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#2- I agree with your point that linear TV deals in place help teams grow. SBC has some catching up to do. But we've got a better deal than historically the conference ever has. Hopefully in the future that will increase.

#3- The only reason I said anything here is I'm tired of the Academic bashing. We all know Tulane is a high National Research university. No one's taking that away from them. The holier than thou attitude is what's bad. Even to teams within the AAC. That comment is actually completely out of character for me, but the point was to show that you don't have to go to school at Harvard, Yale, or Tulane to earn a degree and have a success career. Hell, lots of people make far more money than that and they never go to college.

#5- Agreed on that. And no problem with it at all. Army, Navy, and AFA all are. As well they should be. I'd love to be in a national conference with all 3 quite honestly.
My comment here was directed at the Navy fan in Post #109 stating SOS/conference Massey composite superiority. So just a fun reminder jab was all.

One win does not a program make. We had a real chance this year beating ND. But laid our egg, post haste. Our offense finally caught up to our Defense and we finished 8-4. But we had the opportunity to do so much more. And if we had, we'd be up there taking the G5 spot I'm sure. Any of us have that opportunity each year. Strong OOC scheduling. Win those games. And hope that year's conference teams do the same.
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(11-26-2022 05:59 PM)ThunderDent Wrote:  #3- The only reason I said anything here is I'm tired of the Academic bashing. We all know Tulane is a high National Research university. No one's taking that away from them. The holier than thou attitude is what's bad. Even to teams within the AAC. That comment is actually completely out of character for me, but the point was to show that you don't have to go to school at Harvard, Yale, or Tulane to earn a degree and have a success career. Hell, lots of people make far more money than that and they never go to college.
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Although I am proud of Memphis’ recent Carnegie research classification r1 elevation, I notice the less a school achieves on the field or the court the more their fans tout their academic standing. Furthermore, games are athletic events and success measured in athletic terms.
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(11-26-2022 06:22 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 05:59 PM)ThunderDent Wrote:  #3- The only reason I said anything here is I'm tired of the Academic bashing. We all know Tulane is a high National Research university. No one's taking that away from them. The holier than thou attitude is what's bad. Even to teams within the AAC. That comment is actually completely out of character for me, but the point was to show that you don't have to go to school at Harvard, Yale, or Tulane to earn a degree and have a success career. Hell, lots of people make far more money than that and they never go to college.
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Although I am proud of Memphis’ recent Carnegie research classification r1 elevation, I notice the less a school achieves on the field or the court the more their fans tout their academic standing. Furthermore, games are athletic events and success measured in athletic terms.

clt says academics matter
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(11-26-2022 07:51 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 06:22 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 05:59 PM)ThunderDent Wrote:  #3- The only reason I said anything here is I'm tired of the Academic bashing. We all know Tulane is a high National Research university. No one's taking that away from them. The holier than thou attitude is what's bad. Even to teams within the AAC. That comment is actually completely out of character for me, but the point was to show that you don't have to go to school at Harvard, Yale, or Tulane to earn a degree and have a success career. Hell, lots of people make far more money than that and they never go to college.
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Although I am proud of Memphis’ recent Carnegie research classification r1 elevation, I notice the less a school achieves on the field or the court the more their fans tout their academic standing. Furthermore, games are athletic events and success measured in athletic terms.

clt says academics matter
loki hopes clt's school can attain the top quartile of the American some day.
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(11-26-2022 09:47 AM)ThunderDent Wrote:  Wanted to use this platform/thread (since it's on topic) to congratulate Tulane on their win yesterday. Solid D, great QB. Nice ABC audience to boot.

Hope you guys take down UCF next week. With the way you are playing you deserve the Cotton Bowl this year. And it's honestly overdue since 1998.

I think the SBC and the AAC going forward are going to be pretty even top to bottom.
So we'll see how that shakes out. The two of us, plus the MWC are going to be competing every year for the top spot between us. Good OOC scheduling, win those games, and hope for a strong conference that particular year and you're likely in.

It's a shame we couldn't have a National conference with the very best from each of the 3 leagues. Because I think that would be closer to P6 than anything we will all have individually going forward.

Good luck to you Tulane. Love to see you in the Cotton Bowl vs traditional rival LSU!

Thank you for the kind words! Good Luck the rest of the way.
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(11-26-2022 05:59 PM)ThunderDent Wrote:  #2- I agree with your point that linear TV deals in place help teams grow. SBC has some catching up to do. But we've got a better deal than historically the conference ever has. Hopefully in the future that will increase.

#3- The only reason I said anything here is I'm tired of the Academic bashing. We all know Tulane is a high National Research university. No one's taking that away from them. The holier than thou attitude is what's bad. Even to teams within the AAC. That comment is actually completely out of character for me, but the point was to show that you don't have to go to school at Harvard, Yale, or Tulane to earn a degree and have a success career. Hell, lots of people make far more money than that and they never go to college.

#5- Agreed on that. And no problem with it at all. Army, Navy, and AFA all are. As well they should be. I'd love to be in a national conference with all 3 quite honestly.
My comment here was directed at the Navy fan in Post #109 stating SOS/conference Massey composite superiority. So just a fun reminder jab was all.

One win does not a program make. We had a real chance this year beating ND. But laid our egg, post haste. Our offense finally caught up to our Defense and we finished 8-4. But we had the opportunity to do so much more. And if we had, we'd be up there taking the G5 spot I'm sure. Any of us have that opportunity each year. Strong OOC scheduling. Win those games. And hope that year's conference teams do the same.

Don’t be ridiculous. Blow off what people say about school, probably primadonna’s. Be proud of your degree and you’ve obviously applied yourself. I will offer the following however. The person makes the education and the career. But going to a highly rated school definitely gives most students a leg up because of research experiences, etc (depending on the degree), IMO.
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(11-26-2022 08:04 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 07:51 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 06:22 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 05:59 PM)ThunderDent Wrote:  #3- The only reason I said anything here is I'm tired of the Academic bashing. We all know Tulane is a high National Research university. No one's taking that away from them. The holier than thou attitude is what's bad. Even to teams within the AAC. That comment is actually completely out of character for me, but the point was to show that you don't have to go to school at Harvard, Yale, or Tulane to earn a degree and have a success career. Hell, lots of people make far more money than that and they never go to college.
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Although I am proud of Memphis’ recent Carnegie research classification r1 elevation, I notice the less a school achieves on the field or the court the more their fans tout their academic standing. Furthermore, games are athletic events and success measured in athletic terms.

clt says academics matter
loki hopes clt's school can attain the top quartile of the American some day.

clt says we are already there bud.
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(11-26-2022 01:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 01:20 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 09:47 AM)ThunderDent Wrote:  Wanted to use this platform/thread (since it's on topic) to congratulate Tulane on their win yesterday. Solid D, great QB. Nice ABC audience to boot.

Hope you guys take down UCF next week. With the way you are playing you deserve the Cotton Bowl this year. And it's honestly overdue since 1998.

I think the SBC and the AAC going forward are going to be pretty even top to bottom.
So we'll see how that shakes out. The two of us, plus the MWC are going to be competing every year for the top spot between us. Good OOC scheduling, win those games, and hope for a strong conference that particular year and you're likely in.

It's a shame we couldn't have a National conference with the very best from each of the 3 leagues. Because I think that would be closer to P6 than anything we will all have individually going forward.

Good luck to you Tulane. Love to see you in the Cotton Bowl vs traditional rival LSU!

While I appreciate the support, what an offensive thing to say about the SBC and AAC being equal. The AAC is not even in the same universe as the SBC. Not even close. We have the markets and the academics. Most of our programs are household names and we take the NY6 bowl just about every single year. While we do appreciate your support, please educate yourself on how the AAC is more in line the the Big 12, PAC 12, and ACC and nowhere close to the SBC and MWC. Thank you.

Top to bottom?

The AAC 14 is already way ahead of the Sun Belt at the top, certainly.
This year the Sun Belt is having good year in the computer rankings because their middle and bottom aren't as bad as they usually are. That's in contrast to the extreme statistical outlier of 2020 (a year of questionable statistical unreliability, too, with the lack of inter-conference play and statiscal connection) when the top 3 were well ahead of historical, but dragged down by standard middle and bottom. Those top 3 have regressed to their means, of course.

Looking at the current Massey Composite Rankings, comparing the current 14-team Sun Belt and next year's 14-team AAC:
Top team: AAC 22, Sun Belt 39
Average ranking top 2 teams: AAC 29, Sun Belt 41.5
Average ranking top 3 teams: AAC 37.67, Sun Belt 43
Average ranking top 4 teams: AAC 44.25, Sun Belt 46.5
Average ranking middle 6 teams: Sun Belt 81.67, AAC 86
Average ranking middle 4 teams: Sun Belt 84.25, AAC 87.25
Average ranking bottom 4 teams: Sun Belt 113, AAC 119

That of course is before the current legacy teams IMPROVE in rankings from departure of UC, UH, UCF. For the legacy eight, 15 2022 Ls are walking out the door 01 July 2023. There is a move up factor for the AAC that neither the mwc or Sun Belt will get.

We will see what that impact is next year, but with the top of the 2023 AAC ALREADY ahead of a Sun Belt that is having its second best year of the CFP era in Massey Composite...the American is going to be juuuust fine.

But I started talking about statistics and math early, so I don't expect Fact Free Fun Belt Fans to keep up with this conversation.

It’s gonna be fun as hell watching you defend the horsesh!t coming into the AAC next year Mike. If you’re not Mike then I’m flabbergasted. There’s no way in hell you’re doing this sh!t for free. How do I sign up? I’d promote the heck out of the MAC if you paid me.
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(11-24-2022 03:13 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Excellent deep dive on the metrics but the public wants to see Charlotte, they are what we call in this day and age a “sensation”.

The public wants to see UNCC? Outside of the UNCC campus and surrounding area no one knows they exist. App on the other hand has built a brand, beating Michigan, aTm, winnning multiple national fcs championships. What does UNCC have that comes close? Nothing. They were a bad add.

I sincerely hope they get better fast.

It’s markets, they represent the city of Charlotte. People will tune in by the thousands. This is a long term investment that will pay off. There’s a reason people prefer programs like Charlotte, Cincy, Tulane, Memphis over schools like Boise St., Coastal Carolina, Troy, Southern Miss and so on. Markets matter big time, they are the only thing that matters besides academics.

I get that. Long term hopefully it works out and they get good. I'm saying that in the here and now when we needed to replace some solid programs, App would have worked well along with UAB and UTSA. UNCC is a project with no brand. We can't reverse the clock so I sincerely hope they become solid in a hurry.


I have good news, this school you mention has recently rolled out a new branding program in an attempt to take your suggestion and no longer be a project with no brand. The brand is “Charlotte” and if you are hoping they become solid then jump on the Charlotte bandwagon! You don’t have to cheer for them, just use their new branding when you mention them!

Thanks for your help supporting the American P6 Branding and its subsidiary brands!



BRANDING!!!

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(11-29-2022 11:38 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 01:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 01:20 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 09:47 AM)ThunderDent Wrote:  Wanted to use this platform/thread (since it's on topic) to congratulate Tulane on their win yesterday. Solid D, great QB. Nice ABC audience to boot.

Hope you guys take down UCF next week. With the way you are playing you deserve the Cotton Bowl this year. And it's honestly overdue since 1998.

I think the SBC and the AAC going forward are going to be pretty even top to bottom.
So we'll see how that shakes out. The two of us, plus the MWC are going to be competing every year for the top spot between us. Good OOC scheduling, win those games, and hope for a strong conference that particular year and you're likely in.

It's a shame we couldn't have a National conference with the very best from each of the 3 leagues. Because I think that would be closer to P6 than anything we will all have individually going forward.

Good luck to you Tulane. Love to see you in the Cotton Bowl vs traditional rival LSU!

While I appreciate the support, what an offensive thing to say about the SBC and AAC being equal. The AAC is not even in the same universe as the SBC. Not even close. We have the markets and the academics. Most of our programs are household names and we take the NY6 bowl just about every single year. While we do appreciate your support, please educate yourself on how the AAC is more in line the the Big 12, PAC 12, and ACC and nowhere close to the SBC and MWC. Thank you.

Top to bottom?

The AAC 14 is already way ahead of the Sun Belt at the top, certainly.
This year the Sun Belt is having good year in the computer rankings because their middle and bottom aren't as bad as they usually are. That's in contrast to the extreme statistical outlier of 2020 (a year of questionable statistical unreliability, too, with the lack of inter-conference play and statiscal connection) when the top 3 were well ahead of historical, but dragged down by standard middle and bottom. Those top 3 have regressed to their means, of course.

Looking at the current Massey Composite Rankings, comparing the current 14-team Sun Belt and next year's 14-team AAC:
Top team: AAC 22, Sun Belt 39
Average ranking top 2 teams: AAC 29, Sun Belt 41.5
Average ranking top 3 teams: AAC 37.67, Sun Belt 43
Average ranking top 4 teams: AAC 44.25, Sun Belt 46.5
Average ranking middle 6 teams: Sun Belt 81.67, AAC 86
Average ranking middle 4 teams: Sun Belt 84.25, AAC 87.25
Average ranking bottom 4 teams: Sun Belt 113, AAC 119

That of course is before the current legacy teams IMPROVE in rankings from departure of UC, UH, UCF. For the legacy eight, 15 2022 Ls are walking out the door 01 July 2023. There is a move up factor for the AAC that neither the mwc or Sun Belt will get.

We will see what that impact is next year, but with the top of the 2023 AAC ALREADY ahead of a Sun Belt that is having its second best year of the CFP era in Massey Composite...the American is going to be juuuust fine.

But I started talking about statistics and math early, so I don't expect Fact Free Fun Belt Fans to keep up with this conversation.

It’s gonna be fun as hell watching you defend the horsesh!t coming into the AAC next year Mike. If you’re not Mike then I’m flabbergasted. There’s no way in hell you’re doing this sh!t for free. How do I sign up? I’d promote the heck out of the MAC if you paid me.

Well, I challenge you to find a post of me saying I love all six of the new additions -- because I don't.
None of them was good enough to be chosen when we lost football weak sister UConn in 2019. One was debatably a hold-your-nose-and-take-em, and yet we didn't. Losing three of our top five teams put us in a worse position.
Anyone who thinks we shouldn't have taken six schools must not like money for their school. We offset the loss of 40% of our viewers (an elastic 40%, because that's truly about who is AAC#1 and AAC#2 any given year) with 30% more inventory overall.
The "Marketzzz derp derp derp" crowd are wrong as hell too. We went after budgets and investment and commitment. The only potential add with comparable budget chose not to play football in 2020. Didn't App State and Georgia State leadership say out loud that they couldn't afford to join the American? Charlotte and Rice have both been talking about athletic investments in the $100 million range.
Anyone who thinks that the Sun Belt somehow got the better football program additions hasn't been paying attention. With UTSA and UNT matching up Friday night, that will be the last six CUSA champs, three or four of the inbounds. UTSA is ranked in both the AP and Coaches' Polls this week - I'll bet a dollar right now we'll see them on tonight's CFP ranking reveal, too - zip for any Sun Belt teams.
Everyone wanted App State? Massey Composite has the Mountaineers #77 right now. UTSA way ahead and UNT/UAB are #78/#79.
We don't need all 6 to be worldbeaters. A couple of them occupying their current triple-digit rankings will be just fine. We don't need any of them to instantly transform into what UCF and Cincinnati have (briefly) been within the last few years. So long as the top two or three are where they are today, we'll be fine.
And TV timeslots and computer rankings will both have some move-up for the top of the league - fewer Ls to UC, UCF, UH will be more of a positive than a minimal SoS change will be a negative.
AAC will be just fine next year, and the doomsayers will be crying in their beers.

Now on the more important point -- monetizing my contributions here. Yeah, I need to figure that out. Thinking about 2023 / Year 2 post active duty. Until then, it's like pro bono work. Or Christian charity. Like a doctor or dentist spending vacation time at a third world clinic. I'll keep trying to enlighten the willfully ignorant, whether they're Fact Free Fun Belt Fans, or even the occasional Tiger or Pirate who has somehow been drinking that FlavorAid.
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(11-29-2022 05:10 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-29-2022 11:38 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 01:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 01:20 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 09:47 AM)ThunderDent Wrote:  Wanted to use this platform/thread (since it's on topic) to congratulate Tulane on their win yesterday. Solid D, great QB. Nice ABC audience to boot.

Hope you guys take down UCF next week. With the way you are playing you deserve the Cotton Bowl this year. And it's honestly overdue since 1998.

I think the SBC and the AAC going forward are going to be pretty even top to bottom.
So we'll see how that shakes out. The two of us, plus the MWC are going to be competing every year for the top spot between us. Good OOC scheduling, win those games, and hope for a strong conference that particular year and you're likely in.

It's a shame we couldn't have a National conference with the very best from each of the 3 leagues. Because I think that would be closer to P6 than anything we will all have individually going forward.

Good luck to you Tulane. Love to see you in the Cotton Bowl vs traditional rival LSU!

While I appreciate the support, what an offensive thing to say about the SBC and AAC being equal. The AAC is not even in the same universe as the SBC. Not even close. We have the markets and the academics. Most of our programs are household names and we take the NY6 bowl just about every single year. While we do appreciate your support, please educate yourself on how the AAC is more in line the the Big 12, PAC 12, and ACC and nowhere close to the SBC and MWC. Thank you.

Top to bottom?

The AAC 14 is already way ahead of the Sun Belt at the top, certainly.
This year the Sun Belt is having good year in the computer rankings because their middle and bottom aren't as bad as they usually are. That's in contrast to the extreme statistical outlier of 2020 (a year of questionable statistical unreliability, too, with the lack of inter-conference play and statiscal connection) when the top 3 were well ahead of historical, but dragged down by standard middle and bottom. Those top 3 have regressed to their means, of course.

Looking at the current Massey Composite Rankings, comparing the current 14-team Sun Belt and next year's 14-team AAC:
Top team: AAC 22, Sun Belt 39
Average ranking top 2 teams: AAC 29, Sun Belt 41.5
Average ranking top 3 teams: AAC 37.67, Sun Belt 43
Average ranking top 4 teams: AAC 44.25, Sun Belt 46.5
Average ranking middle 6 teams: Sun Belt 81.67, AAC 86
Average ranking middle 4 teams: Sun Belt 84.25, AAC 87.25
Average ranking bottom 4 teams: Sun Belt 113, AAC 119

That of course is before the current legacy teams IMPROVE in rankings from departure of UC, UH, UCF. For the legacy eight, 15 2022 Ls are walking out the door 01 July 2023. There is a move up factor for the AAC that neither the mwc or Sun Belt will get.

We will see what that impact is next year, but with the top of the 2023 AAC ALREADY ahead of a Sun Belt that is having its second best year of the CFP era in Massey Composite...the American is going to be juuuust fine.

But I started talking about statistics and math early, so I don't expect Fact Free Fun Belt Fans to keep up with this conversation.

It’s gonna be fun as hell watching you defend the horsesh!t coming into the AAC next year Mike. If you’re not Mike then I’m flabbergasted. There’s no way in hell you’re doing this sh!t for free. How do I sign up? I’d promote the heck out of the MAC if you paid me.

Well, I challenge you to find a post of me saying I love all six of the new additions -- because I don't.
None of them was good enough to be chosen when we lost football weak sister UConn in 2019. One was debatably a hold-your-nose-and-take-em, and yet we didn't. Losing three of our top five teams put us in a worse position.
Anyone who thinks we shouldn't have taken six schools must not like money for their school. We offset the loss of 40% of our viewers (an elastic 40%, because that's truly about who is AAC#1 and AAC#2 any given year) with 30% more inventory overall.
The "Marketzzz derp derp derp" crowd are wrong as hell too. We went after budgets and investment and commitment. The only potential add with comparable budget chose not to play football in 2020. Didn't App State and Georgia State leadership say out loud that they couldn't afford to join the American? Charlotte and Rice have both been talking about athletic investments in the $100 million range.
Anyone who thinks that the Sun Belt somehow got the better football program additions hasn't been paying attention. With UTSA and UNT matching up Friday night, that will be the last six CUSA champs, three or four of the inbounds. UTSA is ranked in both the AP and Coaches' Polls this week - I'll bet a dollar right now we'll see them on tonight's CFP ranking reveal, too - zip for any Sun Belt teams.
Everyone wanted App State? Massey Composite has the Mountaineers #77 right now. UTSA way ahead and UNT/UAB are #78/#79.
We don't need all 6 to be worldbeaters. A couple of them occupying their current triple-digit rankings will be just fine. We don't need any of them to instantly transform into what UCF and Cincinnati have (briefly) been within the last few years. So long as the top two or three are where they are today, we'll be fine.
And TV timeslots and computer rankings will both have some move-up for the top of the league - fewer Ls to UC, UCF, UH will be more of a positive than a minimal SoS change will be a negative.
AAC will be just fine next year, and the doomsayers will be crying in their beers.

Now on the more important point -- monetizing my contributions here. Yeah, I need to figure that out. Thinking about 2023 / Year 2 post active duty. Until then, it's like pro bono work. Or Christian charity. Like a doctor or dentist spending vacation time at a third world clinic. I'll keep trying to enlighten the willfully ignorant, whether they're Fact Free Fun Belt Fans, or even the occasional Tiger or Pirate who has somehow been drinking that FlavorAid.

My only ***** is UNCC. Should have grabbed App IMHO but what's done is done. I do sincerely hope they succeed though for the good of us all.

To clarify, I wanted App for selfish reasons, we have a long history with them and we are actually something that resembles rivals. Its sad they can't get their budget where it needs to be. I guess its great that UNCC is making investments. Hopefully it pays off
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Once again, the totem pole confirmed. Only G5 teams in the playoff rankings are AAC teams. Many with more losses than the unranked other G5 conference teams. Fun belt fans and CUSA fans...... whine all you want....... facts are facts. There is a hierchy, and you are beneath the AAC. Fortunately for a lot of the CUSA fans, many of your teams are moving to the AAC, so your SOS will greatly improve and you shall get the spoils of the top of the totem pole.
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RE: G5 totem pole
(11-29-2022 06:10 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  
(11-29-2022 05:10 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-29-2022 11:38 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 01:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-26-2022 01:20 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  While I appreciate the support, what an offensive thing to say about the SBC and AAC being equal. The AAC is not even in the same universe as the SBC. Not even close. We have the markets and the academics. Most of our programs are household names and we take the NY6 bowl just about every single year. While we do appreciate your support, please educate yourself on how the AAC is more in line the the Big 12, PAC 12, and ACC and nowhere close to the SBC and MWC. Thank you.

Top to bottom?

The AAC 14 is already way ahead of the Sun Belt at the top, certainly.
This year the Sun Belt is having good year in the computer rankings because their middle and bottom aren't as bad as they usually are. That's in contrast to the extreme statistical outlier of 2020 (a year of questionable statistical unreliability, too, with the lack of inter-conference play and statiscal connection) when the top 3 were well ahead of historical, but dragged down by standard middle and bottom. Those top 3 have regressed to their means, of course.

Looking at the current Massey Composite Rankings, comparing the current 14-team Sun Belt and next year's 14-team AAC:
Top team: AAC 22, Sun Belt 39
Average ranking top 2 teams: AAC 29, Sun Belt 41.5
Average ranking top 3 teams: AAC 37.67, Sun Belt 43
Average ranking top 4 teams: AAC 44.25, Sun Belt 46.5
Average ranking middle 6 teams: Sun Belt 81.67, AAC 86
Average ranking middle 4 teams: Sun Belt 84.25, AAC 87.25
Average ranking bottom 4 teams: Sun Belt 113, AAC 119

That of course is before the current legacy teams IMPROVE in rankings from departure of UC, UH, UCF. For the legacy eight, 15 2022 Ls are walking out the door 01 July 2023. There is a move up factor for the AAC that neither the mwc or Sun Belt will get.

We will see what that impact is next year, but with the top of the 2023 AAC ALREADY ahead of a Sun Belt that is having its second best year of the CFP era in Massey Composite...the American is going to be juuuust fine.

But I started talking about statistics and math early, so I don't expect Fact Free Fun Belt Fans to keep up with this conversation.

It’s gonna be fun as hell watching you defend the horsesh!t coming into the AAC next year Mike. If you’re not Mike then I’m flabbergasted. There’s no way in hell you’re doing this sh!t for free. How do I sign up? I’d promote the heck out of the MAC if you paid me.

Well, I challenge you to find a post of me saying I love all six of the new additions -- because I don't.
None of them was good enough to be chosen when we lost football weak sister UConn in 2019. One was debatably a hold-your-nose-and-take-em, and yet we didn't. Losing three of our top five teams put us in a worse position.
Anyone who thinks we shouldn't have taken six schools must not like money for their school. We offset the loss of 40% of our viewers (an elastic 40%, because that's truly about who is AAC#1 and AAC#2 any given year) with 30% more inventory overall.
The "Marketzzz derp derp derp" crowd are wrong as hell too. We went after budgets and investment and commitment. The only potential add with comparable budget chose not to play football in 2020. Didn't App State and Georgia State leadership say out loud that they couldn't afford to join the American? Charlotte and Rice have both been talking about athletic investments in the $100 million range.
Anyone who thinks that the Sun Belt somehow got the better football program additions hasn't been paying attention. With UTSA and UNT matching up Friday night, that will be the last six CUSA champs, three or four of the inbounds. UTSA is ranked in both the AP and Coaches' Polls this week - I'll bet a dollar right now we'll see them on tonight's CFP ranking reveal, too - zip for any Sun Belt teams.
Everyone wanted App State? Massey Composite has the Mountaineers #77 right now. UTSA way ahead and UNT/UAB are #78/#79.
We don't need all 6 to be worldbeaters. A couple of them occupying their current triple-digit rankings will be just fine. We don't need any of them to instantly transform into what UCF and Cincinnati have (briefly) been within the last few years. So long as the top two or three are where they are today, we'll be fine.
And TV timeslots and computer rankings will both have some move-up for the top of the league - fewer Ls to UC, UCF, UH will be more of a positive than a minimal SoS change will be a negative.
AAC will be just fine next year, and the doomsayers will be crying in their beers.

Now on the more important point -- monetizing my contributions here. Yeah, I need to figure that out. Thinking about 2023 / Year 2 post active duty. Until then, it's like pro bono work. Or Christian charity. Like a doctor or dentist spending vacation time at a third world clinic. I'll keep trying to enlighten the willfully ignorant, whether they're Fact Free Fun Belt Fans, or even the occasional Tiger or Pirate who has somehow been drinking that FlavorAid.

My only ***** is UNCC. Should have grabbed App IMHO but what's done is done. I do sincerely hope they succeed though for the good of us all.

To clarify, I wanted App for selfish reasons, we have a long history with them and we are actually something that resembles rivals. Its sad they can't get their budget where it needs to be. I guess its great that UNCC is making investments. Hopefully it pays off

clt says Charlotte was #2 into this round of aac expansion. Appy would have had to bump someone else
11-29-2022 09:20 PM
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