(11-09-2022 08:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I'm going to add something else to this topic and that's the fact that a lot of right leaning republicans that believe what they grew up with is the answer including the party. Also believe Trump won because it was Hillary and any other Republican other than Trump would have also won in 2016.

That was mistake number 1 and maybe the biggest mistake that got up to this point. Those people failed to read the room, like they do often. No other republican running in 2016 was going to beat Hillary....NONE. Any other Republican would have got curb stomped for a number of reason.

While Trump because of his personality is not the longterm answer. The fact that Republican leadership could not read the room and see it wasnt Hillary that got Donald Trump elected....it was the ideals Trump was running on that resonated with people of this country. I'm not talking about what the media wanted to make it into but actual policy that he wanted to bring to this government.

Republican leadership failed to understand that and allowed the democrats to paint a total different picture. Republicans mainly did this because they did not want those same policies because it moved the country toward the center. They wanted to keep their control.

Republicans ALLOWED us to get to this point by not seeing where this country was heading. They allowed it by agreeing with democrats on painting President Trump into what the media made him. They allowed it because they thought it was all Hillary and not what the man ran on.

They failed and just as much the reason we are moving farther left than most Americans can believe. Moving more to the right is going to turn this country over to democrat control till one thing happens....


people are losing jobs in large numbers during a election year

just wait until the q2 numbers in '23 come out....

to the rest, spot-on, Guns...

@fromTheField

(11-09-2022 08:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 08:00 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Dump the woke/pro-amnesty Chamber of Commerce and ditch the globalist billionaire donors. Become more populist on economics.
Cutting Medicare and SS aren't popular.

I still don't understand why republicans have not favored Bismarck universal private health care -- a multi-payer, multi-provider system that is the approach for what are generally regarded as the best systems in Europe -- Holland, France, Switzerland, Germany.

As for social security, republicans have still not pointed out the fatal flaw -- if something is not done, the trust fund will go broke in about 10 years, at which point it will require a 40% cut in benefits or massive increases in income taxes. No, social security is not causing the deficit today. But it will add massively to it by 2035. Do like Ross Perot and put together some PowerPoints to explain the problem. If people understand the problem, support can be generated to solve the problem with a few modest moves today: eliminate the cap on taxable wages and salaries, increase the full retirement age by one month per year until it hits 70 in 48 years, introduce a privatized "super 401k" component that would invest in infrastructure improvements supported by user fees to produce a 5% ROI.

Republicans can't just complain about the stupid, horrible things that democrats are doing or want to do. They have to provide alternatives. And there are good conservative alternatives.

b/c most don't don't have the capacity to understand, nor care about another socialized platform ...

remember how the rhetoric of zero-care was pined as it passed through congress?!!! ... it was something to the tune of, "we'll know what's in it once it passes"

yeah, I still give muh BiL shite about his biatching when it went down ... now he has a plane, clay tennis court, and 4 houses scattered across the country...

(11-09-2022 08:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 08:00 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Dump the woke/pro-amnesty Chamber of Commerce and ditch the globalist billionaire donors. Become more populist on economics.
Cutting Medicare and SS aren't popular.

I still don't understand why republicans have not favored Bismarck universal private health care -- a multi-payer, multi-provider system that is the approach for what are generally regarded as the best systems in Europe -- Holland, France, Switzerland, Germany.

As for social security, republicans have still not pointed out the fatal flaw -- if something is not done, the trust fund will go broke in about 10 years, at which point it will require a 40% cut in benefits or massive increases in income taxes. No, social security is not causing the deficit today. But it will add massively to it by 2035. Do like Ross Perot and put together some PowerPoints to explain the problem. If people understand the problem, support can be generated to solve the problem with a few modest moves today: eliminate the cap on taxable wages and salaries, increase the full retirement age by one month per year until it hits 70 in 48 years, introduce a privatized "super 401k" component that would invest in infrastructure improvements supported by user fees to produce a 5% ROI.

Republicans can't just complain about the stupid, horrible things that democrats are doing or want to do. They have to provide alternatives. And there are good conservative alternatives.

Can we stop sending those Nordic countries money then? They don't have to account for defense spending and can have large social spending like Bismarck.

As for fixing inflation or the economy, it's too late to fix. There's nothing that can be done, the toothpaste is out of the tube. Trump ran on the issue of recovery, jobs, economy, etc. Dems prioritized lockdowns and prolonged economic recovery. Where were the "adults" when it came to supply chain and energy? So they get a free pass but it's the Republicans who have to warn of the problems, but the burden is on them to "fix it." Only the Fed can deflate the economy now to bring down costs, which means layoffs, unemployment, low GDP, etc.

I'm going to make a considerably long post on all of this when I have a chance to do so...


...in the meantime,

-Let the blue shithole states and cities burn and continue to burn. They are making their bed.
-This is actually good for the end game of 2024 because the blame as the economy continues to decline(and it will) will continue to fall on the senile turd in office
-DeSantis is the future for good reasons, the attacks on him will be a hundred times worse than Trump
-McConnell needs to get the boot, McCarthy needs the boot.
-Recruit the DeSantis model immediately in every battleground
-provide an actual plan to voters that will actually impact them and their kids future
-find dems and independents(Gabbard like) to collaborate with. Organize a well advertised week long event to construct the comprehensive plan in the bullet above. Include every day people at the event, business owners small and large, housewives, young, old, pubes, dims, etc... show a willingness to collaborate.

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(11-09-2022 10:25 AM)maximus Wrote:  I'm going to make a considerably long post on all of this when I have a chance to do so...


...in the meantime,

-Let the blue shithole states and cities burn and continue to burn. They are making their bed.
-This is actually good for the end game of 2024 because the blame as the economy continues to decline(and it will) will continue to fall on the senile turd in office
-DeSantis is the future for good reasons, the attacks on him will be a hundred times worse than Trump
-McConnell needs to get the boot, McCarthy needs the boot.
-Recruit the DeSantis model immediately in every battleground
-provide an actual plan to voters that will actually impact them and their kids future
-find dems and independents(Gabbard like) to collaborate with. Organize a well advertised week long event to construct the comprehensive plan in the bullet above. Include every day people at the event, business owners small and large, housewives, young, old, pubes, dims, etc... show a willingness to collaborate.

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while I agree with all the above (exception to DeSantis - I want him in '28 for reasons previously stated)

regardless, w/o stricter voting regs, the whole in entirety is moot ... there's no getting around what has become a handful of mail-in urban centers ... it's been in the works for almost 30 yrs. running at this point ... I don't even see the loss of jobs end this year into next making a dent....

you can only fk nuts zongo up the arse once ... last night proved the predictable mail-in version of twice ... fk thrice...

The Republicans were handed a platform on a silver platter. Unfortunately all they did was say Dems are bad at this without actually telling you what that would do differently.

Here in Mass, the republican candidate for Governor ran the following ad:

Inflation is rampant, crime is up, children can't add or read but they can tell you all of the 87 different genders... Why? Democratic policies.

THEN END.


All the guy had to do was say he would address these things and he didn't even do that. I didn't vote for him. He is a dunce. Nobody told me what they would do, only that the other side sucked at what they were doing.

(11-09-2022 09:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 08:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I'm going to add something else to this topic and that's the fact that a lot of right leaning republicans that believe what they grew up with is the answer including the party. Also believe Trump won because it was Hillary and any other Republican other than Trump would have also won in 2016.

That was mistake number 1 and maybe the biggest mistake that got up to this point. Those people failed to read the room, like they do often. No other republican running in 2016 was going to beat Hillary....NONE. Any other Republican would have got curb stomped for a number of reason.

While Trump because of his personality is not the longterm answer. The fact that Republican leadership could not read the room and see it wasnt Hillary that got Donald Trump elected....it was the ideals Trump was running on that resonated with people of this country. I'm not talking about what the media wanted to make it into but actual policy that he wanted to bring to this government.

Republican leadership failed to understand that and allowed the democrats to paint a total different picture. Republicans mainly did this because they did not want those same policies because it moved the country toward the center. They wanted to keep their control.

Republicans ALLOWED us to get to this point by not seeing where this country was heading. They allowed it by agreeing with democrats on painting President Trump into what the media made him. They allowed it because they thought it was all Hillary and not what the man ran on.

They failed and just as much the reason we are moving farther left than most Americans can believe. Moving more to the right is going to turn this country over to democrat control till one thing happens....


people are losing jobs in large numbers during a election year

just wait until the q2 numbers in '23 come out....

to the rest, spot-on, Guns...

@fromTheField

I 100% agree the day is coming and once it does it will make 2008 look like child's play. People complain about prices and slow down on their buying but they are still able to make ends meet....

once they start losing jobs the panic sets in because then two things happen. You either find another, most likely at a lot lower income. Or you lose everything you worked for.

In the end both of those have the same results....lower income just on one of the two paychecks over a year or so will only buy you time. Once it happens all of those high prices people paid for home....not going to be able to afford them. Because once again history repeats itself......

low interest rates allowed people to buy more than they needed.

A lot of these 800k homes people should have been downsizing to 500k and so on and so on. Instead people pushed the good times of high salaries and low rates into buying more than they needed or could afford in a downturn. Well downturn is what we are seeing now....I should have said when you or your spouse loses a job or has to take one at a lot less pay.

The fear that Covid brought and the selfish acts of both parties because they feared Donald Trump allowed the shutdowns which allowed them to spend trillions and trillions of dollars.....

comes home to roost when people start losing jobs. Then start losing homes. Then everything that piggybacks on the home market that we saw in 2008...

America goes trillions and trillions more into debit or dont have it at all.

Most all of that because they feared Trump and the ideal, real ideals, not the media made up ones, that were gaining ground with working America. These damn politician will do everything in their power and that includes getting behind China/Covid to make sure they stay in power....

both side, democrats just play the game better, and to win, at all cost. That reads almost like a conspiracy theory but its very close to the past 6 years. I hope like hell I'm 100% wrong on the coming year or two....


even if I'm setting here waiting on it and will be in position (like 2008) to take full advantage of it.

(11-09-2022 04:45 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I don't have the answers here. I wish the libertarian/liberty wing got stronger and took control of the party, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. Either way, those in control of the Pac's and the strategist need to toss away the platform of the past 10 years and bring something new to the table. Tonight was a night where the party should've won handily and failed. Terrible candidates across the board + arrogance + a terrible platform is why this election was a failure in typical swing states. In reality, this is three straight election cycle losses for the Republicans. This one is the worst, because typically the opposition party has a big wave during the midterms.

To be fair, the map never really favored a red wave, but the polling showed that the Republiclicans still had a chance to maybe pull off a red wave DESPITE the fact they were defending far more seats than the Democrats. I do agree with you that I would have preferred to see a more nationalized election with a more substantial "Contract With America" type agenda----but I think playing defense over so much of the map was really more of a defining factor than we wanted to believe going in. The outcome was dissapointing yes----but really---it was probably what we should have been expecting given the Republicans simply had more seats to defend than the democrats. interestingly---the 2024 map really really favors the Republicans---for exactly the same reason. Democrats will be doing waaaaay more defending than the Republicans in 2024.

(11-09-2022 10:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 09:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 08:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I'm going to add something else to this topic and that's the fact that a lot of right leaning republicans that believe what they grew up with is the answer including the party. Also believe Trump won because it was Hillary and any other Republican other than Trump would have also won in 2016.

That was mistake number 1 and maybe the biggest mistake that got up to this point. Those people failed to read the room, like they do often. No other republican running in 2016 was going to beat Hillary....NONE. Any other Republican would have got curb stomped for a number of reason.

While Trump because of his personality is not the longterm answer. The fact that Republican leadership could not read the room and see it wasnt Hillary that got Donald Trump elected....it was the ideals Trump was running on that resonated with people of this country. I'm not talking about what the media wanted to make it into but actual policy that he wanted to bring to this government.

Republican leadership failed to understand that and allowed the democrats to paint a total different picture. Republicans mainly did this because they did not want those same policies because it moved the country toward the center. They wanted to keep their control.

Republicans ALLOWED us to get to this point by not seeing where this country was heading. They allowed it by agreeing with democrats on painting President Trump into what the media made him. They allowed it because they thought it was all Hillary and not what the man ran on.

They failed and just as much the reason we are moving farther left than most Americans can believe. Moving more to the right is going to turn this country over to democrat control till one thing happens....


people are losing jobs in large numbers during a election year

just wait until the q2 numbers in '23 come out....

to the rest, spot-on, Guns...

@fromTheField

I 100% agree the day is coming and once it does it will make 2008 look like child's play. People complain about prices and slow down on their buying but they are still able to make ends meet....

once they start losing jobs the panic sets in because then two things happen. You either find another, most likely at a lot lower income. Or you lose everything you worked for.

In the end both of those have the same results....lower income just on one of the two paychecks over a year or so will only buy you time. Once it happens all of those high prices people paid for home....not going to be able to afford them. Because once again history repeats itself......

low interest rates allowed people to buy more than they needed.

A lot of these 800k homes people should have been downsizing to 500k and so on and so on. Instead people pushed the good times of high salaries and low rates into buying more than they needed or could afford in a downturn. Well downturn is what we are seeing now....I should have said when you or your spouse loses a job or has to take one at a lot less pay.

The fear that Covid brought and the selfish acts of both parties because they feared Donald Trump allowed the shutdowns which allowed them to spend trillions and trillions of dollars.....

comes home to roost when people start losing jobs. Then start losing homes. Then everything that piggybacks on the home market that we saw in 2008...

America goes trillions and trillions more into debit or dont have it at all.

Most all of that because they feared Trump and the ideal, real ideals, not the media made up ones, that were gaining ground with working America. These damn politician will do everything in their power and that includes getting behind China/Covid to make sure they stay in power....

both side, democrats just play the game better, and to win, at all cost. That reads almost like a conspiracy theory but its very close to the past 6 years. I hope like hell I'm 100% wrong on the coming year or two....


even if I'm setting here waiting on it and will be in position (like 2008) to take full advantage of it.

What does it say about the mindset of Republicans that they actively root for the country to get worse in order to make their party look like a viable option

(11-09-2022 10:56 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 10:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 09:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 08:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I'm going to add something else to this topic and that's the fact that a lot of right leaning republicans that believe what they grew up with is the answer including the party. Also believe Trump won because it was Hillary and any other Republican other than Trump would have also won in 2016.

That was mistake number 1 and maybe the biggest mistake that got up to this point. Those people failed to read the room, like they do often. No other republican running in 2016 was going to beat Hillary....NONE. Any other Republican would have got curb stomped for a number of reason.

While Trump because of his personality is not the longterm answer. The fact that Republican leadership could not read the room and see it wasnt Hillary that got Donald Trump elected....it was the ideals Trump was running on that resonated with people of this country. I'm not talking about what the media wanted to make it into but actual policy that he wanted to bring to this government.

Republican leadership failed to understand that and allowed the democrats to paint a total different picture. Republicans mainly did this because they did not want those same policies because it moved the country toward the center. They wanted to keep their control.

Republicans ALLOWED us to get to this point by not seeing where this country was heading. They allowed it by agreeing with democrats on painting President Trump into what the media made him. They allowed it because they thought it was all Hillary and not what the man ran on.

They failed and just as much the reason we are moving farther left than most Americans can believe. Moving more to the right is going to turn this country over to democrat control till one thing happens....


people are losing jobs in large numbers during a election year

just wait until the q2 numbers in '23 come out....

to the rest, spot-on, Guns...

@fromTheField

I 100% agree the day is coming and once it does it will make 2008 look like child's play. People complain about prices and slow down on their buying but they are still able to make ends meet....

once they start losing jobs the panic sets in because then two things happen. You either find another, most likely at a lot lower income. Or you lose everything you worked for.

In the end both of those have the same results....lower income just on one of the two paychecks over a year or so will only buy you time. Once it happens all of those high prices people paid for home....not going to be able to afford them. Because once again history repeats itself......

low interest rates allowed people to buy more than they needed.

A lot of these 800k homes people should have been downsizing to 500k and so on and so on. Instead people pushed the good times of high salaries and low rates into buying more than they needed or could afford in a downturn. Well downturn is what we are seeing now....I should have said when you or your spouse loses a job or has to take one at a lot less pay.

The fear that Covid brought and the selfish acts of both parties because they feared Donald Trump allowed the shutdowns which allowed them to spend trillions and trillions of dollars.....

comes home to roost when people start losing jobs. Then start losing homes. Then everything that piggybacks on the home market that we saw in 2008...

America goes trillions and trillions more into debit or dont have it at all.

Most all of that because they feared Trump and the ideal, real ideals, not the media made up ones, that were gaining ground with working America. These damn politician will do everything in their power and that includes getting behind China/Covid to make sure they stay in power....

both side, democrats just play the game better, and to win, at all cost. That reads almost like a conspiracy theory but its very close to the past 6 years. I hope like hell I'm 100% wrong on the coming year or two....


even if I'm setting here waiting on it and will be in position (like 2008) to take full advantage of it.

What does it say about the mindset of Republicans that they actively root for the country to get worse in order to make their party look like a viable option

You mean democrats, right? You can also add in some republicans that got in bed with the democrats on Covid. But I can't believe people are so blind to see that the democrats only hope of getting Trump.....


destroying this country or at the brink of destroying it when China released Covid...accident or otherwise, doesnt matter.

I vote issues and not party but for the first time in maybe forever, I did not vote for a democrat at any level. I fear them that much at this point. Even if I dont trust Republicans

(11-09-2022 10:56 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 10:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 09:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 08:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I'm going to add something else to this topic and that's the fact that a lot of right leaning republicans that believe what they grew up with is the answer including the party. Also believe Trump won because it was Hillary and any other Republican other than Trump would have also won in 2016.

That was mistake number 1 and maybe the biggest mistake that got up to this point. Those people failed to read the room, like they do often. No other republican running in 2016 was going to beat Hillary....NONE. Any other Republican would have got curb stomped for a number of reason.

While Trump because of his personality is not the longterm answer. The fact that Republican leadership could not read the room and see it wasnt Hillary that got Donald Trump elected....it was the ideals Trump was running on that resonated with people of this country. I'm not talking about what the media wanted to make it into but actual policy that he wanted to bring to this government.

Republican leadership failed to understand that and allowed the democrats to paint a total different picture. Republicans mainly did this because they did not want those same policies because it moved the country toward the center. They wanted to keep their control.

Republicans ALLOWED us to get to this point by not seeing where this country was heading. They allowed it by agreeing with democrats on painting President Trump into what the media made him. They allowed it because they thought it was all Hillary and not what the man ran on.

They failed and just as much the reason we are moving farther left than most Americans can believe. Moving more to the right is going to turn this country over to democrat control till one thing happens....


people are losing jobs in large numbers during a election year

just wait until the q2 numbers in '23 come out....

to the rest, spot-on, Guns...

@fromTheField

I 100% agree the day is coming and once it does it will make 2008 look like child's play. People complain about prices and slow down on their buying but they are still able to make ends meet....

once they start losing jobs the panic sets in because then two things happen. You either find another, most likely at a lot lower income. Or you lose everything you worked for.

In the end both of those have the same results....lower income just on one of the two paychecks over a year or so will only buy you time. Once it happens all of those high prices people paid for home....not going to be able to afford them. Because once again history repeats itself......

low interest rates allowed people to buy more than they needed.

A lot of these 800k homes people should have been downsizing to 500k and so on and so on. Instead people pushed the good times of high salaries and low rates into buying more than they needed or could afford in a downturn. Well downturn is what we are seeing now....I should have said when you or your spouse loses a job or has to take one at a lot less pay.

The fear that Covid brought and the selfish acts of both parties because they feared Donald Trump allowed the shutdowns which allowed them to spend trillions and trillions of dollars.....

comes home to roost when people start losing jobs. Then start losing homes. Then everything that piggybacks on the home market that we saw in 2008...

America goes trillions and trillions more into debit or dont have it at all.

Most all of that because they feared Trump and the ideal, real ideals, not the media made up ones, that were gaining ground with working America. These damn politician will do everything in their power and that includes getting behind China/Covid to make sure they stay in power....

both side, democrats just play the game better, and to win, at all cost. That reads almost like a conspiracy theory but its very close to the past 6 years. I hope like hell I'm 100% wrong on the coming year or two....


even if I'm setting here waiting on it and will be in position (like 2008) to take full advantage of it.

What does it say about the mindset of Republicans that they actively root for the country to get worse in order to make their party look like a viable option

Why aren't you complaining about the country actually getting worse under the direction of your beloved progressives?

(11-09-2022 10:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 09:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 08:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I'm going to add something else to this topic and that's the fact that a lot of right leaning republicans that believe what they grew up with is the answer including the party. Also believe Trump won because it was Hillary and any other Republican other than Trump would have also won in 2016.

That was mistake number 1 and maybe the biggest mistake that got up to this point. Those people failed to read the room, like they do often. No other republican running in 2016 was going to beat Hillary....NONE. Any other Republican would have got curb stomped for a number of reason.

While Trump because of his personality is not the longterm answer. The fact that Republican leadership could not read the room and see it wasnt Hillary that got Donald Trump elected....it was the ideals Trump was running on that resonated with people of this country. I'm not talking about what the media wanted to make it into but actual policy that he wanted to bring to this government.

Republican leadership failed to understand that and allowed the democrats to paint a total different picture. Republicans mainly did this because they did not want those same policies because it moved the country toward the center. They wanted to keep their control.

Republicans ALLOWED us to get to this point by not seeing where this country was heading. They allowed it by agreeing with democrats on painting President Trump into what the media made him. They allowed it because they thought it was all Hillary and not what the man ran on.

They failed and just as much the reason we are moving farther left than most Americans can believe. Moving more to the right is going to turn this country over to democrat control till one thing happens....


people are losing jobs in large numbers during a election year

just wait until the q2 numbers in '23 come out....

to the rest, spot-on, Guns...

@fromTheField

I 100% agree the day is coming and once it does it will make 2008 look like child's play. People complain about prices and slow down on their buying but they are still able to make ends meet....

once they start losing jobs the panic sets in because then two things happen. You either find another, most likely at a lot lower income. Or you lose everything you worked for.

In the end both of those have the same results....lower income just on one of the two paychecks over a year or so will only buy you time. Once it happens all of those high prices people paid for home....not going to be able to afford them. Because once again history repeats itself......

low interest rates allowed people to buy more than they needed.

A lot of these 800k homes people should have been downsizing to 500k and so on and so on. Instead people pushed the good times of high salaries and low rates into buying more than they needed or could afford in a downturn. Well downturn is what we are seeing now....I should have said when you or your spouse loses a job or has to take one at a lot less pay.

The fear that Covid brought and the selfish acts of both parties because they feared Donald Trump allowed the shutdowns which allowed them to spend trillions and trillions of dollars.....

comes home to roost when people start losing jobs. Then start losing homes. Then everything that piggybacks on the home market that we saw in 2008...

America goes trillions and trillions more into debit or dont have it at all.

Most all of that because they feared Trump and the ideal, real ideals, not the media made up ones, that were gaining ground with working America. These damn politician will do everything in their power and that includes getting behind China/Covid to make sure they stay in power....

both side, democrats just play the game better, and to win, at all cost. That reads almost like a conspiracy theory but its very close to the past 6 years. I hope like hell I'm 100% wrong on the coming year or two....


even if I'm setting here waiting on it and will be in position (like 2008) to take full advantage of it.

you're in the drivers seat ... if my ex would've listened to me, so would thine ... my successes pale in comparison ... however, we're still playing the same game ... and Ja!, will pounce (once again) for the last time before #costa...

(11-09-2022 10:56 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 10:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 09:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 08:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I'm going to add something else to this topic and that's the fact that a lot of right leaning republicans that believe what they grew up with is the answer including the party. Also believe Trump won because it was Hillary and any other Republican other than Trump would have also won in 2016.

That was mistake number 1 and maybe the biggest mistake that got up to this point. Those people failed to read the room, like they do often. No other republican running in 2016 was going to beat Hillary....NONE. Any other Republican would have got curb stomped for a number of reason.

While Trump because of his personality is not the longterm answer. The fact that Republican leadership could not read the room and see it wasnt Hillary that got Donald Trump elected....it was the ideals Trump was running on that resonated with people of this country. I'm not talking about what the media wanted to make it into but actual policy that he wanted to bring to this government.

Republican leadership failed to understand that and allowed the democrats to paint a total different picture. Republicans mainly did this because they did not want those same policies because it moved the country toward the center. They wanted to keep their control.

Republicans ALLOWED us to get to this point by not seeing where this country was heading. They allowed it by agreeing with democrats on painting President Trump into what the media made him. They allowed it because they thought it was all Hillary and not what the man ran on.

They failed and just as much the reason we are moving farther left than most Americans can believe. Moving more to the right is going to turn this country over to democrat control till one thing happens....


people are losing jobs in large numbers during a election year

just wait until the q2 numbers in '23 come out....

to the rest, spot-on, Guns...

@fromTheField

I 100% agree the day is coming and once it does it will make 2008 look like child's play. People complain about prices and slow down on their buying but they are still able to make ends meet....

once they start losing jobs the panic sets in because then two things happen. You either find another, most likely at a lot lower income. Or you lose everything you worked for.

In the end both of those have the same results....lower income just on one of the two paychecks over a year or so will only buy you time. Once it happens all of those high prices people paid for home....not going to be able to afford them. Because once again history repeats itself......

low interest rates allowed people to buy more than they needed.

A lot of these 800k homes people should have been downsizing to 500k and so on and so on. Instead people pushed the good times of high salaries and low rates into buying more than they needed or could afford in a downturn. Well downturn is what we are seeing now....I should have said when you or your spouse loses a job or has to take one at a lot less pay.

The fear that Covid brought and the selfish acts of both parties because they feared Donald Trump allowed the shutdowns which allowed them to spend trillions and trillions of dollars.....

comes home to roost when people start losing jobs. Then start losing homes. Then everything that piggybacks on the home market that we saw in 2008...

America goes trillions and trillions more into debit or dont have it at all.

Most all of that because they feared Trump and the ideal, real ideals, not the media made up ones, that were gaining ground with working America. These damn politician will do everything in their power and that includes getting behind China/Covid to make sure they stay in power....

both side, democrats just play the game better, and to win, at all cost. That reads almost like a conspiracy theory but its very close to the past 6 years. I hope like hell I'm 100% wrong on the coming year or two....


even if I'm setting here waiting on it and will be in position (like 2008) to take full advantage of it.

What does it say about the mindset of Republicans that they actively root for the country to get worse in order to make their party look like a viable option

No no no

We don't want the entire US to be California or Michigan or Illinois or New York..... they can burn to the ground via leftist policies and rot.

It's why people are fleeing those shitholes by the millions.



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You can have all new platforms and new parties you want but until you clean up and regulate Covid-related voting changes especially mail-ins in certain counties, which is a form of mass ballot harvesting then you’re going to lose or see strange close wins

(11-09-2022 10:56 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 10:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 09:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-09-2022 08:52 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  I'm going to add something else to this topic and that's the fact that a lot of right leaning republicans that believe what they grew up with is the answer including the party. Also believe Trump won because it was Hillary and any other Republican other than Trump would have also won in 2016.

That was mistake number 1 and maybe the biggest mistake that got up to this point. Those people failed to read the room, like they do often. No other republican running in 2016 was going to beat Hillary....NONE. Any other Republican would have got curb stomped for a number of reason.

While Trump because of his personality is not the longterm answer. The fact that Republican leadership could not read the room and see it wasnt Hillary that got Donald Trump elected....it was the ideals Trump was running on that resonated with people of this country. I'm not talking about what the media wanted to make it into but actual policy that he wanted to bring to this government.

Republican leadership failed to understand that and allowed the democrats to paint a total different picture. Republicans mainly did this because they did not want those same policies because it moved the country toward the center. They wanted to keep their control.

Republicans ALLOWED us to get to this point by not seeing where this country was heading. They allowed it by agreeing with democrats on painting President Trump into what the media made him. They allowed it because they thought it was all Hillary and not what the man ran on.

They failed and just as much the reason we are moving farther left than most Americans can believe. Moving more to the right is going to turn this country over to democrat control till one thing happens....


people are losing jobs in large numbers during a election year

just wait until the q2 numbers in '23 come out....

to the rest, spot-on, Guns...

@fromTheField

I 100% agree the day is coming and once it does it will make 2008 look like child's play. People complain about prices and slow down on their buying but they are still able to make ends meet....

once they start losing jobs the panic sets in because then two things happen. You either find another, most likely at a lot lower income. Or you lose everything you worked for.

In the end both of those have the same results....lower income just on one of the two paychecks over a year or so will only buy you time. Once it happens all of those high prices people paid for home....not going to be able to afford them. Because once again history repeats itself......

low interest rates allowed people to buy more than they needed.

A lot of these 800k homes people should have been downsizing to 500k and so on and so on. Instead people pushed the good times of high salaries and low rates into buying more than they needed or could afford in a downturn. Well downturn is what we are seeing now....I should have said when you or your spouse loses a job or has to take one at a lot less pay.

The fear that Covid brought and the selfish acts of both parties because they feared Donald Trump allowed the shutdowns which allowed them to spend trillions and trillions of dollars.....

comes home to roost when people start losing jobs. Then start losing homes. Then everything that piggybacks on the home market that we saw in 2008...

America goes trillions and trillions more into debit or dont have it at all.

Most all of that because they feared Trump and the ideal, real ideals, not the media made up ones, that were gaining ground with working America. These damn politician will do everything in their power and that includes getting behind China/Covid to make sure they stay in power....

both side, democrats just play the game better, and to win, at all cost. That reads almost like a conspiracy theory but its very close to the past 6 years. I hope like hell I'm 100% wrong on the coming year or two....


even if I'm setting here waiting on it and will be in position (like 2008) to take full advantage of it.

What does it say about the mindset of Republicans that they actively root for the country to get worse in order to make their party look like a viable option

Guess you were in a coma when Trump was president and democrats prayed for calamites to weaken him. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

The GOP has been a cult of personality for the past 6 years without even drafting a party platform in 2020. Until they address the MAGGAT leading the party, then the GOP will continue to underperform.

Gas at my typical place went up 30cents while I was asleep. Was gonna get it on the way home last night and it was $3.09. Got it this morning and it was $3.39. Oh boy. Get ready for things to get worse. No more election to worry about.

(11-09-2022 11:03 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Yeah---I dont buy the "lack of seriousness" narrative. Things are bad and the party that brought us "bad" is in power. Trying something different is the only alternative choice the voters ever really get in this situation. Would I like a more defined alternate vision---sure, but we rarely ever really get much in the way of detailed proposed solutions from candidates (the House/Senate agenda doesnt really matter since neither the Senate or House can enact any agenda without Bidens cooperation and the cooperation of the Senate 40-49 member minority).

Governors are going to have to step up. The Feds cannot clean up election issues.

The Governors need to go after the offending states' Governors in their conferences. Do it in private first, and then take it public. A literal "My state doesn't have this problem. You are embarrassing the rest of us. Clean up your act."

25 states going after Arizona to clean up their act makes it the press. It also makes headlines in that state.

Might not work, but it is worth a try. There is nothing to lose.