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RE: Kari Lake puts a smackdown on Liz Cheney
(11-15-2022 10:58 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  WHY is it that whenever it takes a jurisdiction days and days to count their ballots that the democrat always wins? Doesn't that send up some red flags in your mind? Or does your independent streak only break one way - blue?

That's the system working perfectly as designed.

Republicans have to win by more than 5% or they put their fate in the hands of the Counting Gods.............

Ridiculous. And completely ignorant of how county clerks handle elections.

Not to mention that Boebert has seemingly pulled ahead with late votes in Colorado.

You can likely find out how votes are actually processed and counted if you wanted to, and actually learn something. Or you could just scream at the sky because your candidate lost.
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RE: Kari Lake puts a smackdown on Liz Cheney
(11-15-2022 10:58 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(11-15-2022 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Tom, there are plenty of anomalies in Maricopa county. IF the election system is not compromised, she has plenty of ammo to contest that race.

The people running the election there made it known they were against her so anything that doesn't smell right should be investigated. Funny how machine malfunctions only seemed to happen in GOP heavy areas and on election day. Kari had told her voters to show up ON election day. There were a batch of ballots that had been uncounted that were put in with those that HAD been counted. Without a recount, we will never know who those votes were for.

There needs to be an audit and a hand recount.

You, being independent and all, should have no problem with fairness.

WHY is it that whenever it takes a jurisdiction days and days to count their ballots that the democrat always wins? Doesn't that send up some red flags in your mind? Or does your independent streak only break one way - blue?

Not an independent, fartknocker.

And I have not one concern if Lake or the GOP in Arizona wants any type of investigation or recount or audit. As long as it's not a clown shown with an unqualified outfit like last time.

Lastly, I'm pretty sure you have only read your chosen media about what "anomalies" occurred.

To wit, this didn't just happen in GOP areas. 03-zzz

Quote:About 1 in 5 polling locations in Maricopa County, Ariz., were experiencing a technical problem with their ballot tabulator machines in the first hours of Election Day — but officials assured voters their ballots would still be counted, thanks to redundancy protocols.

"We've got about 20% of the locations out there where there's an issue with the tabulator," Maricopa Board of Supervisors Chair Bill Gates, a Republican, said in a video posted online. Describing the problem, he said that after some voters filled out their ballot, the machine wouldn't accept it.

In the meantime, voters could slide their ballot into a "secure box" just below the tabulator, Gates said. Those ballots would be collected and sent to Maricopa's "central tabulators," County Recorder Stephen Richer said.

"This is actually what the majority of Arizona counties do on Election Day all the time," Richer added.

Around mid-afternoon local time, the county said that it had "identified the solution for the tabulation issues at about 60 Vote Centers. County technicians have changed the printer settings, which seems to have resolved this issue. It appears some of the printers were not producing dark enough timing marks on the ballots."
https://www.npr.org/2022/11/08/113517931...ine-issues

Nothing in your article disagrees with Lakes narrative. You link says nothing about where the 20% of the machines were located. Similar happened in Harris County where the paper ballots delivered were insufficient—-but oddly the insufficient deliveries only affected Red areas. In Texas this has now triggered a state investigation, but I’m pretty sure Hobbs won’t be looking into investigating her own victory—-yet another reason she should have recused herself when asked.

I saw a thread about the Harris County situation and don't know all the details, but it does look bad. There absolutely should be an investigation and if officials purposely or negligently failed to adequately prepare for a smooth election in red precincts only, then someone needs to be sent to the hoosegow. If they simply failed without targeting a specific partisan flavor, then I think fines and firings are sufficient.

And I agree with you 100% that Governor-elect Hobbs should have recused herself from overseeing her own election. Two wrongs don't make a right, but Governor Brian Kemp should have done the same in 2018 when he defeated Stacey Abrams the first time. At least these two Secretaries of State, and maybe more, have now set a bad precedent in each party by refusing to recuse themselves from presiding over their own race for governor. I'm for legislation that would remove these decisions from the Secretary in the future, and spell out exactly who takes control over all administrative decisions regarding the race being run by the sitting Secretary in such cases.
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RE: Kari Lake puts a smackdown on Liz Cheney
(11-15-2022 11:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:58 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  WHY is it that whenever it takes a jurisdiction days and days to count their ballots that the democrat always wins? Doesn't that send up some red flags in your mind? Or does your independent streak only break one way - blue?

That's the system working perfectly as designed.

Republicans have to win by more than 5% or they put their fate in the hands of the Counting Gods.............

Ridiculous. And completely ignorant of how county clerks handle elections.

Not to mention that Boebert has seemingly pulled ahead with late votes in Colorado.

You can likely find out how votes are actually processed and counted if you wanted to, and actually learn something. Or you could just scream at the sky because your candidate lost.

I worked 4 election cycles at our county BOE, so I'm going to guess I know as much as you do about the process. It's sloppy, chaotic, and there's lots of opportunities for mistakes and that's before any potential "malice" comes into play. Since our county only has 200k citizens I can imagine well just how much worse all those factors are in big cities.

Most of these workers are volunteers and temps. The professional core of most BOE's are less than 20 to 30 people.

Now add-in unfettered mail-in ballots.........
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The problem with election deniers is that they have taken the focus away from a real and substantive issue, namely the lack of effective controls over voting fraud in our election processes. Now anytime anyone addresses the need for greater and more effective controls, he/she is easily shouted down as an election denier.

There is a real problem here, and it needs very badly to be addressed. I do not know whether the 2020 election was "stolen," and neither do you, nor does anyone else, because our election integrity controls are so shoddy that there is no way to know. Same for 2022, although at least there were not so many squirrelly things going on as happened in 2020.

There has to be some step in the voting process, by whatever method used, where the identity of the person attempting to vote is verified against a photo or fingerprints or some source that is not capable of being faked. We have the technology to do it, and other countries do it, so it can be done. It's just a matter of doing it.
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(11-15-2022 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:51 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
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(11-15-2022 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Tom, there are plenty of anomalies in Maricopa county. IF the election system is not compromised, she has plenty of ammo to contest that race.

The people running the election there made it known they were against her so anything that doesn't smell right should be investigated. Funny how machine malfunctions only seemed to happen in GOP heavy areas and on election day. Kari had told her voters to show up ON election day. There were a batch of ballots that had been uncounted that were put in with those that HAD been counted. Without a recount, we will never know who those votes were for.

There needs to be an audit and a hand recount.

You, being independent and all, should have no problem with fairness.

WHY is it that whenever it takes a jurisdiction days and days to count their ballots that the democrat always wins? Doesn't that send up some red flags in your mind? Or does your independent streak only break one way - blue?

I'd prefer hard evidence as opposed to 'isnt it strange' type stuff. If you (or anyone else) can put some meat on the supposition I would be more than happy to consider. Supposition on its own lost it's golden glitter for me back in the 80's and early 90's.

I stopped reading Erich Von Daniken stuff 45 years ago.

Sure, we all want hard evidence. Still doesnt change that it is awfully suspicious that every weird situation ends up favoring the same party. I think any normal functioning person can admit that.

I think hard evidence, or something beyond 'sure seems odd', is a requirement for me. I would hope that would generally be the case.

So, I can't have an opinion, now? It was an observation, Einstein.

Simple question for you that I wish you would answer. Do you find it strange that these long, drawn out contests almost always result in a dem victory? Notice I even qualified it by saying almost. I can't remember one that went to the dem's opponent but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

I wasn't there and neither were you. Of course there needs to be evidence. How do you get evidence? An investigation. One which will be blocked by the powers that be running the **** show in Arizona. Kari should at least get a recount. I'm assuming that state law would require that, given the margin.
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(11-15-2022 07:05 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Actually, things might work out best this way. Te next two years are basically going to be clusterflocks. That's pretty well wired in already.

With narrow control of the HOR, republicans should be able to push back against the worst excesses of the left. At the same time, the USA tendency to over-blame the president for everything could have the democrats in a very untenable position by 2024. And with the vast majority of senate seats standing for re-election (the residue from 2018), republicans could be set up to take a commanding position--white house plus supermajorities in senate and HOR.

Could be. If they don't screw it up. If.
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(11-15-2022 11:17 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:54 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:51 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:47 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-15-2022 10:40 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Tom, there are plenty of anomalies in Maricopa county. IF the election system is not compromised, she has plenty of ammo to contest that race.

The people running the election there made it known they were against her so anything that doesn't smell right should be investigated. Funny how machine malfunctions only seemed to happen in GOP heavy areas and on election day. Kari had told her voters to show up ON election day. There were a batch of ballots that had been uncounted that were put in with those that HAD been counted. Without a recount, we will never know who those votes were for.

There needs to be an audit and a hand recount.

You, being independent and all, should have no problem with fairness.

WHY is it that whenever it takes a jurisdiction days and days to count their ballots that the democrat always wins? Doesn't that send up some red flags in your mind? Or does your independent streak only break one way - blue?

I'd prefer hard evidence as opposed to 'isnt it strange' type stuff. If you (or anyone else) can put some meat on the supposition I would be more than happy to consider. Supposition on its own lost it's golden glitter for me back in the 80's and early 90's.

I stopped reading Erich Von Daniken stuff 45 years ago.

Sure, we all want hard evidence. Still doesnt change that it is awfully suspicious that every weird situation ends up favoring the same party. I think any normal functioning person can admit that.

I think hard evidence, or something beyond 'sure seems odd', is a requirement for me. I would hope that would generally be the case.

So, I can't have an opinion, now? It was an observation, Einstein.

I dont think I said or implied anywhere where "[you] can't have an opinion", as you complain about above.

*My* opinion is I'd prefer hard evidence as opposed to 'isnt it strange' type stuff. Einstein.

Quote:Simple question for you that I wish you would answer. Do you find it strange that these long, drawn out contests almost always result in a dem victory? Notice I even qualified it by saying almost. I can't remember one that went to the dem's opponent but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

Given the Democrats have drilled it into their base to start the balloting as early as possible, and seemingly have learned to get early vote out, coupled with many legislatures refusal to start counts on early balloting -- no. That leads to 'long drawn out contests'.

Not even getting into some states having 'received by' voting rules. Adding even more to the timeframe.

If/when you have Republicans shaking the early tree and mail in tree as much as the Democrats, there might be an issue. In the AZ case, Kari told her folks to ignore both those avenues as much as possible.

Quote:I wasn't there and neither were you. Of course there needs to be evidence. How do you get evidence? An investigation.

Whistleblowers -- I would think that Rs in the jurisdictions probably plastered the counting/ receiving offices with employees and volunteers. Considering the hue and cry from '20, it would be idiotic and gross negligence for them not to.

And, bluntly, I havent heard a peep aside from the faulty machines in AZ that gives me cause to go any further. Nor in NV.

If you have some solid stuff, Im all ears. Seriously.
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Liz Cheney shot her in the face. It's a family tradition.
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