(12-26-2022 06:30 PM)Steel Dragon Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:55 AM)pablowow Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:40 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:38 AM)UVA_guy81 Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 10:31 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  [quote='XLance' pid='18688574' dateline='1672066567']

At some point Notre Dame will be faced with a decision.
If the ACC allows uneven revenue distribution to accommodate Notre Dame's "outside TV income" and the Irish can earn SEC/B1G money while still being a part of the ACC, they will not join the B1G.
The ACC with Notre Dame and x (pick one: USF, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Maryland, Purdue, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Navy) would command P. 2 3/4 money and a large east coast aduience.

The ACC will never allow uneven revenue distribution and even if they would, Notre Dame would not get SEC/B10 levels of revenue from the networks as some of the money be siphoned off to the conference. What could happen is that programs would be rewarded for performance and thus would get more money based on how much they win.

An ACC with Notre Dame likely gets about 80% (maybe slightly more) of what the SEC/B10 will get. However, Notre Dame would have an easier path to the playoffs than they do now and that alone would make it enticing for them to join especially once the new playoff is in place.

None of the SEC or B10 schools will leave for the ACC. That ain't happening. The best that the ACC can do at this time would be to pursue some B12 programs. I don't think that Navy would leave as the competition would be somewhat tougher and they are already having issues with the portal (players can leave but it's tough to get in for the folks who would want to go there).

USF, Cinci and WVU would definitely bolt. Same can be said for USF although they won't get in as long as FSU and Miami is in the conference.

Do you think that SMU, Houston or TCU would accept an ACC invite if given?

SMU yes

I think at the right time … SMU, RICE, TULANE, Memphis will be added to the ACC or BIG 12 .. as the PAC fills in and ACC loses teams
I'm a UAB fan. I also believe that UAB has the potential to go to the P5 brand new facility and stadium. It's a geographical fit. The Big 12 has shown interest with the previous commissioner. The SEC office is across the street from Protective Stadium. There is no major professional team in Alabama.

...I STILL think there would be some interest for the BigXII planting a conference logo flag literally across the street from SECHQ... if they do grab some AACers, and already having UCF, who knows? UAB still has some work to do, duh, but we are in a WAY better spot than anyone figured this time six years ago...

(12-27-2022 11:07 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 06:30 PM)Steel Dragon Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:55 AM)pablowow Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:40 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:38 AM)UVA_guy81 Wrote:  The ACC will never allow uneven revenue distribution and even if they would, Notre Dame would not get SEC/B10 levels of revenue from the networks as some of the money be siphoned off to the conference. What could happen is that programs would be rewarded for performance and thus would get more money based on how much they win.

An ACC with Notre Dame likely gets about 80% (maybe slightly more) of what the SEC/B10 will get. However, Notre Dame would have an easier path to the playoffs than they do now and that alone would make it enticing for them to join especially once the new playoff is in place.

None of the SEC or B10 schools will leave for the ACC. That ain't happening. The best that the ACC can do at this time would be to pursue some B12 programs. I don't think that Navy would leave as the competition would be somewhat tougher and they are already having issues with the portal (players can leave but it's tough to get in for the folks who would want to go there).

USF, Cinci and WVU would definitely bolt. Same can be said for USF although they won't get in as long as FSU and Miami is in the conference.

Do you think that SMU, Houston or TCU would accept an ACC invite if given?

SMU yes

I think at the right time … SMU, RICE, TULANE, Memphis will be added to the ACC or BIG 12 .. as the PAC fills in and ACC loses teams
I'm a UAB fan. I also believe that UAB has the potential to go to the P5 brand new facility and stadium. It's a geographical fit. The Big 12 has shown interest with the previous commissioner. The SEC office is across the street from Protective Stadium. There is no major professional team in Alabama.

...I STILL think there would be some interest for the BigXII planting a conference logo flag literally across the street from SECHQ... if they do grab some AACers, and already having UCF, who knows? UAB still has some work to do, duh, but we are in a WAY better spot than anyone figured this time six years ago...

I agree….

(12-27-2022 11:45 AM)pablowow Wrote:  

(12-27-2022 11:07 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 06:30 PM)Steel Dragon Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:55 AM)pablowow Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:40 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Do you think that SMU, Houston or TCU would accept an ACC invite if given?

SMU yes

Alabama would have the UAB football program shut down again before they allowed that..lol

I think the next expansion ball is in the Pac 12's court...

If they mealy mouth around and either do nothing or only take SDSU, I think they are setting themselves up for failure. IMO, they should be bold and firmly plant a flag in Texas, Big 12, and SEC territory while gaining central time zone inventory at the same time..Go for 6..

A central time zone quartet with SMU, Rice, Tulane, and Memphis..SDSU for some SoCal presence, either UNLV for the market or Fresno for the central valley.

I think at the right time … SMU, RICE, TULANE, Memphis will be added to the ACC or BIG 12 .. as the PAC fills in and ACC loses teams
I'm a UAB fan. I also believe that UAB has the potential to go to the P5 brand new facility and stadium. It's a geographical fit. The Big 12 has shown interest with the previous commissioner. The SEC office is across the street from Protective Stadium. There is no major professional team in Alabama.

...I STILL think there would be some interest for the BigXII planting a conference logo flag literally across the street from SECHQ... if they do grab some AACers, and already having UCF, who knows? UAB still has some work to do, duh, but we are in a WAY better spot than anyone figured this time six years ago...

I agree….

(12-26-2022 11:55 AM)pablowow Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:40 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:38 AM)UVA_guy81 Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 10:31 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 09:56 AM)XLance Wrote:  At some point Notre Dame will be faced with a decision.
If the ACC allows uneven revenue distribution to accommodate Notre Dame's "outside TV income" and the Irish can earn SEC/B1G money while still being a part of the ACC, they will not join the B1G.
The ACC with Notre Dame and x (pick one: USF, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Maryland, Purdue, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Navy) would command P. 2 3/4 money and a large east coast aduience.

The ACC will never allow uneven revenue distribution and even if they would, Notre Dame would not get SEC/B10 levels of revenue from the networks as some of the money be siphoned off to the conference. What could happen is that programs would be rewarded for performance and thus would get more money based on how much they win.

An ACC with Notre Dame likely gets about 80% (maybe slightly more) of what the SEC/B10 will get. However, Notre Dame would have an easier path to the playoffs than they do now and that alone would make it enticing for them to join especially once the new playoff is in place.

None of the SEC or B10 schools will leave for the ACC. That ain't happening. The best that the ACC can do at this time would be to pursue some B12 programs. I don't think that Navy would leave as the competition would be somewhat tougher and they are already having issues with the portal (players can leave but it's tough to get in for the folks who would want to go there).

USF, Cinci and WVU would definitely bolt. Same can be said for USF although they won't get in as long as FSU and Miami is in the conference.

Do you think that SMU, Houston or TCU would accept an ACC invite if given?

SMU yes

I think at the right time … SMU, RICE, TULANE, Memphis will be added to the ACC or BIG 12 .. as the PAC fills in and ACC loses teams

Memphis could go to either, but I think the other three are more likely to the B12 than to the ACC - geography is a thing. Just ask UCLA...

(12-26-2022 12:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 05:14 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-25-2022 03:29 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 10:53 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 10:45 AM)Crayton Wrote:  Oof. Missed news of the pro rata. Those eyes will be a-wanderin'. Once (if) a few 4C schools jump, I wonder if Oregon and Washington jump as well.

Related, if the Pac-10 deal is satisfactory and no one jumps, who (if anyone) does the Big 12 target for future expansion? Yormark was vocal on "going national".

Why do we assume the "4 Corners" all think alike. Colorado and Arizona look a lot more like ACC schools than Big XII schools.

If K-Dub can't convince the dorks at the Big Ten roundtable to expand:

ACC type beat: Wash, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Colorado

Big XII type beat: Wazzou, Beaver St., Tempe St., Utah

Colorado was a former Big 12 school how could they "look" more like an ACC school than a Big 12 school? And for years the Arizona schools were considered potential Big 12 schools because of the similar cultures. I know that you have been anxious about the New Big 12 passing the ACC in the pecking order (you even pushed for the ACC to raid the Big 12) but the ACC is stuck with that deal and an uncertain future and TV shot down an ACC/Pac-12 collaboration months ago as well as ACC expansion out West. ESPN will get their West Coast content via the Big 12 not the ACC.

lol easy. The Big XII today doesn’t look anything like the Big XII of 1996. If you don’t understand how Colorado looks institutionally more like ACC schools than Big XII schools, well, I can’t help you.

I didn’t push for a raid, I’ve said Houston would be one of the few schools I think the ACC should expand with. They’re not a Big XII school yet.

There is no ACC "type." Louisville, Virginia Tech, UNC, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Wake Forest, FSU. The ACC is a mish-mash.

The ACC, though expansion, has effectively become a pretty decent basketball conference with some football prowess. Essentially, some Southern schools combined with much of the former big east.

And I think if we see FSU, Clemson, and possibly 1 or 2 others move to the SEC, I think that the ACC brand will coalesce even more.

(12-26-2022 02:01 PM)CFBLurker Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 10:31 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 09:56 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 12:45 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

None of the SEC or B10 schools will leave for the ACC. That ain't happening The best that the ACC can do at this time would be to pursue some B12 programs. I don't think that Navy would leave as the competition would be somewhat tougher and they are already having issues with the portal (players can leave but it's tough to get in for the folks who would want to go there).

USF, Cinci and WVU would definitely bolt. Same can be said for USF although they won't get in as long as FSU and Miami is in the conference.

With a 70 million buy out plus GOR that isn't going to happen either. The payout between the 2 is to close to the same for that to happen.

In fairness we have no idea the penalty structure or amounts of the new Big 12 deal. I certainly don't think it's going to have quite that much bite because I don't think WVU,Kansas or OK State would agree to such penalties.

WVU covets ACC,Kansas the Big 10 and Oklahoma State would leap at the chance to join the SEC

hard to argue against that.

(12-26-2022 06:54 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I know when I hear Atlantic Coast the first thing that comes to my mind is Colorado.

rofl

While I understand the USC move, all the rest of these cross country moves (or suggested cross-country moves) just seem like moves of expedience or desperation.

(12-27-2022 09:17 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 12:25 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 10:31 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 09:56 AM)XLance Wrote:  

None of the SEC or B10 schools will leave for the ACC. That ain't happening The best that the ACC can do at this time would be to pursue some B12 programs. I don't think that Navy would leave as the competition would be somewhat tougher and they are already having issues with the portal (players can leave but it's tough to get in for the folks who would want to go there).

USF, Cinci and WVU would definitely bolt. Same can be said for USF although they won't get in as long as FSU and Miami is in the conference.

With a 70 million buy out plus GOR that isn't going to happen either. The payout between the 2 is to close to the same for that to happen.

Just to be clear, the GOR has not been signed if I understand correctly. The exit fees have been disputed and successfully challenged.

It will be signed before the ACC makes any moves. Nothing big happens in ACC for at least 5 and more likely 10 years.

mmm I dunno about that. I think we have a window in the next year or so for movement - and not just the ACC.

But if that window passes, I think we're looking at 2029/2030s (when the next media deals start to expire).

(12-26-2022 09:30 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  The ACC would be smart to proactively expand, the problem is the power brokers in the ACC (FSU, Clemson, UNC) have no interest in expanding. It's only a matter of time before the B1G and the SEC expand again. The aforementioned schools plus a few others that they bring along (Miami, UVA, Duke) will be able to secure high-value TV contracts in an S2 conference.

The mid-level ACC programs (Louisville, Pitt, NC State, VTech) will probably end up in the red-headed stepchild Big 12 power conference and the lower-level power schools (BC, Wake, maybe Syracuse, maybe GTech) will be left to band with the rest of the G5 misfits.

The ACC is waiting for ND to join before they add a 16th member. They like having all member schools in one time zone. So who would they add if ND ever joined. Here is a list by television ratings & viewers. There would be no reason for the ACC to invite any PAC member as their are options in their "footprint" offer the same ratings/viewership.Now PAC12 games on the ACCN is a different story... Below is a sample:


School................All games 2013-2021...........Top 36 games..................Rank
West Virginia.......89 Games/1.47mm...............2.587mm........................38
UCF....................65 Games/1.012mm.............1.629mm........................56
Cincinnati............58 Games/1.082mm............1.557mm........................58
USF....................48 Games/0.861mm.............1.103mm........................68
Temple...............42 Games/0.773mm.............0.891mm........................70
Connecticut.........31 Games/0.571mm..............N/A...............................N/A


(https://sicem365.com/s/13048/how-many-vi...am-attract)

(12-28-2022 09:04 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 09:30 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  The ACC would be smart to proactively expand, the problem is the power brokers in the ACC (FSU, Clemson, UNC) have no interest in expanding. It's only a matter of time before the B1G and the SEC expand again. The aforementioned schools plus a few others that they bring along (Miami, UVA, Duke) will be able to secure high-value TV contracts in an S2 conference.

The mid-level ACC programs (Louisville, Pitt, NC State, VTech) will probably end up in the red-headed stepchild Big 12 power conference and the lower-level power schools (BC, Wake, maybe Syracuse, maybe GTech) will be left to band with the rest of the G5 misfits.

The ACC is waiting for ND to join before they add a 16th member. They like having all member schools in one time zone. So who would they add if ND ever joined. Here is a list by television ratings & viewers. There would be no reason for the ACC to invite any PAC member as their are options in their "footprint" offer the same ratings/viewership.Now PAC12 games on the ACCN is a different story... Below is a sample:


School................All games 2013-2021...........Top 36 games..................Rank
West Virginia.......89 Games/1.47mm...............2.587mm........................38
UCF....................65 Games/1.012mm.............1.629mm........................56
Cincinnati............58 Games/1.082mm............1.557mm........................58
USF....................48 Games/0.861mm.............1.103mm........................68
Temple...............42 Games/0.773mm.............0.891mm........................70
Connecticut.........31 Games/0.571mm..............N/A...............................N/A


(https://sicem365.com/s/13048/how-many-vi...am-attract)

Like Frank says, no conference is basing their decisions on ND joining.


WVU is the only school in the ACC region that would be a sports fit, but it's pretty clear at this point that the ACC doesn't consider them an academic fit.

(12-28-2022 05:41 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 02:01 PM)CFBLurker Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 10:31 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 09:56 AM)XLance Wrote:  

None of the SEC or B10 schools will leave for the ACC. That ain't happening The best that the ACC can do at this time would be to pursue some B12 programs. I don't think that Navy would leave as the competition would be somewhat tougher and they are already having issues with the portal (players can leave but it's tough to get in for the folks who would want to go there).

USF, Cinci and WVU would definitely bolt. Same can be said for USF although they won't get in as long as FSU and Miami is in the conference.

With a 70 million buy out plus GOR that isn't going to happen either. The payout between the 2 is to close to the same for that to happen.

In fairness we have no idea the penalty structure or amounts of the new Big 12 deal. I certainly don't think it's going to have quite that much bite because I don't think WVU,Kansas or OK State would agree to such penalties.

WVU covets ACC,Kansas the Big 10 and Oklahoma State would leap at the chance to join the SEC

hard to argue against that.

I would argue against that, strongly. None of the big 12 leftovers were expecting to get from where they were in June of 2021 to where they are today. Nobody wanted any of them. They replaced 2 top 10 brands with 4 g5 schools and got a raise for their trouble. It's like a walk off grand slam to win the world series for them. They signed whatever they were told to sign, whenever and wherever they were told to sign it, and skipped all the way back to their constituents to brag about what a great job they'd done. Does that mean that every one of them wouldn't prefer to be in the P2? Of course not. It just means that they got the best deal they could have possibly gotten, and they managed to achieve something that the big 12 hasn't had since its inception: stability.

(12-28-2022 11:39 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 05:41 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 02:01 PM)CFBLurker Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 11:23 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-26-2022 10:31 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  None of the SEC or B10 schools will leave for the ACC. That ain't happening The best that the ACC can do at this time would be to pursue some B12 programs. I don't think that Navy would leave as the competition would be somewhat tougher and they are already having issues with the portal (players can leave but it's tough to get in for the folks who would want to go there).

USF, Cinci and WVU would definitely bolt. Same can be said for USF although they won't get in as long as FSU and Miami is in the conference.

With a 70 million buy out plus GOR that isn't going to happen either. The payout between the 2 is to close to the same for that to happen.

In fairness we have no idea the penalty structure or amounts of the new Big 12 deal. I certainly don't think it's going to have quite that much bite because I don't think WVU,Kansas or OK State would agree to such penalties.

WVU covets ACC,Kansas the Big 10 and Oklahoma State would leap at the chance to join the SEC

hard to argue against that.

I would argue against that, strongly. None of the big 12 leftovers were expecting to get from where they were in June of 2021 to where they are today. Nobody wanted any of them. They replaced 2 top 10 brands with 4 g5 schools and got a raise for their trouble. It's like a walk off grand slam to win the world series for them. They signed whatever they were told to sign, whenever and wherever they were told to sign it, and skipped all the way back to their constituents to brag about what a great job they'd done. Does that mean that every one of them wouldn't prefer to be in the P2? Of course not. It just means that they got the best deal they could have possibly gotten, and they managed to achieve something that the big 12 hasn't had since its inception: stability.

Of the three, I'll agree that OK state is the least likely to get an invite.

But the other 2 are possible.

That aside, there are still those out there who think that the PAC might invite a division-worth of schools from the B12 as a package. If so, Kansas and OK state would likely be part of that.

At this point - unless the ACC stops sitting on their hands, risk adverse - I think only Kansas has a possibility of movement on the short term. But even that depends on some of the other factors swirling around at the moment.

(12-28-2022 09:13 PM)Poster Wrote:  Like Frank says, no conference is basing their decisions on ND joining.

WVU is the only school in the ACC region that would be a sports fit, but it's pretty clear at this point that the ACC doesn't consider them an academic fit.

To your point the ACC is actually waiting on ND (research their contract/agreement), which means there will be no additions unless someone leaves the ACC (not before 2035-36) or ND decides to join the ACC.