What's worse, mass voter fraud, or an electorate that actually wanted to continue with Democrat control even though the past two years have quite possibly been the most disastrous first two years of any modern Presidency? To me, it's the latter. Voter fraud can be corrected, an electorate that dumb can't be.

(11-10-2022 03:45 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  What's worse, mass voter fraud, or an electorate that actually wanted to continue with Democrat control even though the past two years have quite possibly been the most disastrous first two years of any modern Presidency? To me, it's the latter. Voter fraud can be corrected, an electorate that dumb can't be.

Gen Z and unmarried people prevented the red wave.

(11-10-2022 09:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  BTW it looks like Lauren Boebert is going to pull it out in Colorado

So in that case, the leader after two nights magically losing after "late processed" ballots are counted is ensuring a proper count, not "stealing the election?"

Ok.

(11-10-2022 03:45 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  What's worse, mass voter fraud, or an electorate that actually wanted to continue with Democrat control even though the past two years have quite possibly been the most disastrous first two years of any modern Presidency? To me, it's the latter. Voter fraud can be corrected, an electorate that dumb can't be.

This is analogous to how people view schools. Many, if not most, will say that schools are in bad shape.....but my local school is good. The same applies to these elections I think. People may think Biden and the Dems are doing a bad job but my Dem House Representative is a good good man/woman. Elections are local.

(11-10-2022 03:49 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:45 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  What's worse, mass voter fraud, or an electorate that actually wanted to continue with Democrat control even though the past two years have quite possibly been the most disastrous first two years of any modern Presidency? To me, it's the latter. Voter fraud can be corrected, an electorate that dumb can't be.

This is analogous to how people view schools. Many, if not most, will say that schools are in bad shape.....but my local school is good. The same applies to these elections I think. People may think Biden and the Dems are doing a bad job but my Dem House Representative is a good good man/woman. Elections are local.

They may be a good person, but if they are going to vote lockstep with the current Democrat agenda then it is total idiocy to support them.

(11-10-2022 03:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 02:25 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Arizona hasn't counted a single ballot today. WTF? This is becoming 3rd world level.

This is not even remotely true.

You are right. Since I posted that, they counted 2,900ish ballots out of the estimated 619,012 still outstanding. At this pace, they'll be done around September of '23 if they work weekends and holidays.

That's still not accurate. You're probably just confused because the SOS had not updated their official page since late last night when you looked. Every county is still counting.

Yavapai County alone just posted 3,015 votes.

And larger counties like Maricopa and Pima have been counting all day. They will just release theirs in one large batch tonight.

(11-10-2022 03:57 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:49 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:45 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  What's worse, mass voter fraud, or an electorate that actually wanted to continue with Democrat control even though the past two years have quite possibly been the most disastrous first two years of any modern Presidency? To me, it's the latter. Voter fraud can be corrected, an electorate that dumb can't be.

This is analogous to how people view schools. Many, if not most, will say that schools are in bad shape.....but my local school is good. The same applies to these elections I think. People may think Biden and the Dems are doing a bad job but my Dem House Representative is a good good man/woman. Elections are local.

They may be a good person, but if they are going to vote lockstep with the current Democrat agenda then it is total idiocy to support them.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I was merely trying to explain the idiocy of some of the electorate.

I've always heard people say that they vote for the man or woman, not the party. That's total idiocy in the world today. Firstly, few of us really even know our candidates and what we do know has been crafted for us. Secondly, rarely ever does a politician go against their party when voting on legislation.

(11-10-2022 03:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 09:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  BTW it looks like Lauren Boebert is going to pull it out in Colorado

So in that case, the leader after two nights magically losing after "late processed" ballots are counted is ensuring a proper count, not "stealing the election?"

Ok.

(11-10-2022 04:01 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:57 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:49 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:45 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  What's worse, mass voter fraud, or an electorate that actually wanted to continue with Democrat control even though the past two years have quite possibly been the most disastrous first two years of any modern Presidency? To me, it's the latter. Voter fraud can be corrected, an electorate that dumb can't be.

This is analogous to how people view schools. Many, if not most, will say that schools are in bad shape.....but my local school is good. The same applies to these elections I think. People may think Biden and the Dems are doing a bad job but my Dem House Representative is a good good man/woman. Elections are local.

They may be a good person, but if they are going to vote lockstep with the current Democrat agenda then it is total idiocy to support them.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I was merely trying to explain the idiocy of some of the electorate.

I've always heard people say that they vote for the man or woman, not the party. That's total idiocy in the world today. Firstly, few of us really even know our candidates and what we do know has been crafted for us. Secondly, rarely ever does a politician go against their party when voting on legislation.

Got ya, to take it a step further, I would say Democrats vote for their party, Republicans/Independents vote for the man or woman.

We have first hand examples of this with Fetterman and Biden.

(11-10-2022 02:17 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 02:00 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 11:42 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 11:33 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And much of that distrust is due to vile individuals that just lie and make up ****.

Jim Bob, a constuction worker in rural Arkansas lies and it's a threat to Democracy.

Biden and the media lie repeatedly, every single day and no biggie.

Got it. You are very intelligent.

No, Jim Bob is not the threat. It's ******** like trump, Rudy, Lindell, Powell, et. al. that lie to their millions of followers and supporters who sow the distrust.

That really did not need to be explained.

If you think Trump and the folks on the right lie more than Biden and the folks on the left, then you a truly hoodwinked soul.

Wow. I hope they save your seat at the next Mike Lindell cyber security summit.

Didn't Trump have to pardon one of his cronies that was convicted of perjury?

Yup, just found it. Some easy Google searching through wikipedia's page on Trump's list of pardons

Michael Flynn, pardoned by Trump after he "pleaded guilty to "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the FBI regarding conversations with Russia's ambassador"

(11-10-2022 04:15 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  Got ya, to take it a step further, I would say Democrats vote for their party, Republicans/Independents vote for the man or woman.

We have first hand examples of this with Fetterman and Biden.

That flies in the fact of all the people swearing up & down they don't actually like Trump, but would still vote for him. Republicans most definitely vote for party over person.

(11-10-2022 04:18 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  That flies in the fact of all the people swearing up & down they don't actually like Trump, but would still vote for him. Republicans most definitely vote for party over person.

No, it's just that the person opposing Trump was so Godawful. Twice. But one time, the democrats' voting for party over person carried the day for them.

Heck, I will swear up and down that I don't like Trump the person, although I do like a lot of his ideas. But I'll gladly vote for him over any democrat you can name, with the possible exception of Joe Manchin.

Donald Trump is a horrible person with some good ideas. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are evil bastards with bad ideas.

(11-10-2022 04:18 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 02:17 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 02:00 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 11:42 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  Jim Bob, a constuction worker in rural Arkansas lies and it's a threat to Democracy.

Biden and the media lie repeatedly, every single day and no biggie.

Got it. You are very intelligent.

No, Jim Bob is not the threat. It's ******** like trump, Rudy, Lindell, Powell, et. al. that lie to their millions of followers and supporters who sow the distrust.

That really did not need to be explained.

If you think Trump and the folks on the right lie more than Biden and the folks on the left, then you a truly hoodwinked soul.

Wow. I hope they save your seat at the next Mike Lindell cyber security summit.

Didn't Trump have to pardon one of his cronies that was convicted of perjury?

Yup, just found it. Some easy Google searching through wikipedia's page on Trump's list of pardons

Michael Flynn, pardoned by Trump after he "pleaded guilty to "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the FBI regarding conversations with Russia's ambassador"

It's a good thing that Clinton or Obama didn't pardon anyone.

STOP THE STEAL!!!!

EDIT:

This is coming in hot and heavy..LOL

(11-10-2022 10:14 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 09:53 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  BTW it looks like Lauren Boebert is going to pull it out in Colorado

Not so fast. The remaining votes are from the area of where her opponent is from. It will depend likely on whether they are rural or urban votes.

Either way, it's going to a mandatory recount.

As I was saying....

(11-10-2022 04:15 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 04:01 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:57 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:49 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 03:45 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  What's worse, mass voter fraud, or an electorate that actually wanted to continue with Democrat control even though the past two years have quite possibly been the most disastrous first two years of any modern Presidency? To me, it's the latter. Voter fraud can be corrected, an electorate that dumb can't be.

This is analogous to how people view schools. Many, if not most, will say that schools are in bad shape.....but my local school is good. The same applies to these elections I think. People may think Biden and the Dems are doing a bad job but my Dem House Representative is a good good man/woman. Elections are local.

They may be a good person, but if they are going to vote lockstep with the current Democrat agenda then it is total idiocy to support them.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. I was merely trying to explain the idiocy of some of the electorate.

I've always heard people say that they vote for the man or woman, not the party. That's total idiocy in the world today. Firstly, few of us really even know our candidates and what we do know has been crafted for us. Secondly, rarely ever does a politician go against their party when voting on legislation.

Got ya, to take it a step further, I would say Democrats vote for their party, Republicans/Independents vote for the man or woman.

We have first hand examples of this with Fetterman and Biden.

The old "Ma Daddy was a Democrat and He always told Me They stand up for Da little guy"

(11-10-2022 04:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 04:18 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  That flies in the fact of all the people swearing up & down they don't actually like Trump, but would still vote for him. Republicans most definitely vote for party over person.

No, it's just that the person opposing Trump was so Godawful. Twice. But one time, the democrats' voting for party over person carried the day for them.

Heck, I will swear up and down that I don't like Trump the person, although I do like a lot of his ideas. But I'll gladly vote for him over any democrat you can name, with the possible exception of Joe Manchin.

Donald Trump is a horrible person with some good ideas. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are evil bastards with bad ideas.

You're proving my point. You will pick the repub party even if the person who is the candidate for them is terrible, just because they're not a democrat (minus Manchin).
Party over person.

(11-11-2022 11:54 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 04:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 04:18 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  That flies in the fact of all the people swearing up & down they don't actually like Trump, but would still vote for him. Republicans most definitely vote for party over person.

No, it's just that the person opposing Trump was so Godawful. Twice. But one time, the democrats' voting for party over person carried the day for them.

Heck, I will swear up and down that I don't like Trump the person, although I do like a lot of his ideas. But I'll gladly vote for him over any democrat you can name, with the possible exception of Joe Manchin.

Donald Trump is a horrible person with some good ideas. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are evil bastards with bad ideas.

You're proving my point. You will pick the repub party even if the person who is the candidate for them is terrible, just because they're not a democrat (minus Manchin).
Party over person.

Actually he was delineating on ideas, not party.

(11-11-2022 11:59 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-11-2022 11:54 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 04:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 04:18 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  That flies in the fact of all the people swearing up & down they don't actually like Trump, but would still vote for him. Republicans most definitely vote for party over person.

No, it's just that the person opposing Trump was so Godawful. Twice. But one time, the democrats' voting for party over person carried the day for them.

Heck, I will swear up and down that I don't like Trump the person, although I do like a lot of his ideas. But I'll gladly vote for him over any democrat you can name, with the possible exception of Joe Manchin.

Donald Trump is a horrible person with some good ideas. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are evil bastards with bad ideas.

You're proving my point. You will pick the repub party even if the person who is the candidate for them is terrible, just because they're not a democrat (minus Manchin).
Party over person.

Actually he was delineating on ideas, not party.

No; while he said he liked SOME of his ideas, he said he would gladly vote for him over any democrat, period. I dare say that even if he liked fewer of his ideas, or only one of his ideas, he would still vote for him because he's not a D.

(11-11-2022 12:03 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-11-2022 11:59 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-11-2022 11:54 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 04:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-10-2022 04:18 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  That flies in the fact of all the people swearing up & down they don't actually like Trump, but would still vote for him. Republicans most definitely vote for party over person.

No, it's just that the person opposing Trump was so Godawful. Twice. But one time, the democrats' voting for party over person carried the day for them.

Heck, I will swear up and down that I don't like Trump the person, although I do like a lot of his ideas. But I'll gladly vote for him over any democrat you can name, with the possible exception of Joe Manchin.

Donald Trump is a horrible person with some good ideas. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are evil bastards with bad ideas.

You're proving my point. You will pick the repub party even if the person who is the candidate for them is terrible, just because they're not a democrat (minus Manchin).
Party over person.

Actually he was delineating on ideas, not party.

No; while he said he liked SOME of his ideas, he said he would gladly vote for him over any democrat, period. I dare say that even if he liked fewer of his ideas, or only one of his ideas, he would still vote for him because he's not a D.

You forgot the clarifying statement following it:

"Donald Trump is a horrible person with some good ideas. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are evil bastards with bad ideas."

In that last sentence, he sets out how he distinguishes. There, both sides are 'bad people'. The distinguishing characteristic is one has 'some good ideas' and the others have, in his opinion, bad ideas. Those are his exact words, not the implication of the words that you try and read into them.