Just floating this idea, but what would you say to a scheduling alliance, bowl alliance, hoops alliance with the Pac12? Would it be mutually beneficial? Do you think the Pac and BigTen relationship has been strained by the BigTen coup?

How about we invite WA, OR, Stanford, Cal and 2 others and change the name to the American Coast Conference.

I like parts of your idea, but I’d prefer if the 2 conferences remained distinct. But if the 2 conferences became 1, I like the name change.

I think their is some merit to such an alliances, but I am not sure it would be better than status quo, or just moving to a 9 game ACC schedule.

Pros:
More money for ACC network (more content, increase CA carriage fees, increase quality and quantity of advertisers).

Better scheduling opportunities for all schools with more exciting opponents than typical g5 schools.

Exposure to Pacific coast recruiting grounds.

Cons

PAC 12 games and viewership is hobbled by time zone. Late night games are not good for viewership.

Sports media likes to diss the ACC, PAC 12 does not get much better, so media value, or supposed SOS help may not be worthwhile.

Recruiting grounds not as good as Atlantic and Gulf coast states.

Reworking sports schedules could prove to be a problem. Some schools want local teams even if they are G5, so they get crowd draws and more home games compared to home and homes with far away teams that are not likely to travel coast to coast. And just increase travel costs.

UW, cal, Stanford, and UOr probably have big 10 aspirations that will likely prevent any such alliance. They will not likely sign onto anything that will hold them in the PAC in case the BIG sends out an invite.

CA and west coast politics. UCAS board of regents may kill the UCLA move to big10. They have previously stopped their schools from scheduling activities in states that have laws which are in conflict with the CA interpretation of civil rights. A lot of the good ACC schools are in those states. While CA is not the total PAC, they are the major population center where the money is at.

Hard no on scheduling alliance and hoops alliance and maybe on bowl alliance. Sharing the ACCN was a possibility. With Pac 12 leaning toward Amazon, I don’t think it’s likely.

The ACC should just poach Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and ASU.

I was thinking more along the lines of a hoops ACCPac challenge, 3 or 4 bowl ties and a couple of big regular season football games a year.

The conference the ACC needs to ally with is the Big XII.
Better ACC rivalries
Better recruiting grounds
Better basketball
Less travel

(11-06-2022 05:37 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Just floating this idea, but what would you say to a scheduling alliance, bowl alliance, hoops alliance with the Pac12? Would it be mutually beneficial? Do you think the Pac and BigTen relationship has been strained by the BigTen coup?

Travel would be a killer.

The greatest value left in the P12 is in the Northwest, the easiest transition to the ACC is in the Rockies.

Colorado, Utah, and Arizona State are not the prime cuts of the P12 but they are 800 miles closer than Washington or Oregon.

Of course the relationship has to be strained but the PCAA/P5/6/8/10/12 has always had some internal strife related to boosters, cheating, and certain schools' ego.

I think the real issue is will Northern California support college football and by support that has to be from Stanford, because it's not coming from Cal.

(11-06-2022 07:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The conference the ACC needs to ally with is the Big XII.
Better ACC rivalries
Better recruiting grounds
Better basketball
Less travel

I agree, I always thought a partnership with the ACC was a natural for the Big 12 and vice versa. There already ready-made yearly or biennial regional rivalries. And we're both part of ESPN.

(11-06-2022 07:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The conference the ACC needs to ally with is the Big XII.
Better ACC rivalries
Better recruiting grounds
Better basketball
Less travel

That’s the conference we eventually want to stab in the back right?

I'd rather ally with the Big XII than the PAC.

But if we're allowed to dream about poaching from the PAC, gimme Oregon, Washington, Arizona and Arizona State.

Since we're dreaming, let's go ahead and add West Virginia and Cincinnati too.

Then you have 5 foursomes with built in rivalries to schedule around.

UNC
NC State
Wake
Duke

Florida State
Miami
Clemson
Georgia Tech

Virginia
Virginia Tech
Syracuse
Boston College

Louisville
Pitt
West Virginia
Cincinnati

Oregon
Washington
Arizona
Arizona State

That'd be pretty strong. Even outside of a dream.

Why not Utah instead of ASU?

(11-07-2022 06:03 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Why not Utah instead of ASU?

ASU has market presence in LA and LV, UA does not.

https://lajolla.com/news/california-stud...niversity/

ASU has more alums in California than WF has alums or close to it.

The third university in the SD/LA markets is Arizona State, not SDSU, not Cal, not Stanford.

The Phoenix DMA, Tuscon DMA, and Yuma/El Centro DMA are all ASU core DMA's and they adjoin LA, SD, Palm Springs, and Albuquerque. ASU by itself gives the ACC full entry to the Southwest US and it's not Hell to get to.

Colorado gives all of Colorado, parts of Wyoming and Western Nebraska as a core, plus Salt Lake and Albuquerque as next door neighbors.

Utah gives you all of Utah and south side Idaho and SW Wyoming, with being next door to Las Vegas.

These three have a lot of people in their core and peripheral DMA's and they are 800 miles closer to ACC territory than Washington or Oregon.

How about go to 20 with something "controllable and manageable"

ACC West - Utah/ASU/Colorado/TT/TCU
ACC North - Cincy/Louisville/Pitt/Syracuse/BC
ACC East - VT/UVa/UNC/NC State/Miami
ACC South - WF/Duke/GT/Clemson/FSU

4 school football playoff - top two seeds host in first round.

Adds 58 million people not including next door to LV, LA, and SD.

(11-06-2022 07:24 PM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Cons

PAC 12 games and viewership is hobbled by time zone. Late night games are not good for viewership.

I have never understood this part and hopefully someone can explain it to me.

Best analogy that explains my thought process is NFL going to play in London. You have an early game followed by regular NFL games. NFL has some traditional viewers who join in early but gets more people from the associated time zone. Similarly I would imagine while yes it would be a night game, but engaging PST individuals would be more desired. IMO the ACCN would be killing it across multiple time zones - similar strategy by BIG10.

Why is it that whenever discussion about PAC10 is done, viewership always come into play?

If you mean the ACC Network will have exclusive rights to broadcast Pac-12 games to West Coast households through ESPN cable providers. YES! While the joint move could feature marquee non conference matchups from the West and East Coasts—think Clemson-Washington or Miami-Oregon. Maybe this will replace the ACC / BIG10 challenge.

(11-07-2022 05:31 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(11-06-2022 07:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The conference the ACC needs to ally with is the Big XII.
Better ACC rivalries
Better recruiting grounds
Better basketball
Less travel

That’s the conference we eventually want to stab in the back right?

Tough to do when all you have is a spoon...

(11-07-2022 06:38 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  How about go to 20 with something "controllable and manageable"

ACC West - Utah/ASU/Colorado/TT/TCU
ACC North - Cincy/Louisville/Pitt/Syracuse/BC
ACC East - VT/UVa/UNC/NC State/Miami
ACC South - WF/Duke/GT/Clemson/FSU

4 school football playoff - top two seeds host in first round.

Adds 58 million people not including next door to LV, LA, and SD.

Don’t worry about the fit. It’s all about $$$. The profit maximizing set up would be:

ACC West - Oregon/ASU/Washington/Stanford/TCU
ACC North - Cincy/Louisville/Pitt/Syracuse/BC
ACC East - VT/UVa/UNC/NC State/Duke
ACC South - WF/Miami/GT/Clemson/FSU

Align with the SEC. Way better and a lot closer