get a chance, you should listen to and/or read our local journalists. They are usually plugged into things.
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(11-18-2022 02:07 PM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 02:01 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  perhaps many of the big $$ boosters don't trust our leadership, particularly Veatch, and they refuse to comply

I believe Penny has different avenues he uses.

I think the article was primarily about basketball needing more NIL money to keep all the big promises that Penny made to recruits. Our big money boosters could have Veatch fired in less than a second if they didn't value his leadership.

I took it as the "losing of players" was a future worry. As in we're going to be losing out on the opportunity to sign high level players if we don't get the funds higher.
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(11-18-2022 02:17 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  
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(11-18-2022 02:01 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  perhaps many of the big $$ boosters don't trust our leadership, particularly Veatch, and they refuse to comply

I believe Penny has different avenues he uses.

I think the article was primarily about basketball needing more NIL money to keep all the big promises that Penny made to recruits. Our big money boosters could have Veatch fired in less than a second if they didn't value his leadership.

I took it as the "losing of players" was a future worry. As in we're going to be losing out on the opportunity to sign high level players if we don't get the funds higher.

No it literally says that we are about to lose players next month.
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This is about Arion Carter not basketball
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(11-18-2022 02:14 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  
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(11-18-2022 02:01 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  perhaps many of the big $$ boosters don't trust our leadership, particularly Veatch, and they refuse to comply

I believe Penny has different avenues he uses.

I think the article was primarily about basketball needing more NIL money to keep all the big promises that Penny made to recruits. Our big money boosters could have Veatch fired in less than a second if they didn't value his leadership.

pretty sure it's just the opposite MFF

If you get a chance, you should listen to and/or read our local journalists. They are usually plugged into things.

I did and apparently you didn't. Our local journalists did nothing but relay some of the contents of a letter from the AD to ambassador level donors.
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(11-18-2022 02:27 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  This is about Arion Carter not basketball

This is very wrong. Arion Carter blew up this fall and got offers from Alabama, Georgia and etc. after he had already committed to Memphis. There was no way we were ever going to keep him. It has been known for months that he was leaving. Has nothing to do with NIL.
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whatever you say MFF
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