Per (who else) Wilzano:



Messaging remains consistent: Kliavkoff WILL NOT be outdone by Yappy

Does George K hold on to the Four Corners 4 or do they join Yormark's "National Conference" ... ?

Does Amazon play the white knight and step up to keep the Pac-10 above water?

I expect it to be similar. Not enough to have teams pass from one conference to another. It should also be enough for the Pac to have their pick of G5 teams (there was talk previously that the MW exit fee would be prohibitive).

(10-30-2022 01:54 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Per (who else) Wilzano:



Messaging remains consistent: Kliavkoff WILL NOT be outdone by Yappy

Does George K hold on to the Four Corners 4 or do they join Yormark's "National Conference" ... ?

Does Amazon play the white knight and step up to keep the Pac-10 above water?

All I can say is that one of these two is about to have to eat some humble pie. I'm not sure if it's going to be Kliavkoff or Yormark but it's coming.

I think it will be 28 million for tiers 1-2 plus about 5 million for Tier 3 equaling 33 million or a little more than the Big 12.

Won't be surprised if, for strategic purposes, the Big XII's "pro rata" includes a per school increase if the Four Corners 4 come aboard.

For simplicity's sake, let's say the number per school is indeed $31.2M ... but if UA, ASU, CU and Utah join then it jumps to, say, $33.2M.

In addition to adding more inventory (some of it very good) for ESPN/FOX while expanding Yappy's footprint as he aims to go national, the financial boost also gives existing Big XII schools more rea$on to embrace expan$ion while further illustrating the B12 is moving onward and upward vis-à-vis a reeling Pac-12 and an internally fractured ACC.

Optics, optics, optics ...

Carzano is Bagdad Bob Light.

If i were the PAC my goal would be to get back to 14 and get a 3 way split of rights like the Big 10 has. That gives you 7 games a week to distribute

Deal #1 - Amazon Friday and Saturday GOTW
Give Amazon a prime time Friday night and Saturday night football game

Deal #2 - ESPN Late Night slots - 2 1030 slots a week that can be played Thursday, Friday, or Saturday at 1030

Deal #3 - Apple Football Saturday - At least 3 games a week in the traditional Saturday afternoon time slots

Alternate the PAC 12 championship between the 2 or 3 of the packages

For your basketball and non football content, sell ESPN and CBS a package of basketball games and give Apple the rest, folding the PAC 12 Network into AppleTV+

As for who gets them to 14, you're pool of candidates is from the MWC and AAC plus Gonzaga

TOP 4 MWC
San Diego St
Boise St
UNLV
Hawaii or Hawaii Fball Only/Gonzaga all others

TOP 4 AAC
SMU
Tulane
Rice
Memphis

Money is one thing. But is the Amazon/Apple streaming as desirable as ESPN/Fox?

(10-30-2022 01:56 PM)Crayton Wrote:  I expect it to be similar. Not enough to have teams pass from one conference to another. It should also be enough for the Pac to have their pick of G5 teams (there was talk previously that the MW exit fee would be prohibitive).

Nobody argued that the current PAC would be unable to attract MWC teams. The talk about the MWC exit fee was in the conversations about whether Oregon State and WSU would be able to keep alive a 2 team PAC or if they'd have to join the MWC themselves.

Anyway, I doubt the current PAC would invite MWC teams because there's no MWC team that would add value to the conference.

(10-30-2022 01:56 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 01:54 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Per (who else) Wilzano:



Messaging remains consistent: Kliavkoff WILL NOT be outdone by Yappy

Does George K hold on to the Four Corners 4 or do they join Yormark's "National Conference" ... ?

Does Amazon play the white knight and step up to keep the Pac-10 above water?

All I can say is that one of these two is about to have to eat some humble pie. I'm not sure if it's going to be Kliavkoff or Yormark but it's coming.

I don't think either of them eats any pie unless the B1G takes more schools from the Pac. There's enough in the Pac as constituted to have a deal that's competitive with the big 12's deal. If the Pac ends up with a "similar to the big 12" type of deal then they'll be the biggest winners for now, but I'd say that the big 12 already won as well b/c they've secured their long-term future. And even if the Pac survives unscathed today, 2030 and 2031 are just around the corner...

(10-30-2022 02:34 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Money is one thing. But is the Amazon/Apple streaming as desirable as ESPN/Fox?

Certainly it's less desirable today, as evidenced by the B1G taking less money to use an OTA partner. However, by the end of the next Pac deal in 2030 or 2035 I think that streaming deals will be viewed as more "forward thinking" than "risky but necessary".

If the Pac gets 3 serious bidders involved then they are going to come out smelling like Roses.

Each year I feel this has less to do with PAC and more tomdonwith 1) people out West don't care about football, 2) people out East are all footballed out by the 1030pm. 80/20 in terms of population from EST/CST compared to MTN/PAC seems to bear this out too. I think the PAC needs to go back to 330pm afternoon games though they'll meet some tough competition at that time too.

Canzoni and more quotes form unnamed sources. Every time he writes something.

That guy is a PAC Hack PR Directorate..

I don't see how Fox is not in play for the Pac 12.

In recently completed contracts, Fox has:

26 Big 12 football games per year, down from a contract maximum of 40 (actually 27 last year)
24-32 Big 10 football games, up from 24-27 (actually 28 last year including the title game)
Up to 23 MWC football games (actually 17 last year)

Given that ESPN has 8 of the Top 12 picks in football in the extended contract, Fox seems to be de-emphasizing Big 12 football (but took a slate of Big 12 basketball games for the first time).

I don't see where Fox is out of football windows for the Pac 12. Particularly if they stand pat at 10 teams and inventory drops from ~85 games to ~70. The Pac 12 currently has a minimum of 8 on FOX (10 last year) and maximum of 14 on FS1 (12 last year), and those might change.

Now, Fox may be out of money to pay the Pac 12, but Fox should have enough football windows for them.

These two PAC goons are relentless lol

(10-30-2022 04:08 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I don't see how Fox is not in play for the Pac 12.

Maybe FOX (and CBS and NBC) are privy to the B1G's plans for further expansion, so "why bother?"

(10-30-2022 04:22 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 04:08 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  I don't see how Fox is not in play for the Pac 12.

Maybe FOX (and CBS and NBC) are privy to the B1G's plans for further expansion, so "why bother?"

Excellent point. As partner with the conference in the Big10 network and the party that reportedly handled the bidding process, it's very logical to assume they know what the Big 10s long term goals are

The PAC is saying why everyone wants to hear. It’s like if a company is downsizing but continues to tell all the employees not to worry.

(10-30-2022 02:36 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 01:56 PM)Crayton Wrote:  I expect it to be similar. Not enough to have teams pass from one conference to another. It should also be enough for the Pac to have their pick of G5 teams (there was talk previously that the MW exit fee would be prohibitive).

Nobody argued that the current PAC would be unable to attract MWC teams. The talk about the MWC exit fee was in the conversations about whether Oregon State and WSU would be able to keep alive a 2 team PAC or if they'd have to join the MWC themselves.

Anyway, I doubt the current PAC would invite MWC teams because there's no MWC team that would add value to the conference.

I agree. IMHO even SDSU has less than a 50/50 chance of getting an invitation. SDSU probably doesn’t deliver enough of the SoCal market to make its addition accretive to a Pac TV deal. There will probably also be sentiment to stay at ten members to allow for true round-robins in both football and hoops.

This is your chance to slowly chip away at the MWC and possibly the AAC west... I'd go SDSU and SMU with a view on Rice, BSU, CSU, AFA later on for future backfilling.