(10-13-2022 03:00 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Death penalty or life in a dark hole. Makes no difference to me. Save the state some money in the process and call it a win.

The problem lies in that it costs more to execute someone than putting them in prison for life due to the system. In cases where it we have irrefutable evidence like this?.. That person should never see a jail cell after the verdict is announced. They should go straight to execution within minutes. None of this nonsensical multiple appeals over 20 years.... Straight death on the day they are sentenced to death.

(10-13-2022 07:42 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I've evolved to be against the death penalty.

However, if you have a death penalty, THIS case is the kind of one where it should have been applied. One activist stopped it.

Im fully on board with the death penalty in cases like this. Putting this man in prison is actually re-victimizing those hurt by him by making them fund his life in prison.

(10-14-2022 11:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-13-2022 03:00 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Death penalty or life in a dark hole. Makes no difference to me. Save the state some money in the process and call it a win.

The problem lies in that it costs more to execute someone than putting them in prison for life due to the system. In cases where it we have irrefutable evidence like this?.. That person should never see a jail cell after the verdict is announced. They should go straight to execution within minutes. None of this nonsensical multiple appeals over 20 years.... Straight death on the day they are sentenced to death.

That's the problem because who gets to decide that part of it? Some people and that includes some on this board and others I used to post on believe why wait for the conviction....its clear to them the person is guilty and needs to be killed today. I'm not talking clear cut like this one.

(10-14-2022 12:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 11:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-13-2022 03:00 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Death penalty or life in a dark hole. Makes no difference to me. Save the state some money in the process and call it a win.

The problem lies in that it costs more to execute someone than putting them in prison for life due to the system. In cases where it we have irrefutable evidence like this?.. That person should never see a jail cell after the verdict is announced. They should go straight to execution within minutes. None of this nonsensical multiple appeals over 20 years.... Straight death on the day they are sentenced to death.

That's the problem because who gets to decide that part of it? Some people and that includes some on this board and others I used to post on believe why wait for the conviction....its clear to them the person is guilty and needs to be killed today. I'm not talking clear cut like this one.

Everyone deserves a trial and the victims deserve justice. This is not justice. This is additionally victimizing those harmed. Im fine with a majority vote from the jury as to execution in these cases where the evidence is irrefutable. One "activist" should not be able to stop it after they all rendered a guilty verdict.

(10-14-2022 12:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 12:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 11:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-13-2022 03:00 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Death penalty or life in a dark hole. Makes no difference to me. Save the state some money in the process and call it a win.

The problem lies in that it costs more to execute someone than putting them in prison for life due to the system. In cases where it we have irrefutable evidence like this?.. That person should never see a jail cell after the verdict is announced. They should go straight to execution within minutes. None of this nonsensical multiple appeals over 20 years.... Straight death on the day they are sentenced to death.

That's the problem because who gets to decide that part of it? Some people and that includes some on this board and others I used to post on believe why wait for the conviction....its clear to them the person is guilty and needs to be killed today. I'm not talking clear cut like this one.

Everyone deserves a trial and the victims deserve justice. This is not justice. This is additionally victimizing those harmed. Im fine with a majority vote from the jury as to execution in these cases where the evidence is irrefutable. One "activist" should not be able to stop it after they all rendered a guilty verdict.

Even being anti death penalty I would have voted for death because I agreed to set aside my bias by answering that question. Its a question everyone is asked in these cases.

So I'm not disagreeing with what you think the outcome in this case should have been. I just have a problem on what is or isnt clear cut and who gets to make that decision. How swiftly you and some others are OK with carrying that out.

Is there a lot of difference when 27 children are killed by a DIU driver going the wrong way on the interstate than in a case like this? I'm not talking intention but in limiting DEATHS from the actions. Not one of those people will take in another breath of air no matter if they were shot or burned to death in a bus. So why death for one and Larry Mahoney, served only 10 years in prison for 27 deaths?

(10-14-2022 12:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 12:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 12:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 11:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-13-2022 03:00 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Death penalty or life in a dark hole. Makes no difference to me. Save the state some money in the process and call it a win.

The problem lies in that it costs more to execute someone than putting them in prison for life due to the system. In cases where it we have irrefutable evidence like this?.. That person should never see a jail cell after the verdict is announced. They should go straight to execution within minutes. None of this nonsensical multiple appeals over 20 years.... Straight death on the day they are sentenced to death.

That's the problem because who gets to decide that part of it? Some people and that includes some on this board and others I used to post on believe why wait for the conviction....its clear to them the person is guilty and needs to be killed today. I'm not talking clear cut like this one.

Everyone deserves a trial and the victims deserve justice. This is not justice. This is additionally victimizing those harmed. Im fine with a majority vote from the jury as to execution in these cases where the evidence is irrefutable. One "activist" should not be able to stop it after they all rendered a guilty verdict.

Even being anti death penalty I would have voted for death because I agreed to set aside my bias by answering that question. Its a question everyone is asked in these cases.

So I'm not disagreeing with what you think the outcome in this case should have been. I just have a problem on what is or isnt clear cut and who gets to make that decision. How swiftly you and some others are OK with carrying that out.

Is there a lot of difference when 27 children are killed by a DIU driver going the wrong way on the interstate than in a case like this? I'm not talking intention but in limiting DEATHS from the actions. Not one of those people will take in another breath of air no matter if they were shot or burned to death in a bus. So why death for one and Larry Mahoney, served only 10 years in prison for 27 deaths?

I can only state my feelings on it. Im sure others feel differently and I respect that. I think there is a stark difference in the DUI case in which the guy kills people without "intent" and the Parkland case where "intent" is crystal clear.

I do think the DUI driver should still be in prison however. Our system.. while probably as good as any other is still flawed to degrees. Im not sure it can ever be perfect.

It just drives me crazy to see someone commit clear..undisputed 1st degree murder and they be able to use the system to stay alive 20+ years until execution or be put away for life without parole...wasting taxpayer dollars and the use of a good cell in the process. That person should be executed without any delay the second the sentence is handed down. For clarity...Im only talking about cases in which there is NO shadow of doubt the accused committed the crime...like the Parkland case. Others need the proper appeal process to insure we make no mistakes.

(10-14-2022 02:31 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 12:46 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 12:15 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 12:04 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-14-2022 11:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The problem lies in that it costs more to execute someone than putting them in prison for life due to the system. In cases where it we have irrefutable evidence like this?.. That person should never see a jail cell after the verdict is announced. They should go straight to execution within minutes. None of this nonsensical multiple appeals over 20 years.... Straight death on the day they are sentenced to death.

That's the problem because who gets to decide that part of it? Some people and that includes some on this board and others I used to post on believe why wait for the conviction....its clear to them the person is guilty and needs to be killed today. I'm not talking clear cut like this one.

Everyone deserves a trial and the victims deserve justice. This is not justice. This is additionally victimizing those harmed. Im fine with a majority vote from the jury as to execution in these cases where the evidence is irrefutable. One "activist" should not be able to stop it after they all rendered a guilty verdict.

Even being anti death penalty I would have voted for death because I agreed to set aside my bias by answering that question. Its a question everyone is asked in these cases.

So I'm not disagreeing with what you think the outcome in this case should have been. I just have a problem on what is or isnt clear cut and who gets to make that decision. How swiftly you and some others are OK with carrying that out.

Is there a lot of difference when 27 children are killed by a DIU driver going the wrong way on the interstate than in a case like this? I'm not talking intention but in limiting DEATHS from the actions. Not one of those people will take in another breath of air no matter if they were shot or burned to death in a bus. So why death for one and Larry Mahoney, served only 10 years in prison for 27 deaths?

I can only state my feelings on it. Im sure others feel differently and I respect that. I think there is a stark difference in the DUI case in which the guy kills people without "intent" and the Parkland case where "intent" is crystal clear.

I do think the DUI driver should still be in prison however. Our system.. while probably as good as any other is still flawed to degrees. Im not sure it can ever be perfect.

It just drives me crazy to see someone commit clear..undisputed 1st degree murder and they be able to use the system to stay alive 20+ years until execution or be put away for life without parole...wasting taxpayer dollars and the use of a good cell in the process. That person should be executed without any delay the second the sentence is handed down. For clarity...Im only talking about cases in which there is NO shadow of doubt the accused committed the crime...like the Parkland case. Others need the proper appeal process to insure we make no mistakes.

I'm just going to end in on my part by saying dead people are dead no matter if by a bullet or a 3,500 pound truck driven by a person drunk. Its not changing the outcome for those that died or their families. Both ended that way by a criminal choice made by both people. Neither were a accident and both very clearly undisputed on who caused the deaths.