(10-18-2022 09:37 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  A&M has been courting SFA for years, while UT has been going all-in on UT-Tyler right down the road from Nac. All the other systems are late to the dinner table and really have nothing to offer that can remotely compare. SFA will be grandfathered into A&M PUF and become the Crown Jewel 2.0 of the A&M System. Just as it should be.

A&M specifically said we'd get HEF, not PUF. Which is a bummer. The offer would be much stronger with PUF access.

(10-18-2022 09:43 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(10-18-2022 09:37 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  A&M has been courting SFA for years, while UT has been going all-in on UT-Tyler right down the road from Nac. All the other systems are late to the dinner table and really have nothing to offer that can remotely compare. SFA will be grandfathered into A&M PUF and become the Crown Jewel 2.0 of the A&M System. Just as it should be.

A&M specifically said we'd get HEF, not PUF. Which is a bummer. The offer would be much stronger with PUF access.

HEF carries more versatility. PUF is very restrictive; only to be used for new construction or capital improvements. In other words, HEF can fund anything PUF can, and then some. Like, for instance, the purchase of land to build a satellite SFA campus. Tarleton (PUF) had to rely on private donors for the land in Ft. Worth.

Here is the Houston Chronicle’s summary of the pitches from each of the four systems.
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas...524486.php

There is some opposition from SFA people to joining a system!

https://sfafacts.com/

One small error about the composition of the UT System regents. One regent is a graduate of UT Arlington instead of UT Austin.

I kind of admire the resistance. Nevertheless, joining a system will be a net gain, IMO.

Side note: granted it was a long time ago, but the A&M System starved Arlington in the early 1960s, which is why they got out in favor of the UT System. As reported in the Dallas Business Journal in September, Chancellor Sharp said the A&M System "made a grave error in ceding" UTA to the UT System. Admitting that in public is interesting to me. They have said it in private for a long time.

(10-23-2022 07:13 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  There is some opposition from SFA people to joining a system!

https://sfafacts.com/

One small error about the composition of the UT System regents. One regent is a graduate of UT Arlington instead of UT Austin.

I kind of admire the resistance. Nevertheless, joining a system will be a net gain, IMO.

Side note: granted it was a long time ago, but the A&M System starved Arlington in the early 1960s, which is why they got out in favor of the UT System. As reported in the Dallas Business Journal in September, Chancellor Sharp said the A&M System "made a grave error in ceding" UTA to the UT System. Admitting that in public is interesting to me. They have said it in private for a long time.

The SFA Facts folks are dweebs who locked themselves in lockers growing up for attention.


And non investment in anything outside college station tbh, is A&M's M.O.

Tarleton is their greatest success story and most of that is the past 5 years. They would let every school in the system wither and die if it made CStat better.

(10-23-2022 10:50 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 07:13 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  There is some opposition from SFA people to joining a system!

https://sfafacts.com/

One small error about the composition of the UT System regents. One regent is a graduate of UT Arlington instead of UT Austin.

I kind of admire the resistance. Nevertheless, joining a system will be a net gain, IMO.

Side note: granted it was a long time ago, but the A&M System starved Arlington in the early 1960s, which is why they got out in favor of the UT System. As reported in the Dallas Business Journal in September, Chancellor Sharp said the A&M System "made a grave error in ceding" UTA to the UT System. Admitting that in public is interesting to me. They have said it in private for a long time.

The SFA Facts folks are dweebs who locked themselves in lockers growing up for attention.


And non investment in anything outside college station tbh, is A&M's M.O.

Tarleton is their greatest success story and most of that is the past 5 years. They would let every school in the system wither and die if it made CStat better.

I remember there were demonstrations in Arlington with students holding banners saying we dont want to be Aggies. in the 60's there werent girls at a&m and one pretty much had to be in the corps so it was a non starter for me when picking a school. I ended up going to Texas A&I my first year because I got a partial scholarship to engineering school. I switched to Architecture after that and headed to Arlington. by then it was UTA.

(10-24-2022 07:44 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 10:50 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 07:13 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  There is some opposition from SFA people to joining a system!

https://sfafacts.com/

One small error about the composition of the UT System regents. One regent is a graduate of UT Arlington instead of UT Austin.

I kind of admire the resistance. Nevertheless, joining a system will be a net gain, IMO.

Side note: granted it was a long time ago, but the A&M System starved Arlington in the early 1960s, which is why they got out in favor of the UT System. As reported in the Dallas Business Journal in September, Chancellor Sharp said the A&M System "made a grave error in ceding" UTA to the UT System. Admitting that in public is interesting to me. They have said it in private for a long time.

The SFA Facts folks are dweebs who locked themselves in lockers growing up for attention.


And non investment in anything outside college station tbh, is A&M's M.O.

Tarleton is their greatest success story and most of that is the past 5 years. They would let every school in the system wither and die if it made CStat better.

I remember there were demonstrations in Arlington with students holding banners saying we dont want to be Aggies. in the 60's there werent girls at a&m and one pretty much had to be in the corps so it was a non starter for me when picking a school. I ended up going to Texas A&I my first year because I got a partial scholarship to engineering school. I switched to Architecture after that and headed to Arlington. by then it was UTA.

How'd you feel about the Texas A&I to TAMUK name change? Seemed to me A&I was an established name with some (modest) statewide draw, it's hard to see what they gained.

(10-24-2022 08:29 AM)edinburger Wrote:  

(10-24-2022 07:44 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 10:50 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 07:13 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  There is some opposition from SFA people to joining a system!

https://sfafacts.com/

One small error about the composition of the UT System regents. One regent is a graduate of UT Arlington instead of UT Austin.

I kind of admire the resistance. Nevertheless, joining a system will be a net gain, IMO.

Side note: granted it was a long time ago, but the A&M System starved Arlington in the early 1960s, which is why they got out in favor of the UT System. As reported in the Dallas Business Journal in September, Chancellor Sharp said the A&M System "made a grave error in ceding" UTA to the UT System. Admitting that in public is interesting to me. They have said it in private for a long time.

The SFA Facts folks are dweebs who locked themselves in lockers growing up for attention.


And non investment in anything outside college station tbh, is A&M's M.O.

Tarleton is their greatest success story and most of that is the past 5 years. They would let every school in the system wither and die if it made CStat better.

I remember there were demonstrations in Arlington with students holding banners saying we dont want to be Aggies. in the 60's there werent girls at a&m and one pretty much had to be in the corps so it was a non starter for me when picking a school. I ended up going to Texas A&I my first year because I got a partial scholarship to engineering school. I switched to Architecture after that and headed to Arlington. by then it was UTA.

How'd you feel about the Texas A&I to TAMUK name change? Seemed to me A&I was an established name with some (modest) statewide draw, it's hard to see what they gained.

I was one of the many that did not care for it. A&I is and old school with a long history and tradition so many of us wanted it to stay the same. It was the go to school for many in the valley. they had ranching and petroleum engineering that were big draws down there. Kingsville is a small town and most students lived on or near campus so there was a lot of that community spirit there. football games were a big draw and being 40 miles from the beach and not far from Reynosa made it a fun place to be.

(10-23-2022 10:50 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 07:13 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  There is some opposition from SFA people to joining a system!

https://sfafacts.com/

One small error about the composition of the UT System regents. One regent is a graduate of UT Arlington instead of UT Austin.

I kind of admire the resistance. Nevertheless, joining a system will be a net gain, IMO.

Side note: granted it was a long time ago, but the A&M System starved Arlington in the early 1960s, which is why they got out in favor of the UT System. As reported in the Dallas Business Journal in September, Chancellor Sharp said the A&M System "made a grave error in ceding" UTA to the UT System. Admitting that in public is interesting to me. They have said it in private for a long time.

The SFA Facts folks are dweebs who locked themselves in lockers growing up for attention.


And non investment in anything outside college station tbh, is A&M's M.O.

Tarleton is their greatest success story and most of that is the past 5 years. They would let every school in the system wither and die if it made CStat better.

While I do agree with your overall assessment of A&M in the past that doesn’t necessarily correlate to today. Since Sharp has to over the helm not only Tarleton but TAMUCommerce, WT, Prairie View, & TAMUCC have all gotten substantial upgrades. Only TAMUK has been left out in the cold and that could be because they nixed the merger. Tarleton is growing faster than the others so my take is invest where you are seeing the results.

As far as the UT system I see nothing in common with SFA. The UT system is primarily an urban based university system.

My guess is A&M or Tech would be the better fit. A&M has better access to the purse strings but Tech is more hands off so there is positives for the schools in their current system.

(10-25-2022 07:13 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 10:50 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 07:13 PM)UTArlingtonMaverick Wrote:  There is some opposition from SFA people to joining a system!

https://sfafacts.com/

One small error about the composition of the UT System regents. One regent is a graduate of UT Arlington instead of UT Austin.

I kind of admire the resistance. Nevertheless, joining a system will be a net gain, IMO.

Side note: granted it was a long time ago, but the A&M System starved Arlington in the early 1960s, which is why they got out in favor of the UT System. As reported in the Dallas Business Journal in September, Chancellor Sharp said the A&M System "made a grave error in ceding" UTA to the UT System. Admitting that in public is interesting to me. They have said it in private for a long time.

The SFA Facts folks are dweebs who locked themselves in lockers growing up for attention.


And non investment in anything outside college station tbh, is A&M's M.O.

Tarleton is their greatest success story and most of that is the past 5 years. They would let every school in the system wither and die if it made CStat better.

While I do agree with your overall assessment of A&M in the past that doesn’t necessarily correlate to today. Since Sharp has to over the helm not only Tarleton but TAMUCommerce, WT, Prairie View, & TAMUCC have all gotten substantial upgrades. Only TAMUK has been left out in the cold and that could be because they nixed the merger. Tarleton is growing faster than the others so my take is invest where you are seeing the results.

As far as the UT system I see nothing in common with SFA. The UT system is primarily an urban based university system.

My guess is A&M or Tech would be the better fit. A&M has better access to the purse strings but Tech is more hands off so there is positives for the schools in their current system.

maybe the thinking is different now, but A&M has a long history of pimping over their other system schools. when UTA became larger than A&M back in the 60's the aggie leaders blocked every attempt UTA made to add degree programs and graduate level stuff. that led to UTA leaving and joining the UT system. the UT system immediately ok'd the creation of grad level programs and began spending money on facilities. while school leaders have always thought big on academics, they aim low with regards to athletics.

How the frack did Texas end up with four systems, anyway?

Since I find comedy with the U California system and the Cal State system and the effects of each on the Big West Conference, given one state’s willingness to not pimp a bureaucracy versus the other, you guys do offer some head-scratchers deep in the heart there.

(11-27-2022 11:57 PM)Pounder Wrote:  How the frack did Texas end up with four systems, anyway?

Since I find comedy with the U California system and the Cal State system and the effects of each on the Big West Conference, given one state’s willingness to not pimp a bureaucracy versus the other, you guys do offer some head-scratchers deep in the heart there.

Technically there are six.

North Texas, UH, Tech, UT, A&M, TSUS

(11-28-2022 01:15 AM)SammyH Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:57 PM)Pounder Wrote:  How the frack did Texas end up with four systems, anyway?

Since I find comedy with the U California system and the Cal State system and the effects of each on the Big West Conference, given one state’s willingness to not pimp a bureaucracy versus the other, you guys do offer some head-scratchers deep in the heart there.

Technically there are six.

North Texas, UH, Tech, UT, A&M, TSUS

7. Texas Women's is now a system with 3 campuses.

Regents have officially voted in favor of affiliating with the UT system. Now it goes to TXLege.

How the frack indeed! It's all about the overriding mineral interest royalty that the State (formerly Republic) of Texas owns. While the rest of the US has public lands and minerals that belong to the USA, Texas owns its own public lands. 150 years ago those semi-desolate public acres probably did not seem to be worth much, but the 1/16th royalties have allowed Texas to spend a lot, including on colleges. Somebody else can give a more detailed account, but this is the gist of it.

UT offered nearly 5X more money than the next closest offer, A&M, who was head & shoulders above the other two system offers. Would have been uber dumb for SFA to pass that up, particuarly at this juncture. No doubt UT will get SFA's facilities FBS ready, and pronto! Congrats to SFA!

TXLege?? Can someone explain for the non-Texans?

(11-29-2022 10:35 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  TXLege?? Can someone explain for the non-Texans?

Shorthand for the Texas Legislature. While most states(especially those who meet for 6 months every 2 years) might sometimes forget they even have a legislature, Texas is graced by a legislature so up to shenanigans that you need a quick & easy way to tweet about it on the reg.

(11-29-2022 09:43 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  UT offered nearly 5X more money than the next closest offer, A&M, who was head & shoulders above the other two system offers. Would have been uber dumb for SFA to pass that up, particuarly at this juncture. No doubt UT will get SFA's facilities FBS ready, and pronto! Congrats to SFA!

Well ****, you said it not me!

Add SFA to the list of schools that will be FBS before Tarleton! Congratulations Lumberjacks.

Serious. Early welcome to SFA as you will soon join FBS AND C-USA. By 2026 or sooner.