When the West was starting sanctions on Russia, it was supposedly spiking their unemployment rate. That’s the claim here:

https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/11/how-...-in-russia

Now, Western news says the mobilization is killing their economy, because they had such a low unemployment rate that reviving people from the workforce is “crippling.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/market...reappshare

Let me guess, somehow both are true

They are having a lot of "brain drain". Russia had some significant software engineers and such that have been leaving since before the war. It has sped up since the war began.

(10-21-2022 10:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  They are having a lot of "brain drain". Russia had some significant software engineers and such that have been leaving since before the war. It has sped up since the war began.

That’s not what either of these article were saying.

(10-21-2022 11:29 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 10:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  They are having a lot of "brain drain". Russia had some significant software engineers and such that have been leaving since before the war. It has sped up since the war began.

That’s not what either of these article were saying.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/10/russ...th-ukraine

https://fortune.com/2022/08/20/russia-br...war-putin/

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-brain-dr...in-1747416

Shall I continue comrade?

I think both were true at different times.

At first, the war caused the economy to crash and raised unemployment. People who worked for Western countries were laid off as the Western companies pulled/were forced out.

But that stabilized after a few months. Russia appears to have done a good job of keeping its economy humming.


Now, if it was a small mobilization, it wouldn't be hurting the economy. But the sheer number of healthy young men leaving the Russian workforce is staggering.

200,000 left in the first few weeks of the war (link)
65,000 killed in Ukraine (estimate)
150,000 wounded in Ukraine (wounded is usually 3 times the deaths)
300,000 callup of reserves
700,000 fled conscription in September/October (link)


The World Bank says that the Russian workforce is about 71 million people. So that means about 2.0% of the healthiest people in the workforce have left.

Also, my pure guess is that the Russian defense and munitions industries are probably booming right now. They need every trained body they can get. But the mobilization seemed random and probably pulled a lot of trained workers out of the workforce.

(10-21-2022 11:35 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 11:29 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 10:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  They are having a lot of "brain drain". Russia had some significant software engineers and such that have been leaving since before the war. It has sped up since the war began.

That’s not what either of these article were saying.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/10/russ...th-ukraine

https://fortune.com/2022/08/20/russia-br...war-putin/

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-brain-dr...in-1747416

Shall I continue comrade?

You can continue until your fingers bleed, but nothing you posted addresses the fact that Western media continually posts exact opposite facts and analysis on Russia, always in an “authoritative” manner

Another classic contradiction in the news.

Iran always seems to be increasing their military spending according the media. Of course, so is virtually everyone else except NATO countries who decrease theirs and rely on us.

What they rarely mention is how low Irans military spending is actually estimated to be. But a UK think tank estimated that Western estimates are inflating it by up to a factor of 5 because during sanctions, exchange ranges are all over the place and they estimate high, as if Iran is importing all of its hardware, when the opposite is true and it is virtually all homegrown.

Time after time the western media has called Iranian drones simply photoshopped fakes.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/irans-dron...xperts-say
https://www.theatlantic.com/internationa...ed/321070/

Apparently they were real after all. Another western media propaganda fail.

The Western press sure is full of contradictions about Russia. And everything else they write about. Not differences of opinion or different phrasing mind you, exact opposites.

(10-21-2022 11:35 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 11:29 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 10:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  They are having a lot of "brain drain". Russia had some significant software engineers and such that have been leaving since before the war. It has sped up since the war began.

That’s not what either of these article were saying.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/10/russ...th-ukraine

https://fortune.com/2022/08/20/russia-br...war-putin/

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-brain-dr...in-1747416

Shall I continue comrade?

You can continue until your fingers bleed, but nothing you posted addresses the fact that Western media continually posts exact opposite facts and analysis on Russia, always in an “authoritative” manner

(10-21-2022 10:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  They are having a lot of "brain drain". Russia had some significant software engineers and such that have been leaving since before the war. It has sped up since the war began.

That’s not what either of these article were saying.

(10-21-2022 11:57 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 11:35 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 11:29 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 10:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  They are having a lot of "brain drain". Russia had some significant software engineers and such that have been leaving since before the war. It has sped up since the war began.

That’s not what either of these article were saying.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/10/russ...th-ukraine

https://fortune.com/2022/08/20/russia-br...war-putin/

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-brain-dr...in-1747416

Shall I continue comrade?

You can continue until your fingers bleed, but nothing you posted addresses the fact that Western media continually posts exact opposite facts and analysis on Russia, always in an “authoritative” manner

Seriously? While you constantly honk on supporting a nation who's press is still sticking with the narrative that "the Russians are saving Ukrainians from evil Nazi's" long after its become painfully clear Ukrainian citizens are NOT welcoming Putin's destructive and thus far failed vanity war. Just look at the idiocy that Putin's "Iron Doll" spews daily on her show---things like they should just nuke England into the stone age---said with a straight face with no acknowledgement that the UK would respond with a devastating return volley of nukes that Russia would be powerless to stop. I think its instructive that you dont see the western media constantly making such stupid and idiotic rantings---yet that kind of idiocy is common on Russian Nazi TV.

(10-21-2022 11:41 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I think both were true at different times.

At first, the war caused the economy to crash and raised unemployment. People who worked for Western countries were laid off as the Western companies pulled/were forced out.

But that stabilized after a few months. Russia appears to have done a good job of keeping its economy humming.


Now, if it was a small mobilization, it wouldn't be hurting the economy. But the sheer number of healthy young men leaving the Russian workforce is staggering.

200,000 left in the first few weeks of the war (link)
65,000 killed in Ukraine (estimate)
150,000 wounded in Ukraine (wounded is usually 3 times the deaths)
300,000 callup of reserves
700,000 fled conscription in September/October (link)


The World Bank says that the Russian workforce is about 71 million people. So that means about 2.0% of the healthiest people in the workforce have left.

Also, my pure guess is that the Russian defense and munitions industries are probably booming right now. They need every trained body they can get. But the mobilization seemed random and probably pulled a lot of trained workers out of the workforce.

I’m sure it is too. But the Western media is saying the exact opposite. Surprise, surprise.

https://en.defenceua.com/analysis/sancti...-2895.html

Ukraine and Western media claim Russia can not longer manufacture or repair tanks and many types of ammunition, so I’m not sure what those employed people would be working on.

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2022/0...sanctions/

It’s doubtful that both opposites being claimed by our media are correct.

(10-21-2022 12:09 PM)Todor Wrote:  Another classic contradiction in the news.

Iran always seems to be increasing their military spending according the media. Of course, so is virtually everyone else except NATO countries who decrease theirs and rely on us.

What they rarely mention is how low Irans military spending is actually estimated to be. But a UK think tank estimated that Western estimates are inflating it by up to a factor of 5 because during sanctions, exchange ranges are all over the place and they estimate high, as if Iran is importing all of its hardware, when the opposite is true and it is virtually all homegrown.

Time after time the western media has called Iranian drones simply photoshopped fakes.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/irans-dron...xperts-say
https://www.theatlantic.com/internationa...ed/321070/

Apparently they were real after all. Another western media propaganda fail.

The Western press sure is full of contradictions about Russia. And everything else they write about. Not differences of opinion or different phrasing mind you, exact opposites.

It's really difficult to measure Iran's military spending. So much of their military is Revolutionary Guard, but the Revolutionary Guard also runs a lot of for-profit industries. For example, it is the dominant player in infrastructure projects in Iran.

Also, Western military spending is inflated because we pay our soldiers a heckuva lot more than other countries (other than the Saudis - army officers in Saudi make more than oil engineers). So it's entirely possible for a poor country like Russia or Turkey or Pakistan to simultaneously spend a lot less than a large NATO power like Italy or Spain and also have a larger, better-trained military.

(10-21-2022 03:10 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 11:41 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I think both were true at different times.

At first, the war caused the economy to crash and raised unemployment. People who worked for Western countries were laid off as the Western companies pulled/were forced out.

But that stabilized after a few months. Russia appears to have done a good job of keeping its economy humming.


Now, if it was a small mobilization, it wouldn't be hurting the economy. But the sheer number of healthy young men leaving the Russian workforce is staggering.

200,000 left in the first few weeks of the war (link)
65,000 killed in Ukraine (estimate)
150,000 wounded in Ukraine (wounded is usually 3 times the deaths)
300,000 callup of reserves
700,000 fled conscription in September/October (link)


The World Bank says that the Russian workforce is about 71 million people. So that means about 2.0% of the healthiest people in the workforce have left.

Also, my pure guess is that the Russian defense and munitions industries are probably booming right now. They need every trained body they can get. But the mobilization seemed random and probably pulled a lot of trained workers out of the workforce.

I’m sure it is too. But the Western media is saying the exact opposite. Surprise, surprise.

https://en.defenceua.com/analysis/sancti...-2895.html

Ukraine and Western media claim Russia can not longer manufacture or repair tanks and many types of ammunition, so I’m not sure what those employed people would be working on.

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2022/0...sanctions/

It’s doubtful that both opposites being claimed by our media are correct.

There's an easy answer to that:

They're probably hiring people like mad to try to figure out how to duplicate the parts they can't import.

The duplications will be available in lower quantity, slowing down production (at least for awhile).

They'll be lower quality (because of the urgency of finding a solution).

Also they'll involve a lot more Russians than before. All they used to need was an import/expert manager and an engineering supervisor. Now they need to add engineers to design the parts & production workers to build them - work that used to be outsourced to other countries.

(10-21-2022 04:20 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 03:10 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 11:41 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I think both were true at different times.

At first, the war caused the economy to crash and raised unemployment. People who worked for Western countries were laid off as the Western companies pulled/were forced out.

But that stabilized after a few months. Russia appears to have done a good job of keeping its economy humming.


Now, if it was a small mobilization, it wouldn't be hurting the economy. But the sheer number of healthy young men leaving the Russian workforce is staggering.

200,000 left in the first few weeks of the war (link)
65,000 killed in Ukraine (estimate)
150,000 wounded in Ukraine (wounded is usually 3 times the deaths)
300,000 callup of reserves
700,000 fled conscription in September/October (link)


The World Bank says that the Russian workforce is about 71 million people. So that means about 2.0% of the healthiest people in the workforce have left.

Also, my pure guess is that the Russian defense and munitions industries are probably booming right now. They need every trained body they can get. But the mobilization seemed random and probably pulled a lot of trained workers out of the workforce.

I’m sure it is too. But the Western media is saying the exact opposite. Surprise, surprise.

https://en.defenceua.com/analysis/sancti...-2895.html

Ukraine and Western media claim Russia can not longer manufacture or repair tanks and many types of ammunition, so I’m not sure what those employed people would be working on.

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2022/0...sanctions/

It’s doubtful that both opposites being claimed by our media are correct.

There's an easy answer to that:

They're probably hiring people like mad to try to figure out how to duplicate the parts they can't import.

The duplications will be available in lower quantity, slowing down production (at least for awhile).

They'll be lower quality (because of the urgency of finding a solution).

Also they'll involve a lot more Russians than before. All they used to need was an import/expert manager and an engineering supervisor. Now they need to add engineers to design the parts & production workers to build them - work that used to be outsourced to other countries.

Other than CSTO nations, which would be a moot point anyway, virtually no military equipment is outsourced. Your entire premise is false.

(10-21-2022 10:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  They are having a lot of "brain drain". Russia had some significant software engineers and such that have been leaving since before the war. It has sped up since the war began.

I didn't know that Canada was next to Russia. Are they burning their draft cards too?

(10-21-2022 05:58 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 04:20 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 03:10 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 11:41 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I think both were true at different times.

At first, the war caused the economy to crash and raised unemployment. People who worked for Western countries were laid off as the Western companies pulled/were forced out.

But that stabilized after a few months. Russia appears to have done a good job of keeping its economy humming.


Now, if it was a small mobilization, it wouldn't be hurting the economy. But the sheer number of healthy young men leaving the Russian workforce is staggering.

200,000 left in the first few weeks of the war (link)
65,000 killed in Ukraine (estimate)
150,000 wounded in Ukraine (wounded is usually 3 times the deaths)
300,000 callup of reserves
700,000 fled conscription in September/October (link)


The World Bank says that the Russian workforce is about 71 million people. So that means about 2.0% of the healthiest people in the workforce have left.

Also, my pure guess is that the Russian defense and munitions industries are probably booming right now. They need every trained body they can get. But the mobilization seemed random and probably pulled a lot of trained workers out of the workforce.

I’m sure it is too. But the Western media is saying the exact opposite. Surprise, surprise.

https://en.defenceua.com/analysis/sancti...-2895.html

Ukraine and Western media claim Russia can not longer manufacture or repair tanks and many types of ammunition, so I’m not sure what those employed people would be working on.

https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2022/0...sanctions/

It’s doubtful that both opposites being claimed by our media are correct.

There's an easy answer to that:

They're probably hiring people like mad to try to figure out how to duplicate the parts they can't import.

The duplications will be available in lower quantity, slowing down production (at least for awhile).

They'll be lower quality (because of the urgency of finding a solution).

Also they'll involve a lot more Russians than before. All they used to need was an import/expert manager and an engineering supervisor. Now they need to add engineers to design the parts & production workers to build them - work that used to be outsourced to other countries.

Other than CSTO nations, which would be a moot point anyway, virtually no military equipment is outsourced. Your entire premise is false.

Incorrect. Russia assembles virtually all their own weapons inside Russia---but they dont necessarily manufacture all the parts. In order to have full control over the entire manufacturing chain for all their weapons they would need to actually manufacture all the parts (including the semi-conductor chips).

If they don’t make the chips, than they can’t outsource their production. He said outsource. Two different beasts. Sorry.

Get a dictionary and learn what outsourcing is people. Preferably before you speak, not after.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourcing

(10-21-2022 06:09 PM)Todor Wrote:  If they don’t make the chips, than they can’t outsource their production. He said outsource. Two different beasts. Sorry.

Get a dictionary and learn what outsourcing is people. Preferably before you speak, not after.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourcing

He originally says "import".

"They're probably hiring people like mad to try to figure out how to duplicate the parts they can't import."



His primary point is that employment might rise if they have to manufacture parts they used to simply import. The definition of "outsource" is really irrelevant to his primary point.

(10-21-2022 11:29 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 10:09 AM)mlb Wrote:  They are having a lot of "brain drain". Russia had some significant software engineers and such that have been leaving since before the war. It has sped up since the war began.

That’s not what either of these article were saying.

So, Todor all you are is all talk. Why aren't you going to join your Russian brothers in Battle for that sacred frozen Tundra known as the Dumbazz region.

Under other contradictions—this one is a classic, “ Putin is alternately characterized in the American/Western press as a wily strategist, combining the tactics of 3-D chess and judo, poised to outwit and outmuscle the US through strategy and brute strength, while others are positing that Putin is emotional, impulsive, moody, and deeply isolated.” Of course, most of this “analysis” is from people who have never even met the man, let alone been to Russia or speak Russian.

Always an extreme take. But they just can’t make up their minds as to which extreme. Of course, with anything Russia related, somewhere in the middle isn’t an option as it doesn’t sell papers as well.

Here’s a classic from a pretty reputable source. It’s a well written article from a clear thinker, but he does have to address the extremes that are out there. https://thehill.com/opinion/internationa...ic-genius/

But it’s not always the medias fault entirely. US statecraft is 3rd world level and instead of professionals, many positions are simply political appointees who knew the right person and were in the right party. Military intelligence is much better, but the State Department clowns and think tank industry are a total embarrassment to the country. Completely unprofessional.

And because of that, the media can only print what they are fed from their sources.