(10-18-2022 04:04 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: lol
Taggart is a straw man you created and no one else. He has nothing to do with the Deion discussion.
Are you completely daff? Deion is identified almost solely with FSU as a replacement for Norvell if the program continues to flounder (according to some media speculation). Taggart was the last disaster at FSU & yet had much more potential for success as a P5 HC given his previous success. Deion has 3 seasons at a FCS level school where his playing fame enables him to out-recruit his competition. Do you really think that experience as a FCS coach qualifies him as a serious candidate at a school like FSU where most all the competition has high level recruits? Wow, you've found the secret to high level FBS success - go find the FCS level coaches with the most bling & who has 3 years of winning (even if he's never qualified his school for an FCS championship beth). They're guaranteed winners in the big leagues & everyone should risk their programs to get such a proven winner.
Again, they are both black. What else do you have Einstein?
Quote:completely daff
You should put this in your Linkedin bio.
It's a bit creepy that he uses the same arguments against Deion that he uses against Penny - and throws Taggart in out of the blue as a comparison.
Inexperience is always a sound argument not unique to me, even in this thread And within FCS football despite Deion's wins that you tout, he has yet to qualify JSU for the FCS championships. Yours is simply not a sound basis for Deion being immediately successful at FSU where more qualified coaches like Taggart have been a disaster & where a more qualified Norvell is struggling. FSU can't afford another disaster & the circus around Deion would IMO & many others, insure it. And BTW, other than expressing concern about Penny's inexperience in the past (that has shown up during game mgmt) I have said very little negative about him as a coach.
Willie Taggart never played pro football, was never on tv, and had 7 years coaching experience before landing the Oregon job and then taking the FSU job. How does that compare in any way to Deion?
Quote:he has yet to qualify JSU for the FCS championships
Deion is 17-2 in his last 19 games. That isn't any good? He took them to their first bowl game in 50 (FIFTY) years. Are you really that thick?
(10-18-2022 02:57 PM)Stammers Wrote: *Do you know anything about him as a coach? He is 20-5. Sounds like the same crap you keep saying about Penny.
* rhetorical question, of course not.
Taggart had some good years to get him the FSU job. Go read the stories about what happened to the FSU program during his tenure.
lol
Taggart is a straw man you created and no one else. He has nothing to do with the Deion discussion.
Are you completely daff? Deion is identified almost solely with FSU as a replacement for Norvell if the program continues to flounder (according to some media speculation). Taggart was the last disaster at FSU & yet had much more potential for success as a P5 HC given his previous success. Deion has 3 seasons at a FCS level school where his playing fame enables him to out-recruit his competition. Do you really think that experience as a FCS coach qualifies him as a serious candidate at a school like FSU where most all the competition has high level recruits? Wow, you've found the secret to high level FBS success - go find the FCS level coaches with the most bling & who has 3 years of winning (even if he's never qualified his school for an FCS championship beth). They're guaranteed winners in the big leagues & everyone should risk their programs to get such a proven winner.
You are a trip.
You bring Taggart into this discussion as a comparison to Deion.
When there is really no comparison between the 2 - as seen by your breakdown of their resumes.
Yet you somehow get offended when no one buys your Taggart comparison (as there is none), and you double-down.
Keep doing you, non-fan.
He will double down on nonsense without having a clue. He was involved in a thread and tried to argue the intricacies of Lomax plus/minus numbers, and finished up by saying "plus/minus is offense, isn't it?" He posted that we played for the national championship in the 2007 season.
Now he is singling out 3 black coaches that literally have nothing else in common. Go figure.
(10-18-2022 03:19 PM)Atlanta Wrote: Taggart had some good years to get him the FSU job. Go read the stories about what happened to the FSU program during his tenure.
lol
Taggart is a straw man you created and no one else. He has nothing to do with the Deion discussion.
Are you completely daff? Deion is identified almost solely with FSU as a replacement for Norvell if the program continues to flounder (according to some media speculation). Taggart was the last disaster at FSU & yet had much more potential for success as a P5 HC given his previous success. Deion has 3 seasons at a FCS level school where his playing fame enables him to out-recruit his competition. Do you really think that experience as a FCS coach qualifies him as a serious candidate at a school like FSU where most all the competition has high level recruits? Wow, you've found the secret to high level FBS success - go find the FCS level coaches with the most bling & who has 3 years of winning (even if he's never qualified his school for an FCS championship beth). They're guaranteed winners in the big leagues & everyone should risk their programs to get such a proven winner.
You are a trip.
You bring Taggart into this discussion as a comparison to Deion.
When there is really no comparison between the 2 - as seen by your breakdown of their resumes.
Yet you somehow get offended when no one buys your Taggart comparison (as there is none), and you double-down.
Keep doing you, non-fan.
He will double down on nonsense without having a clue. He was involved in a thread and tried to argue the intricacies of Lomax plus/minus numbers, and finished up by saying "plus/minus is offense, isn't it?" He posted that we played for the national championship in the 2007 season.
Now he is singling out 3 black coaches that literally have nothing else in common. Go figure.
3 black coaches? Is Norvell black? No, actually I'm singling out FSU coaches & a guy that wants to be their next coach who has a grand total of 2 1/2 yrs total coaching experience at FCS level & who, to this point hasn't even got his school qualified for an FCS championships. And I don't care or even consider their race. It's simply that Taggart was a disaster, Norvell is struggling & Deion is a circus show that even his fellow HBCU coaches don't like. You guys are laughable & should be ashamed of yourselves to play the race card. 2+2 doesn't equal 5 BTW.
(10-19-2022 09:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote: 3 black coaches? Is Norvell black? No, actually I'm singling out FSU coaches & a guy that wants to be their next coach who has a grand total of 2 1/2 yrs total coaching experience at FCS level & who, to this point hasn't even got his school qualified for an FCS championships.
You keep bringing this up, "hasn't even qualified for the FCS championships". So sadly, I have to point out your wrongness.
Deion and JCS won the SWAC with a perfect conference record. The FCS takes all conference champions. So they absolutely qualified. The complication is that the SWAC champ game is played a week after the FCS playoffs have already begun. So the only SWAC team who can go to the playoffs is an At Large team who is not playing in the CCG. Last year it was Florida A&M - the 3rd place SWAC team and a team JSU beat in the regular season. The SWAC has decided they can make more money by playing a CCG and then going to a bowl game, than they can in the FCS playoffs. And who can blame them with their shoestring budgets. Their schedule calendar is similar to an FBS schedule rather than the other FCS schedules.
Deion and JSU won the conference and went to a bowl game. I expect this will go over your head, but I'm putting it out there for everyone else to understand how wrong you are.
(10-19-2022 09:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote: 3 black coaches? Is Norvell black? No, actually I'm singling out FSU coaches & a guy that wants to be their next coach who has a grand total of 2 1/2 yrs total coaching experience at FCS level & who, to this point hasn't even got his school qualified for an FCS championships.
You keep bringing this up, "hasn't even qualified for the FCS championships". So sadly, I have to point out your wrongness.
Deion and JCS won the SWAC with a perfect conference record. The FCS takes all conference champions. So they absolutely qualified. The complication is that the SWAC champ game is played a week after the FCS playoffs have already begun. So the only SWAC team who can go to the playoffs is an At Large team who is not playing in the CCG. Last year it was Florida A&M - the 3rd place SWAC team and a team JSU beat in the regular season. The SWAC has decided they can make more money by playing a CCG and then going to a bowl game, than they can in the FCS playoffs. And who can blame them with their shoestring budgets. Their schedule calendar is similar to an FBS schedule rather than the other FCS schedules.
Deion and JSU won the conference and went to a bowl game. I expect this will go over your head, but I'm putting it out there for everyone else to understand how wrong you are.
Don't buy your spin. The SWAC & MEAC chose to create a bowl years back in which their champions play each other every year as opposed to possibly receiving an invitation for their conference champions to play in the FCS championships. To my knowledge the SWAC & MEAC have never received an auto bid to the FCS playoffs although in the past several SWAC teams have received at-large invitations. It seems to many in the media that if Deion & JSU wanted to prove they are a top level program they would forgo their bowl game & actually compete for the FCS championship. And BTW, why not push the coach at ND St for an FBS job? He's only won the FCS championships the last 2 yrs? And another BTW, there are only 10 FCS conferences that receive autobids to the FCS championships (not including SWAC) & the remaining are at-large bids not guaranteed.
(This post was last modified: 10-21-2022 07:55 AM by Atlanta.)
(10-19-2022 09:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote: 3 black coaches? Is Norvell black? No, actually I'm singling out FSU coaches & a guy that wants to be their next coach who has a grand total of 2 1/2 yrs total coaching experience at FCS level & who, to this point hasn't even got his school qualified for an FCS championships.
You keep bringing this up, "hasn't even qualified for the FCS championships". So sadly, I have to point out your wrongness.
Deion and JCS won the SWAC with a perfect conference record. The FCS takes all conference champions. So they absolutely qualified. The complication is that the SWAC champ game is played a week after the FCS playoffs have already begun. So the only SWAC team who can go to the playoffs is an At Large team who is not playing in the CCG. Last year it was Florida A&M - the 3rd place SWAC team and a team JSU beat in the regular season. The SWAC has decided they can make more money by playing a CCG and then going to a bowl game, than they can in the FCS playoffs. And who can blame them with their shoestring budgets. Their schedule calendar is similar to an FBS schedule rather than the other FCS schedules.
Deion and JSU won the conference and went to a bowl game. I expect this will go over your head, but I'm putting it out there for everyone else to understand how wrong you are.
Don't buy your spin. The SWAC & MEAC chose to create a bowl years back in which their champions play each other every year as opposed to possibly receiving an invitation for their conference champions to play in the FCS championships. To my knowledge the SWAC & MEAC have never received an auto bid to the FCS playoffs although in the past several SWAC teams have received at-large invitations. It seems to many in the media that if Deion & JSU wanted to prove they are a top level program they would forgo their bowl game & actually compete for the FCS championship. And BTW, why not push the coach at ND St for an FBS job? He's only won the FCS championships the last 2 yrs? And another BTW, there are only 10 FCS conferences that receive autobids to the FCS championships (not including SWAC) & the remaining are at-large bids not guaranteed.
They pulled out of the FCS playoffs because their champion was routinely mauled.
(10-19-2022 09:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote: 3 black coaches? Is Norvell black? No, actually I'm singling out FSU coaches & a guy that wants to be their next coach who has a grand total of 2 1/2 yrs total coaching experience at FCS level & who, to this point hasn't even got his school qualified for an FCS championships.
You keep bringing this up, "hasn't even qualified for the FCS championships". So sadly, I have to point out your wrongness.
Deion and JCS won the SWAC with a perfect conference record. The FCS takes all conference champions. So they absolutely qualified. The complication is that the SWAC champ game is played a week after the FCS playoffs have already begun. So the only SWAC team who can go to the playoffs is an At Large team who is not playing in the CCG. Last year it was Florida A&M - the 3rd place SWAC team and a team JSU beat in the regular season. The SWAC has decided they can make more money by playing a CCG and then going to a bowl game, than they can in the FCS playoffs. And who can blame them with their shoestring budgets. Their schedule calendar is similar to an FBS schedule rather than the other FCS schedules.
Deion and JSU won the conference and went to a bowl game. I expect this will go over your head, but I'm putting it out there for everyone else to understand how wrong you are.
Their first bowl game in 50 years. They go to a bowl game with the same frequency that Atlanta is right about anything. It usually takes me 30 seconds or less to point out Atlanta's nonsense, good catch.
(10-19-2022 09:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote: 3 black coaches? Is Norvell black? No, actually I'm singling out FSU coaches & a guy that wants to be their next coach who has a grand total of 2 1/2 yrs total coaching experience at FCS level & who, to this point hasn't even got his school qualified for an FCS championships.
You keep bringing this up, "hasn't even qualified for the FCS championships". So sadly, I have to point out your wrongness.
Deion and JCS won the SWAC with a perfect conference record. The FCS takes all conference champions. So they absolutely qualified. The complication is that the SWAC champ game is played a week after the FCS playoffs have already begun. So the only SWAC team who can go to the playoffs is an At Large team who is not playing in the CCG. Last year it was Florida A&M - the 3rd place SWAC team and a team JSU beat in the regular season. The SWAC has decided they can make more money by playing a CCG and then going to a bowl game, than they can in the FCS playoffs. And who can blame them with their shoestring budgets. Their schedule calendar is similar to an FBS schedule rather than the other FCS schedules.
Deion and JSU won the conference and went to a bowl game. I expect this will go over your head, but I'm putting it out there for everyone else to understand how wrong you are.
Don't buy your spin. The SWAC & MEAC chose to create a bowl years back in which their champions play each other every year as opposed to possibly receiving an invitation for their conference champions to play in the FCS championships. To my knowledge the SWAC & MEAC have never received an auto bid to the FCS playoffs although in the past several SWAC teams have received at-large invitations. It seems to many in the media that if Deion & JSU wanted to prove they are a top level program they would forgo their bowl game & actually compete for the FCS championship. And BTW, why not push the coach at ND St for an FBS job? He's only won the FCS championships the last 2 yrs? And another BTW, there are only 10 FCS conferences that receive autobids to the FCS championships (not including SWAC) & the remaining are at-large bids not guaranteed.
you don't know our D1-AA football then mate. The money the SWAC and MEAC make on both their Championship games plus the Celebration Bowl dwarfs anything they could make in the playoffs. So, this decision is over Coach Prime's head. Also, the Ivy league also does not participate in the D1-AA playoffs because they think it will effect finals in December.
(10-19-2022 09:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote: 3 black coaches? Is Norvell black? No, actually I'm singling out FSU coaches & a guy that wants to be their next coach who has a grand total of 2 1/2 yrs total coaching experience at FCS level & who, to this point hasn't even got his school qualified for an FCS championships.
You keep bringing this up, "hasn't even qualified for the FCS championships". So sadly, I have to point out your wrongness.
Deion and JCS won the SWAC with a perfect conference record. The FCS takes all conference champions. So they absolutely qualified. The complication is that the SWAC champ game is played a week after the FCS playoffs have already begun. So the only SWAC team who can go to the playoffs is an At Large team who is not playing in the CCG. Last year it was Florida A&M - the 3rd place SWAC team and a team JSU beat in the regular season. The SWAC has decided they can make more money by playing a CCG and then going to a bowl game, than they can in the FCS playoffs. And who can blame them with their shoestring budgets. Their schedule calendar is similar to an FBS schedule rather than the other FCS schedules.
Deion and JSU won the conference and went to a bowl game. I expect this will go over your head, but I'm putting it out there for everyone else to understand how wrong you are.
Don't buy your spin. The SWAC & MEAC chose to create a bowl years back in which their champions play each other every year as opposed to possibly receiving an invitation for their conference champions to play in the FCS championships. To my knowledge the SWAC & MEAC have never received an auto bid to the FCS playoffs although in the past several SWAC teams have received at-large invitations. It seems to many in the media that if Deion & JSU wanted to prove they are a top level program they would forgo their bowl game & actually compete for the FCS championship. And BTW, why not push the coach at ND St for an FBS job? He's only won the FCS championships the last 2 yrs? And another BTW, there are only 10 FCS conferences that receive autobids to the FCS championships (not including SWAC) & the remaining are at-large bids not guaranteed.
you don't know our D1-AA football then mate. The money the SWAC and MEAC make on both their Championship games plus the Celebration Bowl dwarfs anything they could make in the playoffs. So, this decision is over Coach Prime's head. Also, the Ivy league also does not participate in the D1-AA playoffs because they think it will effect finals in December.
What I do know is that 24 teams compete for the FCS championship, 10 conference champions receive pre-designated autobids (SWAC & MEAC do not) & the remainder of teams invited are at-large bids (& in some years a SWAC school does receive an at-large bid).
I just want to wake up tomorrow morning and get the news that he's been relieved of his duties as head football coach and reassigned within the athletic department to something more commensurate with his job skills.
(10-22-2022 07:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote: I just want to wake up tomorrow morning and get the news that he's been relieved of his duties as head football coach and reassigned within the athletic department to something more commensurate with his job skills.
(10-19-2022 09:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote: 3 black coaches? Is Norvell black? No, actually I'm singling out FSU coaches & a guy that wants to be their next coach who has a grand total of 2 1/2 yrs total coaching experience at FCS level & who, to this point hasn't even got his school qualified for an FCS championships.
You keep bringing this up, "hasn't even qualified for the FCS championships". So sadly, I have to point out your wrongness.
Deion and JCS won the SWAC with a perfect conference record. The FCS takes all conference champions. So they absolutely qualified. The complication is that the SWAC champ game is played a week after the FCS playoffs have already begun. So the only SWAC team who can go to the playoffs is an At Large team who is not playing in the CCG. Last year it was Florida A&M - the 3rd place SWAC team and a team JSU beat in the regular season. The SWAC has decided they can make more money by playing a CCG and then going to a bowl game, than they can in the FCS playoffs. And who can blame them with their shoestring budgets. Their schedule calendar is similar to an FBS schedule rather than the other FCS schedules.
Deion and JSU won the conference and went to a bowl game. I expect this will go over your head, but I'm putting it out there for everyone else to understand how wrong you are.
Don't buy your spin. The SWAC & MEAC chose to create a bowl years back in which their champions play each other every year as opposed to possibly receiving an invitation for their conference champions to play in the FCS championships. To my knowledge the SWAC & MEAC have never received an auto bid to the FCS playoffs although in the past several SWAC teams have received at-large invitations. It seems to many in the media that if Deion & JSU wanted to prove they are a top level program they would forgo their bowl game & actually compete for the FCS championship. And BTW, why not push the coach at ND St for an FBS job? He's only won the FCS championships the last 2 yrs? And another BTW, there are only 10 FCS conferences that receive autobids to the FCS championships (not including SWAC) & the remaining are at-large bids not guaranteed.
Right.
So the FCS took the 3rd place SWAC team, that JSU had beaten on their way to an undefeated SWAC season, OVER JSU - and the publicity that Deion would have brought to the FCS playoffs.
Because JSU "didn't qualify" but the 3rd place team did.
Makes perfect sense to you, I suppose.
Dude, you're looking bad on this. Please check the FCS schedule dates, see that the playoffs begin BEFORE the SWAC CCG, and just stop.
(10-19-2022 09:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote: 3 black coaches? Is Norvell black? No, actually I'm singling out FSU coaches & a guy that wants to be their next coach who has a grand total of 2 1/2 yrs total coaching experience at FCS level & who, to this point hasn't even got his school qualified for an FCS championships.
You keep bringing this up, "hasn't even qualified for the FCS championships". So sadly, I have to point out your wrongness.
Deion and JCS won the SWAC with a perfect conference record. The FCS takes all conference champions. So they absolutely qualified. The complication is that the SWAC champ game is played a week after the FCS playoffs have already begun. So the only SWAC team who can go to the playoffs is an At Large team who is not playing in the CCG. Last year it was Florida A&M - the 3rd place SWAC team and a team JSU beat in the regular season. The SWAC has decided they can make more money by playing a CCG and then going to a bowl game, than they can in the FCS playoffs. And who can blame them with their shoestring budgets. Their schedule calendar is similar to an FBS schedule rather than the other FCS schedules.
Deion and JSU won the conference and went to a bowl game. I expect this will go over your head, but I'm putting it out there for everyone else to understand how wrong you are.
Don't buy your spin. The SWAC & MEAC chose to create a bowl years back in which their champions play each other every year as opposed to possibly receiving an invitation for their conference champions to play in the FCS championships. To my knowledge the SWAC & MEAC have never received an auto bid to the FCS playoffs although in the past several SWAC teams have received at-large invitations. It seems to many in the media that if Deion & JSU wanted to prove they are a top level program they would forgo their bowl game & actually compete for the FCS championship. And BTW, why not push the coach at ND St for an FBS job? He's only won the FCS championships the last 2 yrs? And another BTW, there are only 10 FCS conferences that receive autobids to the FCS championships (not including SWAC) & the remaining are at-large bids not guaranteed.
Right.
So the FCS took the 3rd place SWAC team, that JSU had beaten on their way to an undefeated SWAC season, OVER JSU - and the publicity that Deion would have brought to the FCS playoffs.
Because JSU "didn't qualify" but the 3rd place team did.
Makes perfect sense to you, I suppose.
Dude, you're looking bad on this. Please check the FCS schedule dates, see that the playoffs begin BEFORE the SWAC CCG, and just stop.
"Dude", please check the facts. Only 10 conferences get autobids but not the SWAC who have never had an autobid. ALL others, including the SWAC champ or who ever might get a bid are at-large bids. So, unlike what you or your twin say, ALL FCS conference champions DO NOT receive bids. You're just wrong
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He needs to be tarmac'd
