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RE: G5 totem pole
(11-15-2022 10:04 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 09:52 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 09:16 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  
(11-14-2022 07:15 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-14-2022 11:43 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  The Human Polls care more about brands. AAC isn't barren, you still have SMU flagship with an exciting offense with Rhett Lashlee. When Memphis is good they grab attention. It seems like Tulane is an remerging brand.

If Tanner Mordecai returns next season, SMU should be a preseason Top 25 in this AAC rebuilding year.

TV Exposure is a big deal too. Aresco getting the most exposure puts the teams in front of the voter's eyes more often than the Sunbelt.

Coastal has been on national TV 4 weeks in a row. The SBC's better teams will get exposure lol. The terrible ODU loss is why we are where we are. Nothing else.

So the AAC gets significantly better coverage.

7 of UCF games on primary channels (ESPN/ESPN2)
2 of CCU games on primary channels (ESPN/ESPN2)

4 of UCF games on secondary channels (ESPNU/CBSSN)
5 of CCU games on secondary channels (ESPNU/AACN/NFLN)

1 of UCF games streaming only
5 of CCU games streaming only

UCF Media Exposure 2022:
ESPN: 2 (Temple, Cincy)
ESPN2: 5 (Louisville, SMU, Memphis, Tulane, Navy)
ESPN2/ESPNU: 1 (USF is TBD)
ESPNU: 2 (GT, ECU)
CBSSN: 1 (FAU)
ESPN+: 1 (FCS)

Coastal Carolina Media Exposure 2022:
ESPN: 1 (App St)
ESPN2: 1 (GSt)
ESPNU: 3 (ODU, USM, JMU)
NFLN: 1 (Marshall)
ACCSN: 1 (UVA)
ESPN+: 5 (Army, FCS, UB, GSU, ULM)

And it isn't just the top of the American, or a team that's leaving next year.

3-7 Navy:
In the AAC contract(s):
ABC: 1 (ND)
ESPN: (SMU)
ESPN2: (UCF)
ESPNU: (Houston, Cincinnati)
CBSSN: (Delaware, Memphis, Tulsa, Temple)
ESPN+: 1 (ECU)
Outside of AAC contracts:
CBS: 2 (AF under mwc contract, Army under America's Game Contract)

It's another of my points -- Fun Belters have it good these days, and I say good on 'em...but they don't even comprehend BETTER.
They don't understand P6.

Thread over there chest thumping over increasing national linear coverage from 15 to 22....umm, yeah, guys, you added the 7 games Disney sub-licensed to NFLNetwork. Almost certainly no money for the conference, and with four of them in the books 272,000 more viewers according to Nielsen. That's still less than half of AAC's national linear coverage.

How about Tulane -- another of the 2023 AAC14 and part of the NY6 conversation:
All 8 Conference games on National Linear:
ABC/ESPN: 1 (Cincinnati)
ESPN: 2 (SMU, Hou)
ESPN2: 2 (UCF, Temple)
ESPNU: 3 (Tulsa, USF, ECU)

3 games on the AAC contract were ESPN+, FCS opponent, UMass, and Sun Belt.
1 OOC game was on ESPN+ on the Big12 contract - vs K-State.

I'm going to do one more of these, and then close out this MattSarzSports tab.

From the bottom of the AAC standings, South Florida:
ESPN2: 2 (Tulsa, Houston)
ESPNU: 3 (SMU, Tulane, BYU)
TBD ESPN2 or ESPNU: 1 (UCF)
ESPN+: 4 (FCS, ECU, Cincinnati, Temple)
On other conference's contracts,
SECN: 1 (Florida)
ACCN: 1 (Louisville)

And again, Coastal Carolina, to compare the top of the Sun Belt to the bottom of the AAC (Tulsa and Temple look a lot like USF in case you were wondering)
ESPN: 1 (App St)
ESPN2: 1 (GSt)
ESPNU: 3 (ODU, USM, JMU)
NFLN: 1 (Marshall)
ACCSN: 1 (UVA)
ESPN+: 5 (Army, FCS, UB, GSU, ULM)
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(11-15-2022 12:30 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I just wish we had a better system. When the playoffs start, the ACC won't be obsessing about whether the Big 12 champion has 1 loss or 2, because the ACC and Big 12 champions have auto-bids regardless. The "us vs. them" mentality of the SBC champion vs. AAC champion is completely driven by money and greed in conferences "above" us.

We shouldn't have to fight for the last seat at the table. We should both have a seat. That will be obvious a few years into the playoffs, when there is 1 SBC and 1 AAC team "worthy" of being in the field in the same year, and one gets left out.

You only say that because your conference is one of the four conferences that have no business thinking they are equal to the other six. Conferences with no markets or no academics should not be FBS. Only six conferences should be allowed. I think would solve a lot of our problems in the long run.
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(11-15-2022 06:57 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 12:30 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I just wish we had a better system. When the playoffs start, the ACC won't be obsessing about whether the Big 12 champion has 1 loss or 2, because the ACC and Big 12 champions have auto-bids regardless. The "us vs. them" mentality of the SBC champion vs. AAC champion is completely driven by money and greed in conferences "above" us.

We shouldn't have to fight for the last seat at the table. We should both have a seat. That will be obvious a few years into the playoffs, when there is 1 SBC and 1 AAC team "worthy" of being in the field in the same year, and one gets left out.

You only say that because your conference is one of the four conferences that have no business thinking they are equal to the other six. Conferences with no markets or no academics should not be FBS. Only six conferences should be allowed. I think would solve a lot of our problems in the long run.

Ah, I get it. You want to fight, so you can cry about Sun Belt fans on future threads.

If you want to sneak into the room and close the door on everyone behind you, you're no better than those who close the door on you.
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RE: G5 totem pole
(11-15-2022 06:57 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 12:30 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I just wish we had a better system. When the playoffs start, the ACC won't be obsessing about whether the Big 12 champion has 1 loss or 2, because the ACC and Big 12 champions have auto-bids regardless. The "us vs. them" mentality of the SBC champion vs. AAC champion is completely driven by money and greed in conferences "above" us.

We shouldn't have to fight for the last seat at the table. We should both have a seat. That will be obvious a few years into the playoffs, when there is 1 SBC and 1 AAC team "worthy" of being in the field in the same year, and one gets left out.

You only say that because your conference is one of the four conferences that have no business thinking they are equal to the other six. Conferences with no markets or no academics should not be FBS. Only six conferences should be allowed. I think would solve a lot of our problems in the long run.

I didn't know power leagues even had fans that make threads like this to begin with.

Seems kinda below you guys.
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The AAC is a good G5 conference. There is no Power 6 conference. It is not recognized by anyone and the #P6 has ran it's course and the best 3 programs in the AAC are moving on, and effectively killing the notion of P6.

Again, the AAC is a very good G5 conference. Congrats.
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(11-15-2022 08:28 PM)Goronic Wrote:  The AAC is a good G5 conference. There is no Power 6 conference. It is not recognized by anyone and the #P6 has ran it's course and the best 3 programs in the AAC are moving on, and effectively killing the notion of P6.

Again, the AAC is a very good G5 conference. Congrats.

And you're a very good who gives a **** team. Congrats.
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Ok, I take back some stuff. You guys may be right. The CFP is screwing us over.
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(11-15-2022 10:15 PM)TealNation Wrote:  Ok, I take back some stuff. You guys may be right. The CFP is screwing us over.

Not really. You're a really good team. You're not as good as ucf, Tulane or Cincinnati. Committee has this right.
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(11-15-2022 10:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:15 PM)TealNation Wrote:  Ok, I take back some stuff. You guys may be right. The CFP is screwing us over.

Not really. You're a really good team. You're not as good as ucf, Tulane or Cincinnati. Committee has this right.

Maybe so, but how are we not even ranked? Tulane lost to a team we beat with our 3rd string QB.

NC State is still ranked after just losing to Boston freaking College.
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(11-15-2022 10:40 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:15 PM)TealNation Wrote:  Ok, I take back some stuff. You guys may be right. The CFP is screwing us over.

Not really. You're a really good team. You're not as good as ucf, Tulane or Cincinnati. Committee has this right.

Maybe so, but how are we not even ranked? Tulane lost to a team we beat with our 3rd string QB.

NC State is still ranked after just losing to Boston freaking College.

To answer you honestly, from my experience it’s as much a name and conference recognition as it is what you do on the field. Been there and still pissed that UCF didn’t make a bowl game in 1998 despite a 9-2 record. Fair, no - but the fan bases your discussing this have already been through the same thing.
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(11-15-2022 11:20 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:40 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:15 PM)TealNation Wrote:  Ok, I take back some stuff. You guys may be right. The CFP is screwing us over.

Not really. You're a really good team. You're not as good as ucf, Tulane or Cincinnati. Committee has this right.

Maybe so, but how are we not even ranked? Tulane lost to a team we beat with our 3rd string QB.

NC State is still ranked after just losing to Boston freaking College.

To answer you honestly, from my experience it’s as much a name and conference recognition as it is what you do on the field. Been there and still pissed that UCF didn’t make a bowl game in 1998 despite a 9-2 record. Fair, no - but the fan bases your discussing this have already been through the same thing.

Nc state is definitely overrated but by way of example they are 40 sp+ while coastal is 60.
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(11-15-2022 10:40 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:15 PM)TealNation Wrote:  Ok, I take back some stuff. You guys may be right. The CFP is screwing us over.

Not really. You're a really good team. You're not as good as ucf, Tulane or Cincinnati. Committee has this right.

Maybe so, but how are we not even ranked? Tulane lost to a team we beat with our 3rd string QB.

NC State is still ranked after just losing to Boston freaking College.
I sent the comparative analysis in post #25 to Chet Gladchuk, Navy AD and CFP Committee member.
The rest of the committee wanted to put Coastal in the Top 10, with a path to the Top 4 almost possible. But he talked them out of it.
Once that got a little momentum, they moved you all the way out.
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(11-16-2022 09:33 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:40 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:15 PM)TealNation Wrote:  Ok, I take back some stuff. You guys may be right. The CFP is screwing us over.

Not really. You're a really good team. You're not as good as ucf, Tulane or Cincinnati. Committee has this right.

Maybe so, but how are we not even ranked? Tulane lost to a team we beat with our 3rd string QB.

NC State is still ranked after just losing to Boston freaking College.
I sent the comparative analysis in post #25 to Chet Gladchuk, Navy AD and CFP Committee member.
The rest of the committee wanted to put Coastal in the Top 10, with a path to the Top 4 almost possible. But he talked them out of it.
Once that got a little momentum, they moved you all the way out.

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(11-16-2022 10:52 AM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-16-2022 09:33 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:40 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:15 PM)TealNation Wrote:  Ok, I take back some stuff. You guys may be right. The CFP is screwing us over.

Not really. You're a really good team. You're not as good as ucf, Tulane or Cincinnati. Committee has this right.

Maybe so, but how are we not even ranked? Tulane lost to a team we beat with our 3rd string QB.

NC State is still ranked after just losing to Boston freaking College.
I sent the comparative analysis in post #25 to Chet Gladchuk, Navy AD and CFP Committee member.
The rest of the committee wanted to put Coastal in the Top 10, with a path to the Top 4 almost possible. But he talked them out of it.
Once that got a little momentum, they moved you all the way out.

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(11-16-2022 12:19 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-16-2022 10:52 AM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-16-2022 09:33 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:40 PM)TealNation Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:30 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Not really. You're a really good team. You're not as good as ucf, Tulane or Cincinnati. Committee has this right.

Maybe so, but how are we not even ranked? Tulane lost to a team we beat with our 3rd string QB.

NC State is still ranked after just losing to Boston freaking College.
I sent the comparative analysis in post #25 to Chet Gladchuk, Navy AD and CFP Committee member.
The rest of the committee wanted to put Coastal in the Top 10, with a path to the Top 4 almost possible. But he talked them out of it.
Once that got a little momentum, they moved you all the way out.

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I hear ya. We'll crack the code eventually.
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Your schools signed up for FBS in the past 20 years. You knew what rigged mess you were getting into.
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After last night's rankings........ I can see a lot of crow being eaten on this thread. Basically last night prooved my point.
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(11-23-2022 06:08 AM)otown Wrote:  After last night's rankings........ I can see a lot of crow being eaten on this thread. Basically last night prooved my point.

We won't see that.
The good news is that they have disappeared. As much as I would relish seeing them admit that P6 is real, it probably is better overall that they're gone and we don't have to see the rest of their ridiculousness.
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(11-23-2022 09:06 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(11-23-2022 06:08 AM)otown Wrote:  After last night's rankings........ I can see a lot of crow being eaten on this thread. Basically last night prooved my point.

We won't see that.
The good news is that they have disappeared. As much as I would relish seeing them admit that P6 is real, it probably is better overall that they're gone and we don't have to see the rest of their ridiculousness.

Well, they have an active thread on their forum discussing how they might take the ABC slot from the AAC during championship game weekend next year.......soooo......07-coffee3
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