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(11-22-2022 02:50 PM)whupemall Wrote:  
(11-21-2022 07:28 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  C-USA media deal. What bearing does it have on expansion?

IMO--- NONE. Neutral. Not a big help--not a hindrance.

Things could get better in the future since the deal is only five years and any new team (11th or 12th) would not join for another 3-5 years anyway.

** IMO-- OTHER factors will outweigh the media deal.

I agree with your main point, especially if CUSA plans to hold at 10 for another few years before expanding.

But I will add one thing: The media deal itself may not help nor hinder, but having one signed and in hand is FAR better than being at the negotiating table after losing 9 member schools in a year and replacing them with (primarily) FCS teams.

It was the *uncertainty* of not having a deal which may have driven some schools away.

(And before then, the uncertainty of the league's very survival. This is of course water under the bridge, after the addition of Liberty, NMSU, SHSU, and JSU.)

Maaybbee... the uncertainty drove one or two away.

I still maintain there is nothing "super" about the new deal that would get a school "off the fence".

Again--at this point-- because of the MONEY (see my earlier TWO posts) and the lack of an A+ candidate-- IMO we stay at ten.

--- gives you a chance to see events play out (dominoes, committee, etc.)

--- allows time for new fcs adds to adjust

--- gives time for new or "wavering" candidates to be evaluated

--- some prospects are not going ANYWHERE anyway

There are SO many good reasons to WAIT! IMO it would take an A/A+ school to force C-USA's hand.
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The FCS playoffs are currently in progress... so I did a little research comparing possible fcs school choices.

Three criteria: (If you don't like these-- simply choose your own)

1.) Performance and winning are crucial-- so only FCS playoff wins are included.

2.) The phrase-- "What have you done for me lately?" is important-- so this only includes 2015-2021. Stiil-- seven years ago is almost too long. I do refer to the latest playoff win though-- no matter the date.

3.) I'll leave out schools NOT in this region of the country or who IMO have no chance at this time-- again JMHO.

First look at the NEW MEMBER ADDS to C-USA for comparison sake (2015-2021-total playoff wins).

SHSU-- 11

JSU---- 5

KSU--- 5

PROSPECT GROUP (2015-2021- total playoff wins)

Chattanooga---2

AP--------------- 2

UCA--------------- 1

SFA----------------0 (last-2009)

NC A&T------------0 (last-1999)

EKU----------------0 (last-1994)

Missouri St.--------0 (last-1989)

As you can see NO ONE stands out. These statistics did not really reveal anything. FAIL.

EXCEPT-- you CAN see a big gap between the new adds and the future prospects on this stat.
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Always go Gardner Webb, they are undefeated in playoff games.
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(11-29-2022 07:33 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Always go Gardner Webb, they are undefeated in playoff games.
If EKU tried to win as much as they try to join a bowl subdivision conference, maybe they’d have semis appearance or two since their last one, which happened during The Great Depression. Not even John Grass would go on an 8 game playoff losing streak
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(11-29-2022 07:33 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Always go Gardner Webb, they are undefeated in playoff games.

They’re pretty good this year. Liberty had to come from behind to beat the Bulldogs by 1 last month before the Flames beat BYU & Arkansas.
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(11-29-2022 12:43 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The FCS playoffs are currently in progress... so I did a little research comparing possible fcs school choices.

Excellent work, TOPSTRAIGHT...

The only school I'd add to your list would be Delaware. I don't know how legitimate they are as a prospect (not really in the footprint, etc.) but their name has come up a few times in expansion posts.

So here's the prospect list including the Blue Hens:

PROSPECT GROUP (2015-2021- total playoff wins)

Delaware------3 (next game, Saturday, 2 p.m. vs South Dakota St.)

Chattanooga---2

AP--------------- 2

UCA--------------- 1

SFA----------------0 (last-2009)

NC A&T------------0 (last-1999)

EKU----------------0 (last-1994)

Missouri St.--------0 (last-1989)
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Quote:If EKU tried to win as much as they try to join a bowl subdivision conference, maybe they’d have semis appearance or two since their last one, which happened during The Great Depression. Not even John Grass would go on an 8 game playoff losing streak

You're not entirely wrong. I often wonder what would have happened if Roy Kidd's successor, Danny Hope, had not gotten the job offer to go straight from EKU to the Big 10 (Purdue). He was a loyal guy, went out of his way to talk about how it wasn't a stepping stone job. And he was telling the truth. I don't think he would have left for anything of the jobs you can normally get straight out of FCS...but his mentor Joe Tiller wanted him to succeed, and he got the offer he couldn't refuse.

No one blamed him, and Purdue treated him like garbage. Coach Hope later returned to coach our offensive line AFTER being a head coach in the Big 10, and still attends nearly every home game despite living in Florida a lot of the time.

But when Purdue swooped in with that offer things were really starting to get rolling again. His last team steamrolled untouched through the OVC, and though they did lose in the first round of the playoffs, it was to the eventual national champion Richmond Spiders. At the time there were no seeds or buys in the FCS playoffs, and regionalism worked against us that year.

After him we brought in Wake Forest DC Dean Hood who did win a second straight OVC title with Coach Hopes players. Hood's teams were usually solid, often good, but never great. He had a policy of not wasting any recruiting resources on players with interest from FBS programs in the name of efficiency. Hope had frequently gone to battle with Sun Belt and MAC schools for players, and he sometimes won.

Hood is now the head coach at Murray State after spending time on the staff at UK.

Things have largely stagnated since. For a while you could say it was due to lack of resources, but that has changed. This is as all in as I've ever seen our administration on athletics, including football. In some places you're seeing the results, but it hasn't translated to top tier football...at least not yet. Our current staff has recruited well, but I think our defensive coaching staff just isn't getting the job done. We had one of the best passing offenses in FCS, but we couldn't stop anyone from scoring. I'm afraid we're about to lose four year QB starter Parker McKinney to the portal. Watch out for him where ever he ends up (or pursue him...he'll make you look good for it).

But I'm ultimately less concerned with the playoff losing streak than I am with how infrequently we've been there. If you get there often enough the momentum will snowball, and the wins will come. We need to visit more often.
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Austin Peay has been brought up a couple times when candidates from the ASUN have been mentioned. Usually it's followed by "Are they even interested in FBS?"

Well apparently they are:

https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/s...696103007/

https://twitter.com/collegead/status/159...XDo_vDkBFA

FWIW, they're on a 3-year plan, which puts them (along with SFA and Tarleton and heaven only knows who else) on the same approximate timetable as CUSA's next (probable??) expansion.

I'm not bringing Peay up as a top-tier candidate or anything. I'm just saying they're officially on the table now.

What a time to be alive.
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(12-02-2022 03:40 PM)whupemall Wrote:  Austin Peay has been brought up a couple times when candidates from the ASUN have been mentioned. Usually it's followed by "Are they even interested in FBS?"

Well apparently they are:

https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/s...696103007/

https://twitter.com/collegead/status/159...XDo_vDkBFA

FWIW, they're on a 3-year plan, which puts them (along with SFA and Tarleton and heaven only knows who else) on the same approximate timetable as CUSA's next (probable??) expansion.

I'm not bringing Peay up as a top-tier candidate or anything. I'm just saying they're officially on the table now.

What a time to be alive.

I know everyone agrees 10 is best but we can deal with 12 but I wonder if in discussions over the new tv contracts it was brought up the tv partners want 14-16 teams to fill up their streaming options. All the big conferences are doing it and it seems like some of the other G5 are doing so as well.

Like you said
-EKU
-SFA
-Tarleton
-Austin Peay
In five years would fit into that time frame.

My only other thoughts are Austin Peay and EKU being discussed as replacements in case Middle Tennessee and WKU move on or I wonder if the MAC has told Peay they would take them with WKU

I will say Peay has improved a lot since I was in college in the early 2000s. I remember when they didn’t even have scholarship football.
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And now... Austin Peay to the MAC. Rimshot
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Is Austin Peay really ready for FBS or they just see what KSU and JSU are doing and want to try to follow? They will need to get invited first.
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(12-03-2022 12:49 AM)jones682 Wrote:  Is Austin Peay really ready for FBS or they just see what KSU and JSU are doing and want to try to follow? They will need to get invited first.

AP-- Invited?, INVITED?? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING INVITE!!!04-chairshot
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(12-03-2022 12:49 AM)jones682 Wrote:  Is Austin Peay really ready for FBS or they just see what KSU and JSU are doing and want to try to follow? They will need to get invited first.
They’re copycats Jabari
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I guess we can forget about Jackson State now that Coach Prime is gone.
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(12-04-2022 07:03 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I guess we can forget about Jackson State now that Coach Prime is gone.

Will this bring back the poster who said Deion would never leave Jackson State?
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(12-04-2022 07:03 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I guess we can forget about Jackson State now that Coach Prime is gone.

Jackson State was never a realistic candidate, especially not based on a coach.
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(12-04-2022 08:51 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(12-04-2022 07:03 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  I guess we can forget about Jackson State now that Coach Prime is gone.

Will this bring back the poster who said Deion would never leave Jackson State?

Can’t wait to hear him call everyone stupid again for saying a team that was 9 times out of 10 a 6 win FCS team without Coach Prime is somehow good enough to play in a New Year 6 Bowl
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