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(10-19-2022 06:22 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 10:20 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  - I was impressed with our numbers in Northern KY. Obviously UK is #1 but the number of UC followers was much better than it traditionally has been over there.

- Disappointed but not shocked by the Butler and Warren County numbers. Anecdotally when I am in West Chester, Liberty Twp, Fairfield, Middletown and Mason I see a lot of people wearing OSU merchandise and/or OSU decals on their vehicles. I think those counties have a number of transplants living in the more affluent communities, not to mention a lot of kids up that way do go to Miami U. so that explains the OSU fandom.

- I added the Montgomery County figure because I wanted to point out that it is stronger than anticipated as well. Dayton is very much Ohio State and UD territory, I was impressed with having nearly a 10% figure. If we keep on the current trajectory I anticipate more growth of a fanbase in the market.

Did you notice that UC has a higher percentage than Dayton in both Montgomery and Greene County?

I did. It’s interesting because they have gray fan support and sell out their arena. My theory on that us twitter engagement has to be stronger for FB that hoops (notice XU is not rated in Hamilton County and NKU is not rated in any of the Northern KY counties).

(10-19-2022 09:27 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  What's really striking to me is that people in NYC don't follow CFB at all. Queens County, NY is the 11th biggest county in the country and only has 2,192 people who follow any team's twitter.

A much smaller county like St. Louis City (with no home team) has over 12,000 or Mecklenburg (Charlotte) has 26,000. Fulton County (Atlanta) has over 68,000.

Even Boston and DC and Philly and SF and Miami are way above NYC.

Born, raised, and lived in the greater NYC area for over 45years, excluding UC undergrad & the military, including 5 years right after marriage in Queens County. There are simply no college football teams in the area that anyone cares about. It’s a pro city! Even the people in NJ don’t really care about Rutgers - Big 10 took them to get their network into the area (remember that depending on how you count there are 16-20 million people) and there are the occasional Michigan grad or Wisconsin transfer. College hoops interest is bad enough but almost no one gives a rat’s rear end about college football except for the NY’s bowls/playoffs.

(10-19-2022 06:50 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 06:22 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 10:20 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  - I was impressed with our numbers in Northern KY. Obviously UK is #1 but the number of UC followers was much better than it traditionally has been over there.

- Disappointed but not shocked by the Butler and Warren County numbers. Anecdotally when I am in West Chester, Liberty Twp, Fairfield, Middletown and Mason I see a lot of people wearing OSU merchandise and/or OSU decals on their vehicles. I think those counties have a number of transplants living in the more affluent communities, not to mention a lot of kids up that way do go to Miami U. so that explains the OSU fandom.

- I added the Montgomery County figure because I wanted to point out that it is stronger than anticipated as well. Dayton is very much Ohio State and UD territory, I was impressed with having nearly a 10% figure. If we keep on the current trajectory I anticipate more growth of a fanbase in the market.

Did you notice that UC has a higher percentage than Dayton in both Montgomery and Greene County?

I did. It’s interesting because they have gray fan support and sell out their arena. My theory on that us twitter engagement has to be stronger for FB that hoops (notice XU is not rated in Hamilton County and NKU is not rated in any of the Northern KY counties).

Neither the UC/UD result or the XU/NKY lack of interest is surprising considering the map is measuring favorite college football teams, not just favorite college teams.

Did I get a dot on the map having a [hardly used] twitter account in the greater Greensboro, NC area?

(10-19-2022 07:35 PM)beethovan Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 09:27 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  What's really striking to me is that people in NYC don't follow CFB at all. Queens County, NY is the 11th biggest county in the country and only has 2,192 people who follow any team's twitter.

A much smaller county like St. Louis City (with no home team) has over 12,000 or Mecklenburg (Charlotte) has 26,000. Fulton County (Atlanta) has over 68,000.

Even Boston and DC and Philly and SF and Miami are way above NYC.

Born, raised, and lived in the greater NYC area for over 45years, excluding UC undergrad & the military, including 5 years right after marriage in Queens County. There are simply no college football teams in the area that anyone cares about. It’s a pro city! Even the people in NJ don’t really care about Rutgers - Big 10 took them to get their network into the area (remember that depending on how you count there are 16-20 million people) and there are the occasional Michigan grad or Wisconsin transfer. College hoops interest is bad enough but almost no one gives a rat’s rear end about college football except for the NY’s bowls/playoffs.

This is 100% spot on.

Marquee college basketball match-ups draw big crowds here but if you go to a random sports bar (especially outside of Manhattan) you'll seldom find people intently watching college sports.

I've been to a few St. John's Big East games at MSG that have had decent atmospheres and large crowds.

I've also seen St. John's play at Barclays with about 2k fans in the stands.

I saw UC play Pitt at MSG in 2013 (I think) for an OOC game and there were no more than 100 UC fans there and barely a few thousand in the crowd.

That UC-Florida game in Newark back in 2017/18 was scarcely attended as well, despite both teams being in the top 25 .

(10-20-2022 09:15 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 06:50 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 06:22 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 10:20 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  - I was impressed with our numbers in Northern KY. Obviously UK is #1 but the number of UC followers was much better than it traditionally has been over there.

- Disappointed but not shocked by the Butler and Warren County numbers. Anecdotally when I am in West Chester, Liberty Twp, Fairfield, Middletown and Mason I see a lot of people wearing OSU merchandise and/or OSU decals on their vehicles. I think those counties have a number of transplants living in the more affluent communities, not to mention a lot of kids up that way do go to Miami U. so that explains the OSU fandom.

- I added the Montgomery County figure because I wanted to point out that it is stronger than anticipated as well. Dayton is very much Ohio State and UD territory, I was impressed with having nearly a 10% figure. If we keep on the current trajectory I anticipate more growth of a fanbase in the market.

Did you notice that UC has a higher percentage than Dayton in both Montgomery and Greene County?

I did. It’s interesting because they have gray fan support and sell out their arena. My theory on that us twitter engagement has to be stronger for FB that hoops (notice XU is not rated in Hamilton County and NKU is not rated in any of the Northern KY counties).

Neither the UC/UD result or the XU/NKY lack of interest is surprising considering the map is measuring favorite college football teams, not just favorite college teams.

Dayton news covers Dayton football before they say anything about UC - if at all.

(10-19-2022 10:57 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I don't know how accurate these things are, but UC's goal should be to get to the point that they are no worse than 3rd in any county in Ohio. That will speak not only to our fanbase presence but also our alumni base and student recruitment base.

Interestingly, UC has pretty much already achieved that in greater Columbus, East to Adams & Putnam Counties, and 3/4 of the way up the I-75 corridor.


I think we need to work on our own suburbs.

There's 450,000 people in NKY, and there's no reason UC shouldn't be #1 there.

There's 800,000 people in Warren & Butler counties, equal to the size of Hamilton County. They're all Reds, Bengals, and FCC fans, while Columbus Crew or Blue Jackets fans are thin on the ground. Why not UC, too?

UC is #3 in the county where the football team has summer practices (Franklin County, IN). That's embarrassing.

(10-21-2022 12:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 10:57 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I don't know how accurate these things are, but UC's goal should be to get to the point that they are no worse than 3rd in any county in Ohio. That will speak not only to our fanbase presence but also our alumni base and student recruitment base.

Interestingly, UC has pretty much already achieved that in greater Columbus, East to Adams & Putnam Counties, and 3/4 of the way up the I-75 corridor.


I think we need to work on our own suburbs.

There's 450,000 people in NKY, and there's no reason UC shouldn't be #1 there.

There's 800,000 people in Warren & Butler counties, equal to the size of Hamilton County. They're all Reds, Bengals, and FCC fans, while Columbus Crew or Blue Jackets fans are thin on the ground. Why not UC, too?

UC is #3 in the county where the football team has summer practices (Franklin County, IN). That's embarrassing.

Northern KY and Warren/Butler counties all represent huge opportunities to grow the Bearcat brand. If I looked at the map correctly, the IN counties neighboring Louisville are labeled as U of L dominant.

The only downside of selling out Nippert is it limits the opportunity for new fans to experience Bearcat football firsthand. Folks around UC are pretty much convinced that the FC Cincinnati presence brought many suburbanites (including Butler/Warren residents) to the hilltop for the first time in a long time--maybe ever. For some, it was as shocking as those who haven't been to OTR in 30 years. Comments from the FCC crowd indicated they not only loved Nippert but the whole campus and surrounding neighborhoods. I don't know if enrollment data reflects a bump from those areas, but it wouldn't surprise me.

(10-21-2022 12:43 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 12:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 10:57 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I don't know how accurate these things are, but UC's goal should be to get to the point that they are no worse than 3rd in any county in Ohio. That will speak not only to our fanbase presence but also our alumni base and student recruitment base.

Interestingly, UC has pretty much already achieved that in greater Columbus, East to Adams & Putnam Counties, and 3/4 of the way up the I-75 corridor.


I think we need to work on our own suburbs.

There's 450,000 people in NKY, and there's no reason UC shouldn't be #1 there.

There's 800,000 people in Warren & Butler counties, equal to the size of Hamilton County. They're all Reds, Bengals, and FCC fans, while Columbus Crew or Blue Jackets fans are thin on the ground. Why not UC, too?

UC is #3 in the county where the football team has summer practices (Franklin County, IN). That's embarrassing.

Northern KY and Warren/Butler counties all represent huge opportunities to grow the Bearcat brand. If I looked at the map correctly, the IN counties neighboring Louisville are labeled as U of L dominant.

The only downside of selling out Nippert is it limits the opportunity for new fans to experience Bearcat football firsthand. Folks around UC are pretty much convinced that the FC Cincinnati presence brought many suburbanites (including Butler/Warren residents) to the hilltop for the first time in a long time--maybe ever. For some, it was as shocking as those who haven't been to OTR in 30 years. Comments from the FCC crowd indicated they not only loved Nippert but the whole campus and surrounding neighborhoods. I don't know if enrollment data reflects a bump from those areas, but it wouldn't surprise me.

My ex-wife was from Fairfield and I lived in West Chester for a few years after graduating from UC. My impression is there is a big cultural divide between UC and a lot of people living in Butler and Warren County. It's gotten better I think with the younger crowd, but there are some folks up there who still hold old stereotypes and perceptions about the university, the area and the students who go there. Not sure you are ever going to convert the "old-heads" but its going to take time to organically grow the support for UC up there.

You have something similar in NKY but a bit different as so-called "state pride" is a factor. There are people living in NKY who don't cross that bridge. I read some data recently that listed where most of the out-of-state students come from and was bit shocked to see we have more from Indiana than Kentucky. I would figure with the size and proximity of Northern KY that we would have more from the Commonwealth but that is not the case.

(10-21-2022 01:06 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  My ex-wife was from Fairfield and I lived in West Chester for a few years after graduating from UC. My impression is there is a big cultural divide between UC and a lot of people living in Butler and Warren County. It's gotten better I think with the younger crowd, but there are some folks up there who still hold old stereotypes and perceptions about the university, the area and the students who go there. Not sure you are ever going to convert the "old-heads" but its going to take time to organically grow the support for UC up there.

You have something similar in NKY but a bit different as so-called "state pride" is a factor. There are people living in NKY who don't cross that bridge. I read some data recently that listed where most of the out-of-state students come from and was bit shocked to see we have more from Indiana than Kentucky. I would figure with the size and proximity of Northern KY that we would have more from the Commonwealth but that is not the case.

Kentucky encourages their students to stay home with generous scholarship funds that are only good through in-state univerities (UK, Louisville. NKU, Western KY, etc.)

Kentucky Educational Excellence Scholarship (KEES)

I always thought Ohio should distribute education funds more through the students and less directly to the universities.

(10-21-2022 01:06 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 12:43 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 12:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 10:57 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I don't know how accurate these things are, but UC's goal should be to get to the point that they are no worse than 3rd in any county in Ohio. That will speak not only to our fanbase presence but also our alumni base and student recruitment base.

Interestingly, UC has pretty much already achieved that in greater Columbus, East to Adams & Putnam Counties, and 3/4 of the way up the I-75 corridor.


I think we need to work on our own suburbs.

There's 450,000 people in NKY, and there's no reason UC shouldn't be #1 there.

There's 800,000 people in Warren & Butler counties, equal to the size of Hamilton County. They're all Reds, Bengals, and FCC fans, while Columbus Crew or Blue Jackets fans are thin on the ground. Why not UC, too?

UC is #3 in the county where the football team has summer practices (Franklin County, IN). That's embarrassing.

Northern KY and Warren/Butler counties all represent huge opportunities to grow the Bearcat brand. If I looked at the map correctly, the IN counties neighboring Louisville are labeled as U of L dominant.

The only downside of selling out Nippert is it limits the opportunity for new fans to experience Bearcat football firsthand. Folks around UC are pretty much convinced that the FC Cincinnati presence brought many suburbanites (including Butler/Warren residents) to the hilltop for the first time in a long time--maybe ever. For some, it was as shocking as those who haven't been to OTR in 30 years. Comments from the FCC crowd indicated they not only loved Nippert but the whole campus and surrounding neighborhoods. I don't know if enrollment data reflects a bump from those areas, but it wouldn't surprise me.

My ex-wife was from Fairfield and I lived in West Chester for a few years after graduating from UC. My impression is there is a big cultural divide between UC and a lot of people living in Butler and Warren County. It's gotten better I think with the younger crowd, but there are some folks up there who still hold old stereotypes and perceptions about the university, the area and the students who go there. Not sure you are ever going to convert the "old-heads" but its going to take time to organically grow the support for UC up there.

You have something similar in NKY but a bit different as so-called "state pride" is a factor. There are people living in NKY who don't cross that bridge. I read some data recently that listed where most of the out-of-state students come from and was bit shocked to see we have more from Indiana than Kentucky. I would figure with the size and proximity of Northern KY that we would have more from the Commonwealth but that is not the case.

There's a reason some locals used to call Hamilton, OH, "Hamil-tucky" because of a large transplant population from eastern Kentucky for what were once abundant manufacturing jobs there. Those were Big Blue Wildcat fans and there are still quite a few there. Mix in Miami U.-Hamilton and reasonable proximity to Oxford, and that school's winning ways for decades, and there was little interest in UC basketball or football in a bordering county.

I agree though, that's all changing generationally now that UC is playing on a big stage.

(10-21-2022 02:55 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 01:06 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 12:43 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(10-21-2022 12:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 10:57 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I don't know how accurate these things are, but UC's goal should be to get to the point that they are no worse than 3rd in any county in Ohio. That will speak not only to our fanbase presence but also our alumni base and student recruitment base.

Interestingly, UC has pretty much already achieved that in greater Columbus, East to Adams & Putnam Counties, and 3/4 of the way up the I-75 corridor.


I think we need to work on our own suburbs.

There's 450,000 people in NKY, and there's no reason UC shouldn't be #1 there.

There's 800,000 people in Warren & Butler counties, equal to the size of Hamilton County. They're all Reds, Bengals, and FCC fans, while Columbus Crew or Blue Jackets fans are thin on the ground. Why not UC, too?

UC is #3 in the county where the football team has summer practices (Franklin County, IN). That's embarrassing.

Northern KY and Warren/Butler counties all represent huge opportunities to grow the Bearcat brand. If I looked at the map correctly, the IN counties neighboring Louisville are labeled as U of L dominant.

The only downside of selling out Nippert is it limits the opportunity for new fans to experience Bearcat football firsthand. Folks around UC are pretty much convinced that the FC Cincinnati presence brought many suburbanites (including Butler/Warren residents) to the hilltop for the first time in a long time--maybe ever. For some, it was as shocking as those who haven't been to OTR in 30 years. Comments from the FCC crowd indicated they not only loved Nippert but the whole campus and surrounding neighborhoods. I don't know if enrollment data reflects a bump from those areas, but it wouldn't surprise me.

My ex-wife was from Fairfield and I lived in West Chester for a few years after graduating from UC. My impression is there is a big cultural divide between UC and a lot of people living in Butler and Warren County. It's gotten better I think with the younger crowd, but there are some folks up there who still hold old stereotypes and perceptions about the university, the area and the students who go there. Not sure you are ever going to convert the "old-heads" but its going to take time to organically grow the support for UC up there.

You have something similar in NKY but a bit different as so-called "state pride" is a factor. There are people living in NKY who don't cross that bridge. I read some data recently that listed where most of the out-of-state students come from and was bit shocked to see we have more from Indiana than Kentucky. I would figure with the size and proximity of Northern KY that we would have more from the Commonwealth but that is not the case.

There's a reason some locals used to call Hamilton, OH, "Hamil-tucky" because of a large transplant population from eastern Kentucky for what were once abundant manufacturing jobs there. Those were Big Blue Wildcat fans and there are still quite a few there. Mix in Miami U.-Hamilton and reasonable proximity to Oxford, and that school's winning ways for decades, and there was little interest in UC basketball or football in a bordering county.

I agree though, that's all changing generationally now that UC is playing on a big stage.

I had originally put something similar in my post but deleted it. Yeah, a lot of folks up there who became a UK fan because that was their mamaw or papaw's favorite team.

(10-21-2022 12:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-19-2022 10:57 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  I don't know how accurate these things are, but UC's goal should be to get to the point that they are no worse than 3rd in any county in Ohio. That will speak not only to our fanbase presence but also our alumni base and student recruitment base.

Interestingly, UC has pretty much already achieved that in greater Columbus, East to Adams & Putnam Counties, and 3/4 of the way up the I-75 corridor.


I think we need to work on our own suburbs.

There's 450,000 people in NKY, and there's no reason UC shouldn't be #1 there.

There's 800,000 people in Warren & Butler counties, equal to the size of Hamilton County. They're all Reds, Bengals, and FCC fans, while Columbus Crew or Blue Jackets fans are thin on the ground. Why not UC, too?

UC is #3 in the county where the football team has summer practices (Franklin County, IN). That's embarrassing.

15 years ago, UC would not have been a blip outside the immediate Cincinnati area. At least that’s what I surmise. I see better numbers in the future.

I see we’re split almost 50/50 with osu in brown county. Maybe give their QB that’s been putting up video game numbers a PWO offer and pickup virtually all their fans and own another local county