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RE: TCU and Baylor to the ACC
(11-04-2022 12:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-04-2022 11:33 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  
(11-04-2022 11:26 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-04-2022 11:22 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Shame on you Terry for defaming Choo Choo like that.

I have absolutely no idea who or what that is.

Wait, do you mean Charlie Weis?

My bad. Perhaps an ACC team can hire him for a "decided schematic advantage" too?

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You put down one of UNC's teams from the 40's which means you put down Carl Snavely and Charlie "Choo Choo" Justice. He of the highest paid football player in America - finished second in the Heisman twice.

You stabbed directly into the soul of UNC football. 03-shhhh

Hey! You never addressed my question about UR, VMI, and The Citadel!

What was the question?
11-04-2022 03:12 PM
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RE: TCU and Baylor to the ACC
(11-02-2022 02:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-01-2022 04:30 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Very little is new, but lots of things have new names.

The social/cultural things you find deep in the origins of something have a tendency to carry forward. This is why old Methodist U's, Baptist U's, Catholic U's, Civic U's, Land Grant U's, Colonial U's, and State U's end up looking so similar decades and centuries later.

Methodists - Auburn/Syracuse/Emory/Duke/SMU/Vandy/NW - now Auburn went broke, then was broken by the Civil War, then had Bama on it's ass for a century - hence one of the reasons Auburn is a little different from it's Methodist kith and kin.

Catholics - Do I really know the difference between a Jesuit, a Priest, a Pope, and a Nun, - does it matter? I do know that ND, BC, Georgetown, St. Johns, and Villanova are Catholic. They seem to keep Universities smaller and more structured than your Animal House analogues.

Baptists - WF and Furman dropped the Southern Baptist Convention. Argument and controversy follow the Baptist Church because their governing structure is non-hierarchical encouraging splitting off. Baylor has been a poster child for controversy this last decade or so.

The Colonial Snobs took their ball and went home.

The Cow Colleges cluster next to each other like so many of the football fields look out over an old or a continuing cow pasture - Penn State, VT, NC State - others step forward and accept your cow bell.

The Civic crowd are your city colleges - Pitt, Miami, Cincy, etc., etc. Egalitarian, less snobish.

Then you have State U's whose feces never stink like UNC, Michigan, Cal, etc., etc - all so assured they are better than everyone else because they were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a triple.

If you have been offended you are probably a poor reader as this is meant to be funny but also satirical. It's very difficult to change who and what you are. Your past shapes you. The past shapes the individual P-5's. If the P-5 you pull for has not won a national title in the last 40 years - you aint winnin' one in your lifetime.

You forgot our military brothers at VMI and the Citadel!

Where would you place Richmond, civic? Wasn't it founded Baptist?

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RE: TCU and Baylor to the ACC
(11-04-2022 06:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-02-2022 02:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-01-2022 04:30 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Very little is new, but lots of things have new names.

The social/cultural things you find deep in the origins of something have a tendency to carry forward. This is why old Methodist U's, Baptist U's, Catholic U's, Civic U's, Land Grant U's, Colonial U's, and State U's end up looking so similar decades and centuries later.

Methodists - Auburn/Syracuse/Emory/Duke/SMU/Vandy/NW - now Auburn went broke, then was broken by the Civil War, then had Bama on it's ass for a century - hence one of the reasons Auburn is a little different from it's Methodist kith and kin.

Catholics - Do I really know the difference between a Jesuit, a Priest, a Pope, and a Nun, - does it matter? I do know that ND, BC, Georgetown, St. Johns, and Villanova are Catholic. They seem to keep Universities smaller and more structured than your Animal House analogues.

Baptists - WF and Furman dropped the Southern Baptist Convention. Argument and controversy follow the Baptist Church because their governing structure is non-hierarchical encouraging splitting off. Baylor has been a poster child for controversy this last decade or so.

The Colonial Snobs took their ball and went home.

The Cow Colleges cluster next to each other like so many of the football fields look out over an old or a continuing cow pasture - Penn State, VT, NC State - others step forward and accept your cow bell.

The Civic crowd are your city colleges - Pitt, Miami, Cincy, etc., etc. Egalitarian, less snobish.

Then you have State U's whose feces never stink like UNC, Michigan, Cal, etc., etc - all so assured they are better than everyone else because they were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a triple.

If you have been offended you are probably a poor reader as this is meant to be funny but also satirical. It's very difficult to change who and what you are. Your past shapes you. The past shapes the individual P-5's. If the P-5 you pull for has not won a national title in the last 40 years - you aint winnin' one in your lifetime.

You forgot our military brothers at VMI and the Citadel!

Where would you place Richmond, civic? Wasn't it founded Baptist?

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Baptist like WF
11-04-2022 07:57 PM
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RE: TCU and Baylor to the ACC
Getting back to the OP and thread title: what possible reason would TCU and Baylor have that would make them interested in joining the ACC?
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RE: TCU and Baylor to the ACC
(11-08-2022 11:24 AM)ken d Wrote:  Getting back to the OP and thread title: what possible reason would TCU and Baylor have that would make them interested in joining the ACC?

Well the OP suggests that if those two joined, that the ACC contract with ESPN would be re-opened and each ACC school could be making in the range of $75 Million per year after renegotiation.
So if that premise is remotely correct, I would say that their reason would be money.
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RE: TCU and Baylor to the ACC
(11-08-2022 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-08-2022 11:24 AM)ken d Wrote:  Getting back to the OP and thread title: what possible reason would TCU and Baylor have that would make them interested in joining the ACC?

Well the OP suggests that if those two joined, that the ACC contract with ESPN would be re-opened and each ACC school could be making in the range of $75 Million per year after renegotiation.
So if that premise is remotely correct, I would say that their reason would be money.
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I think we can all agree that premise is not remotely correct.
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RE: TCU and Baylor to the ACC
(11-08-2022 02:41 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-08-2022 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-08-2022 11:24 AM)ken d Wrote:  Getting back to the OP and thread title: what possible reason would TCU and Baylor have that would make them interested in joining the ACC?

Well the OP suggests that if those two joined, that the ACC contract with ESPN would be re-opened and each ACC school could be making in the range of $75 Million per year after renegotiation.
So if that premise is remotely correct, I would say that their reason would be money.
04-cheers

I think we can all agree that premise is not remotely correct.

But it was the OP and you wanted to get back to the OP.07-coffee3
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RE: TCU and Baylor to the ACC
(11-04-2022 07:57 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  
(11-04-2022 06:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-02-2022 02:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(11-01-2022 04:30 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Very little is new, but lots of things have new names.

The social/cultural things you find deep in the origins of something have a tendency to carry forward. This is why old Methodist U's, Baptist U's, Catholic U's, Civic U's, Land Grant U's, Colonial U's, and State U's end up looking so similar decades and centuries later.

Methodists - Auburn/Syracuse/Emory/Duke/SMU/Vandy/NW - now Auburn went broke, then was broken by the Civil War, then had Bama on it's ass for a century - hence one of the reasons Auburn is a little different from it's Methodist kith and kin.

Catholics - Do I really know the difference between a Jesuit, a Priest, a Pope, and a Nun, - does it matter? I do know that ND, BC, Georgetown, St. Johns, and Villanova are Catholic. They seem to keep Universities smaller and more structured than your Animal House analogues.

Baptists - WF and Furman dropped the Southern Baptist Convention. Argument and controversy follow the Baptist Church because their governing structure is non-hierarchical encouraging splitting off. Baylor has been a poster child for controversy this last decade or so.

The Colonial Snobs took their ball and went home.

The Cow Colleges cluster next to each other like so many of the football fields look out over an old or a continuing cow pasture - Penn State, VT, NC State - others step forward and accept your cow bell.

The Civic crowd are your city colleges - Pitt, Miami, Cincy, etc., etc. Egalitarian, less snobish.

Then you have State U's whose feces never stink like UNC, Michigan, Cal, etc., etc - all so assured they are better than everyone else because they were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a triple.

If you have been offended you are probably a poor reader as this is meant to be funny but also satirical. It's very difficult to change who and what you are. Your past shapes you. The past shapes the individual P-5's. If the P-5 you pull for has not won a national title in the last 40 years - you aint winnin' one in your lifetime.

You forgot our military brothers at VMI and the Citadel!

Where would you place Richmond, civic? Wasn't it founded Baptist?

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The old SoCon before the ACC split could be broken down:

Methodist - Duke

Baptist - Richmond, Wake, Furman

Colonial - Wash & Lee, W&M

Cow College - VaTech, NC State, Clemson

Civic - G. Wash

State U - WVU, Maryland, UVa*, UNC, USC

I'll add Military - VMI, The Citadel

Presbyterian - Davidson

* - former member

There is probably some crossover, like UR being Baptist/Civic etc.
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TCU and Baylor to the ACC
By the way, the original poster should’ve said TCU and Houston
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RE: TCU and Baylor to the ACC
(11-08-2022 02:41 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-08-2022 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(11-08-2022 11:24 AM)ken d Wrote:  Getting back to the OP and thread title: what possible reason would TCU and Baylor have that would make them interested in joining the ACC?

Well the OP suggests that if those two joined, that the ACC contract with ESPN would be re-opened and each ACC school could be making in the range of $75 Million per year after renegotiation.
So if that premise is remotely correct, I would say that their reason would be money.
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I think we can all agree that premise is not remotely correct.


Exactly .... it'd be more like $85 million.






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RE: TCU and Baylor to the ACC
(11-01-2022 04:30 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Very little is new, but lots of things have new names.

The social/cultural things you find deep in the origins of something have a tendency to carry forward. This is why old Methodist U's, Baptist U's, Catholic U's, Civic U's, Land Grant U's, Colonial U's, and State U's end up looking so similar decades and centuries later.

Methodists - Auburn/Syracuse/Emory/Duke/SMU/Vandy/NW - now Auburn went broke, then was broken by the Civil War, then had Bama on it's ass for a century - hence one of the reasons Auburn is a little different from it's Methodist kith and kin.

Catholics - Do I really know the difference between a Jesuit, a Priest, a Pope, and a Nun, - does it matter? I do know that ND, BC, Georgetown, St. Johns, and Villanova are Catholic. They seem to keep Universities smaller and more structured than your Animal House analogues.

Baptists - WF and Furman dropped the Southern Baptist Convention. Argument and controversy follow the Baptist Church because their governing structure is non-hierarchical encouraging splitting off. Baylor has been a poster child for controversy this last decade or so.

The Colonial Snobs took their ball and went home.

The Cow Colleges cluster next to each other like so many of the football fields look out over an old or a continuing cow pasture - Penn State, VT, NC State - others step forward and accept your cow bell.

The Civic crowd are your city colleges - Pitt, Miami, Cincy, etc., etc. Egalitarian, less snobish.

Then you have State U's whose feces never stink like UNC, Michigan, Cal, etc., etc - all so assured they are better than everyone else because they were born on 3rd base and thought they hit a triple.

If you have been offended you are probably a poor reader as this is meant to be funny but also satirical. It's very difficult to change who and what you are. Your past shapes you. The past shapes the individual P-5's. If the P-5 you pull for has not won a national title in the last 40 years - you aint winnin' one in your lifetime.

Auburn is one of the cow colleges. It may have started out Methodist, like you say, but after the War Between the States, Auburn became one of the cow colleges, IMO. No different than Clemson, Mississippi State, Oregon State, Virginia Tech, IMO.

IMO, Furman & Wake Forest belong to the Civic colleges now, as they haven't been Baptist in a very long time. Baylor can't decide what it wants to be. Samford, Liberty, and Campbell are Baptist colleges in the true sense of the word, IMO. Liberty, like Baylor, had controversy also, but resolved it, not unlike Samford had years ago, when they had to move from Marion, AL, to Birmingham.

VMI and the Citadel are in a special group of universities, and have more in common with Navy, Army, and Air Force than really any other group, IMHO. Texas A&M and Virginia Tech are a hybrid of this group & the cow colleges. Alabama used to be in this group also until the conclusion of the War Between the States. This is why 'Bama and Texas A&M get along so well, IMO.

Georgia Tech fits in with the civics, although more snobby.

UGA, UVa, & UNC are yet another special kind of hybrid university. UGA is a combo of a Colonial/Revolutionary War, State U, and a cow college. UNC is a hybrid of a Colonial/Revolutionary War and a State U. The result is a snobby state U , but at UGA the snobbish is gone due to the cow college component.

Teacher colleges, which you failed to mention, are like Troy, Middle Tennessee, and Appalachian State, although ECU used to be a member of this group, but is now in the civic group.
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UGa, South Carolina and UNC were all founded in a similar time frame.
It is interesting to note that the founders in the newly formed States in the South were committed to providing higher education as a function of State Government as opposed to the founders in the Northeast.
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