(03-31-2023 02:39 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote: McCasland did a great job at North Texas. His last two seasons were outstanding! 56-14. I just don’t care for his style of basketball. Never have cared for it. His last four years at North Texas, their tempo was ranked 350th or worse every year. They were dead last this season - 363rd. Nobody held the ball longer on an average offensive possession than North Texas. It was almost like watching the grass grow at a baseball game.
I for one am glad to see him moving on. It will be interesting to see how he fares at Texas Tech.
Kind of like when Mike Davis was here.
Certainly to a degree. After the ultra high pace of Mike Anderson’s teams, anything was going to feel slower.
Mike Davis - Tempo Rankings at UAB
2007 - 236
2008 - 110
2009 - 122
2010 - 257
2011 - 314
2012 - 320
Average = 226.5
Definitely a negative trend after the first year.
Grant McCasland - Tempo Rankings at North Texas
2018 - 196
2019 - 294
2020 - 350
2021 - 350
2022 - 358
2023 - 363
Average = 318.5
I remember Haase talking about the slow play with Davis. Even our nets were so tight to slow it down that sometimes the ball would get stuck on a made basket. One of the first things he did as UAB coach was buy loose nets to speed it back up.
(04-01-2023 01:41 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote: I thought it was a good hire too.
I was just shocked when I saw how his teams played when I first saw it, especially his first team. That team was in no way designed to run his system. I saw far more Taurus Dortch corner threes at the end of the shot clock than my stomach could handle that season.
I was an early adopter, done with Mike Davis before his first team even tipped it off for his first exhibition:
(11-02-2006 01:59 AM)58-56 Wrote: "Vaden has indeed been granted custody of the cherished #20 jersey."
If true, this is a blasphemy of the worst order. If we do not rise in righteous anger over this sodomization of our heritage, of our very identity, then we are no better than the degenerate bammers wallowing amid the ruins of a greater time, wondering what giants could have left behind such monuments.
I was there for the Nebraska game, my brothers and sisters. I was there to see #20, the First Blazer, the first player to wear the green and gold, the first to pledge to build this program in which we take such pride, take the court and write history against Western Kentucky, against Kentucky, Indiana and Virginia.
And I was there when the framed 20 jersey was handed to Oliver Robinson and Gene Bartow said, "No one will ever wear number 20 again for UAB."
No one.
Blazer basketball exists because of its heroes, and because of its loyal fans. We draw our strength from them, as they did from us. We gave them belief, and we honor them for what they were, for what we were. That 20 banner in the rafters honors every one of us as well, it recalls who we were, it is a symbol of our youth and of our strength, of our belief in a brighter future. Our heritage is not Mike Davis' to hand out to suitcase mercenaries as he pleases.
Our past makes us what we are. It is OUR past, it does not belong to outsiders to parcel out as gifts to their favorites. My thoughts were exactly those of Memphis Blazer when I saw the roster and fought down the urge to vomit: I do not care if Michael Jordan at his prime wants the number. I do not care how many banners, how many championships we might win by desecrating our history. No player, no coach is worth such a price.
If this is true, and allowed to stand, then let us immediately re-name the arena for Mike Davis. To hell with Gene Bartow; let's re-cast his statue by the flames of our burning NCAA banners and re-make it in the image of Wimp "c@$%s&%$@#" Sanderson.
A coach with bammer roots must take special pains to respect our heritage and our tradition. If this is true, and I pray that it is not, then we have allowed an elephant into our dragon's nest, and he is stomping on our precious eggs while chanting "rammer jammer."
I will not renew my season tickets, held since 1979, to watch anyone disrespect our heritage by desecrating our sacred retired numbers. What's next? Will he forfeit the 1993 game to make the bammers feel better about themselves?
My brothers, my sisters, I went to Bartow Arena (if that's still its name) tonight in a state of excitement. It turned to ashes when the brunette beauty handed me the evening's roster. If this is allowed to stand, then our belief has been betrayed.
Note: It was true. Davis gave Vaden #20. I spoke with Donnie Marsh the morning after I posted the above rant, and he fixed it. Marsh was a real, stand-up man, and also sane.
(04-01-2023 01:41 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote: I thought it was a good hire too.
I was just shocked when I saw how his teams played when I first saw it, especially his first team. That team was in no way designed to run his system. I saw far more Taurus Dortch corner threes at the end of the shot clock than my stomach could handle that season.
I was an early adopter, done with Mike Davis before his first team even tipped it off for his first exhibition:
(11-02-2006 01:59 AM)58-56 Wrote: "Vaden has indeed been granted custody of the cherished #20 jersey."
If true, this is a blasphemy of the worst order. If we do not rise in righteous anger over this sodomization of our heritage, of our very identity, then we are no better than the degenerate bammers wallowing amid the ruins of a greater time, wondering what giants could have left behind such monuments.
I was there for the Nebraska game, my brothers and sisters. I was there to see #20, the First Blazer, the first player to wear the green and gold, the first to pledge to build this program in which we take such pride, take the court and write history against Western Kentucky, against Kentucky, Indiana and Virginia.
And I was there when the framed 20 jersey was handed to Oliver Robinson and Gene Bartow said, "No one will ever wear number 20 again for UAB."
No one.
Blazer basketball exists because of its heroes, and because of its loyal fans. We draw our strength from them, as they did from us. We gave them belief, and we honor them for what they were, for what we were. That 20 banner in the rafters honors every one of us as well, it recalls who we were, it is a symbol of our youth and of our strength, of our belief in a brighter future. Our heritage is not Mike Davis' to hand out to suitcase mercenaries as he pleases.
Our past makes us what we are. It is OUR past, it does not belong to outsiders to parcel out as gifts to their favorites. My thoughts were exactly those of Memphis Blazer when I saw the roster and fought down the urge to vomit: I do not care if Michael Jordan at his prime wants the number. I do not care how many banners, how many championships we might win by desecrating our history. No player, no coach is worth such a price.
If this is true, and allowed to stand, then let us immediately re-name the arena for Mike Davis. To hell with Gene Bartow; let's re-cast his statue by the flames of our burning NCAA banners and re-make it in the image of Wimp "c@$%s&%$@#" Sanderson.
A coach with bammer roots must take special pains to respect our heritage and our tradition. If this is true, and I pray that it is not, then we have allowed an elephant into our dragon's nest, and he is stomping on our precious eggs while chanting "rammer jammer."
I will not renew my season tickets, held since 1979, to watch anyone disrespect our heritage by desecrating our sacred retired numbers. What's next? Will he forfeit the 1993 game to make the bammers feel better about themselves?
My brothers, my sisters, I went to Bartow Arena (if that's still its name) tonight in a state of excitement. It turned to ashes when the brunette beauty handed me the evening's roster. If this is allowed to stand, then our belief has been betrayed.
Note: It was true. Davis gave Vaden #20. I spoke with Donnie Marsh the morning after I posted the above rant, and he fixed it. Marsh was a real, stand-up man, and also sane.
(04-01-2023 01:41 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote: I thought it was a good hire too.
I was just shocked when I saw how his teams played when I first saw it, especially his first team. That team was in no way designed to run his system. I saw far more Taurus Dortch corner threes at the end of the shot clock than my stomach could handle that season.
I was an early adopter, done with Mike Davis before his first team even tipped it off for his first exhibition:
(11-02-2006 01:59 AM)58-56 Wrote: "Vaden has indeed been granted custody of the cherished #20 jersey."
If true, this is a blasphemy of the worst order. If we do not rise in righteous anger over this sodomization of our heritage, of our very identity, then we are no better than the degenerate bammers wallowing amid the ruins of a greater time, wondering what giants could have left behind such monuments.
I was there for the Nebraska game, my brothers and sisters. I was there to see #20, the First Blazer, the first player to wear the green and gold, the first to pledge to build this program in which we take such pride, take the court and write history against Western Kentucky, against Kentucky, Indiana and Virginia.
And I was there when the framed 20 jersey was handed to Oliver Robinson and Gene Bartow said, "No one will ever wear number 20 again for UAB."
No one.
Blazer basketball exists because of its heroes, and because of its loyal fans. We draw our strength from them, as they did from us. We gave them belief, and we honor them for what they were, for what we were. That 20 banner in the rafters honors every one of us as well, it recalls who we were, it is a symbol of our youth and of our strength, of our belief in a brighter future. Our heritage is not Mike Davis' to hand out to suitcase mercenaries as he pleases.
Our past makes us what we are. It is OUR past, it does not belong to outsiders to parcel out as gifts to their favorites. My thoughts were exactly those of Memphis Blazer when I saw the roster and fought down the urge to vomit: I do not care if Michael Jordan at his prime wants the number. I do not care how many banners, how many championships we might win by desecrating our history. No player, no coach is worth such a price.
If this is true, and allowed to stand, then let us immediately re-name the arena for Mike Davis. To hell with Gene Bartow; let's re-cast his statue by the flames of our burning NCAA banners and re-make it in the image of Wimp "c@$%s&%$@#" Sanderson.
A coach with bammer roots must take special pains to respect our heritage and our tradition. If this is true, and I pray that it is not, then we have allowed an elephant into our dragon's nest, and he is stomping on our precious eggs while chanting "rammer jammer."
I will not renew my season tickets, held since 1979, to watch anyone disrespect our heritage by desecrating our sacred retired numbers. What's next? Will he forfeit the 1993 game to make the bammers feel better about themselves?
My brothers, my sisters, I went to Bartow Arena (if that's still its name) tonight in a state of excitement. It turned to ashes when the brunette beauty handed me the evening's roster. If this is allowed to stand, then our belief has been betrayed.
Note: It was true. Davis gave Vaden #20. I spoke with Donnie Marsh the morning after I posted the above rant, and he fixed it. Marsh was a real, stand-up man, and also sane.
Agree. Marsh is a great guy. The way he took ownership of the U2B jersey debacle, I thought spoke volumes about his character. Honestly, I didn’t think the U2B jerseys looked that bad, just the numbers need to be visible. Black writing on dark green uniforms wasn’t the greatest idea.
(04-01-2023 01:41 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote: I thought it was a good hire too.
I was just shocked when I saw how his teams played when I first saw it, especially his first team. That team was in no way designed to run his system. I saw far more Taurus Dortch corner threes at the end of the shot clock than my stomach could handle that season.
I was an early adopter, done with Mike Davis before his first team even tipped it off for his first exhibition:
(11-02-2006 01:59 AM)58-56 Wrote: "Vaden has indeed been granted custody of the cherished #20 jersey."
If true, this is a blasphemy of the worst order. If we do not rise in righteous anger over this sodomization of our heritage, of our very identity, then we are no better than the degenerate bammers wallowing amid the ruins of a greater time, wondering what giants could have left behind such monuments.
I was there for the Nebraska game, my brothers and sisters. I was there to see #20, the First Blazer, the first player to wear the green and gold, the first to pledge to build this program in which we take such pride, take the court and write history against Western Kentucky, against Kentucky, Indiana and Virginia.
And I was there when the framed 20 jersey was handed to Oliver Robinson and Gene Bartow said, "No one will ever wear number 20 again for UAB."
No one.
Blazer basketball exists because of its heroes, and because of its loyal fans. We draw our strength from them, as they did from us. We gave them belief, and we honor them for what they were, for what we were. That 20 banner in the rafters honors every one of us as well, it recalls who we were, it is a symbol of our youth and of our strength, of our belief in a brighter future. Our heritage is not Mike Davis' to hand out to suitcase mercenaries as he pleases.
Our past makes us what we are. It is OUR past, it does not belong to outsiders to parcel out as gifts to their favorites. My thoughts were exactly those of Memphis Blazer when I saw the roster and fought down the urge to vomit: I do not care if Michael Jordan at his prime wants the number. I do not care how many banners, how many championships we might win by desecrating our history. No player, no coach is worth such a price.
If this is true, and allowed to stand, then let us immediately re-name the arena for Mike Davis. To hell with Gene Bartow; let's re-cast his statue by the flames of our burning NCAA banners and re-make it in the image of Wimp "c@$%s&%$@#" Sanderson.
A coach with bammer roots must take special pains to respect our heritage and our tradition. If this is true, and I pray that it is not, then we have allowed an elephant into our dragon's nest, and he is stomping on our precious eggs while chanting "rammer jammer."
I will not renew my season tickets, held since 1979, to watch anyone disrespect our heritage by desecrating our sacred retired numbers. What's next? Will he forfeit the 1993 game to make the bammers feel better about themselves?
My brothers, my sisters, I went to Bartow Arena (if that's still its name) tonight in a state of excitement. It turned to ashes when the brunette beauty handed me the evening's roster. If this is allowed to stand, then our belief has been betrayed.
Note: It was true. Davis gave Vaden #20. I spoke with Donnie Marsh the morning after I posted the above rant, and he fixed it. Marsh was a real, stand-up man, and also sane.
Agree. Marsh is a great guy. The way he took ownership of the U2B jersey debacle, I thought spoke volumes about his character. Honestly, I didn’t think the U2B jerseys looked that bad, just the numbers need to be visible. Black writing on dark green uniforms wasn’t the greatest idea.
I also liked Marsh. Unlike the head coach, he would speak to you in passing.
(04-01-2023 01:41 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote: I thought it was a good hire too.
I was just shocked when I saw how his teams played when I first saw it, especially his first team. That team was in no way designed to run his system. I saw far more Taurus Dortch corner threes at the end of the shot clock than my stomach could handle that season.
I was an early adopter, done with Mike Davis before his first team even tipped it off for his first exhibition:
(11-02-2006 01:59 AM)58-56 Wrote: "Vaden has indeed been granted custody of the cherished #20 jersey."
If true, this is a blasphemy of the worst order. If we do not rise in righteous anger over this sodomization of our heritage, of our very identity, then we are no better than the degenerate bammers wallowing amid the ruins of a greater time, wondering what giants could have left behind such monuments.
I was there for the Nebraska game, my brothers and sisters. I was there to see #20, the First Blazer, the first player to wear the green and gold, the first to pledge to build this program in which we take such pride, take the court and write history against Western Kentucky, against Kentucky, Indiana and Virginia.
And I was there when the framed 20 jersey was handed to Oliver Robinson and Gene Bartow said, "No one will ever wear number 20 again for UAB."
No one.
Blazer basketball exists because of its heroes, and because of its loyal fans. We draw our strength from them, as they did from us. We gave them belief, and we honor them for what they were, for what we were. That 20 banner in the rafters honors every one of us as well, it recalls who we were, it is a symbol of our youth and of our strength, of our belief in a brighter future. Our heritage is not Mike Davis' to hand out to suitcase mercenaries as he pleases.
Our past makes us what we are. It is OUR past, it does not belong to outsiders to parcel out as gifts to their favorites. My thoughts were exactly those of Memphis Blazer when I saw the roster and fought down the urge to vomit: I do not care if Michael Jordan at his prime wants the number. I do not care how many banners, how many championships we might win by desecrating our history. No player, no coach is worth such a price.
If this is true, and allowed to stand, then let us immediately re-name the arena for Mike Davis. To hell with Gene Bartow; let's re-cast his statue by the flames of our burning NCAA banners and re-make it in the image of Wimp "c@$%s&%$@#" Sanderson.
A coach with bammer roots must take special pains to respect our heritage and our tradition. If this is true, and I pray that it is not, then we have allowed an elephant into our dragon's nest, and he is stomping on our precious eggs while chanting "rammer jammer."
I will not renew my season tickets, held since 1979, to watch anyone disrespect our heritage by desecrating our sacred retired numbers. What's next? Will he forfeit the 1993 game to make the bammers feel better about themselves?
My brothers, my sisters, I went to Bartow Arena (if that's still its name) tonight in a state of excitement. It turned to ashes when the brunette beauty handed me the evening's roster. If this is allowed to stand, then our belief has been betrayed.
Note: It was true. Davis gave Vaden #20. I spoke with Donnie Marsh the morning after I posted the above rant, and he fixed it. Marsh was a real, stand-up man, and also sane.
Agree. Marsh is a great guy. The way he took ownership of the U2B jersey debacle, I thought spoke volumes about his character. Honestly, I didn’t think the U2B jerseys looked that bad, just the numbers need to be visible. Black writing on dark green uniforms wasn’t the greatest idea.
I also liked Marsh. Unlike the head coach, he would speak to you in passing.
I never had a problem speaking to Coach Davis or Coach Marsh in passing.
(04-02-2023 01:36 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote: I also liked Marsh. Unlike the head coach, he would speak to you in passing.
Davis once stopped at the table in the Fish Market where I was dining with my smoking hot wife and delivered a five-minute exposition on the merits of different species of fish when served blackened.
I've always assumed that he recognized us from somewhere, then only after speaking realized that he didn't actually know us, and was trying to cover his embarrassment. But the guy was, I think the technical term is, more than slightly nuts.
(This post was last modified: 04-03-2023 11:45 AM by 58-56.)
He always spoke to me and I attended a lot of practices. One time I was questioning him on getting teams to Bartow he took me into his office, explained how difficult it was and the dynamics on getting teams to play us. He told me "Watch this". He proceeded to call the GT coach at the time and put it on speaker and let me listen in. To paraphrase their coach said that we were too good and he could not afford a loss to us and would not even play us there. True story. The statute of limitations has run out so I can tell it. LOL Yea he was and probably still is bi-polar but he was always nice to me.
It could be that I caught him in a mood. Although I have been a long time season ticket holder, I don’t normally run into coaches. My only encounter with him was on a campus sidewalk near Bartow Arena. I said “How is it going coach?” He just looked at me and passed on by.
I had a similar encounter with Coach Marsh at a softball game and he stopped and shook my hand and spoke to me.
(04-03-2023 02:59 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote: It could be that I caught him in a mood. Although I have been a long time season ticket holder, I don’t normally run into coaches. My only encounter with him was on a campus sidewalk near Bartow Arena. I said “How is it going coach?” He just looked at me and passed on by.
I had a similar encounter with Coach Marsh at a softball game and he stopped and shook my hand and spoke to me.
Coach Davis is a good man.. I had the pleasure of eating lunch with him and Coach Marsh on numerous occasions.. he was definitely an introvert until he got to know you..
Davis and Marsh were both nice and spoke to me from time to time. My work schedule at the time let me catch a lot of practices. I'd just sit in the stands and watch but I guess after they saw me around a while they got comfortable.
We all knew that Davis was an odd duck though.
I used to see his son Antoine snd Audra Smith's son at the Bart, hooping it up. They both wound up on that Detroit Mercy team.
(04-03-2023 02:59 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote: It could be that I caught him in a mood. Although I have been a long time season ticket holder, I don’t normally run into coaches. My only encounter with him was on a campus sidewalk near Bartow Arena. I said “How is it going coach?” He just looked at me and passed on by.
I had a similar encounter with Coach Marsh at a softball game and he stopped and shook my hand and spoke to me.
Coach Davis is a good man.. I had the pleasure of eating lunch with him and Coach Marsh on numerous occasions.. he was definitely an introvert until he got to know you..
(04-03-2023 02:59 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote: It could be that I caught him in a mood. Although I have been a long time season ticket holder, I don’t normally run into coaches. My only encounter with him was on a campus sidewalk near Bartow Arena. I said “How is it going coach?” He just looked at me and passed on by.
I had a similar encounter with Coach Marsh at a softball game and he stopped and shook my hand and spoke to me.
Coach Davis is a good man.. I had the pleasure of eating lunch with him and Coach Marsh on numerous occasions.. he was definitely an introvert until he got to know you..
Agree. Mike Davis is a tremendous person.
You are one of the very few people I have ever seen or hear say that
(04-03-2023 05:34 PM)busch Wrote: Agree. Mike Davis is a tremendous person.
You are one of the very few people I have ever seen or hear say that
Look, I had strong opinions on Mike Davis when he was hired as a former Indiana fan:
demiveeman Wrote:I can't believe we are paying the coach that gave Indiana (I'm actually from Indiana originally) its first losing season in over 30 years more than the coach that gave us 3 NCAA appearances in 4 years.
That said, by the end of his tenure at UAB - despite the fact it was clear to me he was looking for the next step out for most of that time - I actually enjoyed interacting with him on a lot of different occasions. He had a good sense of humor (which could be very frustrating during losing streaks) but cared a lot about his players and even some of the fans/media.
Good time to link to this Mike Davis retrospective that literally happened AFTER he was fired (so you can't say it was in hindsight) where we shared our thoughts on him as a person:
I don't think you are that connected to the bigger fanbase if it has been THAT RARE for you to hear positive things about him as a person. But, in general, he wasn't the most liked coach ever - for sure.
(This post was last modified: 04-03-2023 07:48 PM by demiveeman.)
(04-03-2023 02:59 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote: It could be that I caught him in a mood. Although I have been a long time season ticket holder, I don’t normally run into coaches. My only encounter with him was on a campus sidewalk near Bartow Arena. I said “How is it going coach?” He just looked at me and passed on by.
I had a similar encounter with Coach Marsh at a softball game and he stopped and shook my hand and spoke to me.
Coach Davis is a good man.. I had the pleasure of eating lunch with him and Coach Marsh on numerous occasions.. he was definitely an introvert until he got to know you..
Agree. Mike Davis is a tremendous person.
You are one of the very few people I have ever seen or hear say that
I knew him well when he was at UAB. I always enjoyed being around him.
(04-03-2023 05:34 PM)busch Wrote: Agree. Mike Davis is a tremendous person.
You are one of the very few people I have ever seen or hear say that
Look, I had strong opinions on Mike Davis when he was hired as a former Indiana fan:
demiveeman Wrote:I can't believe we are paying the coach that gave Indiana (I'm actually from Indiana originally) its first losing season in over 30 years more than the coach that gave us 3 NCAA appearances in 4 years.
That said, by the end of his tenure at UAB - despite the fact it was clear to me he was looking for the next step out for most of that time - I actually enjoyed interacting with him on a lot of different occasions. He had a good sense of humor (which could be very frustrating during losing streaks) but cared a lot about his players and even some of the fans/media.
Good time to link to this Mike Davis retrospective that literally happened AFTER he was fired (so you can't say it was in hindsight) where we shared our thoughts on him as a person:
I don't think you are that connected to the bigger fanbase if it has been THAT RARE for you to hear positive things about him as a person. But, in general, he wasn't the most liked coach ever - for sure.
He is pretty universally disliked across all Indiana and UAB fans. I don't know any texas state or detroit mercy fans to ask them. Not saying their aren't a few people that had good interactions with him, but the general consensus on him is not good.
This is a bit of a ran, but You are very condescending in a lot of your posts.
I may not be sitting and holding hands with Attalla and Dueling Dragon at every home game, but there aren't many human beings as connected to UAB as I am.
I stand by what I said. VERY few people liked Mike Davis when he was the coach at UAB. Even fewer would go so far as to say he was a "tremendous person."
(This post was last modified: 04-03-2023 08:35 PM by The Answer UAB.)
(04-03-2023 08:27 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote: I stand by what I said. VERY few people liked Mike Davis when he was the coach at UAB. Even fewer would go so far as to say he was a "tremendous person."
I mean, I linked a video that specifically talked about how fans felt about him and even said in my post "But, in general, he wasn't the most liked coach ever - for sure." to provide a balanced response.
You were the one piling on the dude to the point of quote replying to others to publicly counter their appreciation of the guy for effect.
I will admit that you, of all people, calling ME condescending in THIS thread, of all places, put a smile on my face.
Congratulations to this year's team on a great NIT run and a special season!
(This post was last modified: 04-04-2023 12:34 AM by demiveeman.)
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