(10-30-2022 01:39 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(10-29-2022 03:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-29-2022 02:56 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  If people don’t have the attention span to watch baseball, THEN DON’T WATCH! Nobody forcing you to watch!

I don't think it's just that.

What are y’all talking about?! There is a zero % chance that anyone remotely connected to MLB would ever say/think that people should tune out if they don’t like what they’re watching. Most of the changes we’re seeing right now are aimed at keeping and attracting fans!

they'd be better off adding cheerleaders in the extra innings than ghost runners. More people would watch and enjoy the extra frames.

(10-30-2022 07:28 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Seriously?! I doubt you need to take off your shoes to count how many games went even 15 this season. In any event, if people are that easily bored, no big loss.

exactly. And that's due to the extra inning rules. This year had 12 go 13 and only 2 went 14 and 15. Just like MLB wants.

Back in 2019 there were 37 that went 13 innings at least, 23 went 14, and 16 went at least 15 innings.

Stever: that’s ONE game per team! Can’t believe I’ve become “that guy”!

(10-30-2022 08:54 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Stever: that’s ONE game per team! Can’t believe I’ve become “that guy”!

endless extra innings during the regular season is a thing of the past I think. If it was going to come back, it would have been this year or next year(especially, no excuses for lockout or COVID delays).

Teams don't even want 12 inning games honestly. There were only 34 of those in 2022, compared to 59 in 2019 or 72 in 2018. That's a feature for MLB, not a bug.

Especially like I've said with the rules now in place for pitchers limiting teams to only 8 pitchers and 15 days for IL and the 5 option rule. Teams can't do an endless convoy restocking bullpens like they used to do. Used to be a 15 inning game, you'd see 2-3 guys swapped out easily. Not really able to do that now.

(10-30-2022 02:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 01:39 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(10-29-2022 03:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-29-2022 02:56 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  If people don’t have the attention span to watch baseball, THEN DON’T WATCH! Nobody forcing you to watch!

I don't think it's just that.

What are y’all talking about?! There is a zero % chance that anyone remotely connected to MLB would ever say/think that people should tune out if they don’t like what they’re watching. Most of the changes we’re seeing right now are aimed at keeping and attracting fans!

I agree with you. I think that's a lot to do with it for sure. But not just that- I think the pitching part as well. By not having the long extra innings, baseball can really limit the number of relievers like they want as well. Teams can't say we've got to have more than 8 due to extras.

No, it's EXACTLY that. Why do you think they want less relievers? MLB wants more scoring and shorter games, among other things, and reducing the number of relief pitchers is one fairly easy and obvious way to do that. Unfortunately, for various other reasons, offense and scoring are still trending down but there are other factors in play... *cough* ball tampering

(10-30-2022 05:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 05:04 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I just think baseball is WAY overthinking this! If they want to attract fans, they need to show fans a true representation of the sport. Leave gimmicky stuff to WWE type leagues.

It's just reality. New fans don't want to sit thru 18 inning slogs in regular season.

Nor do the players that have 162 regular season games.

(10-31-2022 11:43 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 05:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 05:04 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I just think baseball is WAY overthinking this! If they want to attract fans, they need to show fans a true representation of the sport. Leave gimmicky stuff to WWE type leagues.

It's just reality. New fans don't want to sit thru 18 inning slogs in regular season.

Nor do the players that have 162 regular season games.

Nor do teams that have 162 regular season games to manage. 18 inning slogs does no one any good in the regular season.

(10-31-2022 01:14 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  there are other factors in play... *cough* ball tampering

yeah, I hate it when Manfred starts playing with everyone else's balls....

(10-31-2022 01:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 11:43 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 05:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 05:04 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I just think baseball is WAY overthinking this! If they want to attract fans, they need to show fans a true representation of the sport. Leave gimmicky stuff to WWE type leagues.

It's just reality. New fans don't want to sit thru 18 inning slogs in regular season.

Nor do the players that have 162 regular season games.

Nor do teams that have 162 regular season games to manage. 18 inning slogs does no one any good in the regular season.

I agree with eric. The ghost-runners should start at first, not second, at least for the first three extras. Keep ghost-runners away from any and all playoff games. Allow an extra roster spot in playoffs for another reliever.

I’m TOTALLY opposed to “ghost runners”

(11-01-2022 04:11 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 01:45 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 11:43 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 05:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 05:04 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  I just think baseball is WAY overthinking this! If they want to attract fans, they need to show fans a true representation of the sport. Leave gimmicky stuff to WWE type leagues.

It's just reality. New fans don't want to sit thru 18 inning slogs in regular season.

Nor do the players that have 162 regular season games.

Nor do teams that have 162 regular season games to manage. 18 inning slogs does no one any good in the regular season.

I agree with eric. The ghost-runners should start at first, not second, at least for the first three extras. Keep ghost-runners away from any and all playoff games. Allow an extra roster spot in playoffs for another reliever.

they do get an extra reliever. It's called not having a 5th starter. We don't need more stupid ******* relievers.

So with WS over either Saturday or Sunday- here's the off season schedule for the next month or so.... Sort of compressed this year for sure.
Sun or Mon Eligible players become free agents
Nov 7-10 GM Meetings
Nov 10 or 11 5 pm free agents can sign, QO deadline, eligible minor leaguers can become free agents, options deadline, guys must be put back from 60 day IL onto 40 man roster deadline
Nov 15 Rule 5 decision deadline
Nov 18 tender/non tender deadline
Nov 20 or 21 QO acceptance deadline
Dec 4-7 Winter Meetings, with draft lottery, Rule 5 draft

How many players per team are R5 or non-tendered?

(11-03-2022 10:03 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  How many players per team are R5 or non-tendered?

really depends on the team honestly.

(11-03-2022 11:14 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-03-2022 10:03 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  How many players per team are R5 or non-tendered?

really depends on the team honestly.

On average? Assume payroll effects it

(11-03-2022 01:25 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

(11-03-2022 11:14 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-03-2022 10:03 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  How many players per team are R5 or non-tendered?

really depends on the team honestly.

On average? Assume payroll effects it

It really just depends on the situation. Not trying to be an ass, but it varies so much by year and everything- even same team year to year.

No prob, I was just looking for ballpark figure (pun kinda intended)

(11-03-2022 03:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-03-2022 01:25 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  

(11-03-2022 11:14 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-03-2022 10:03 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  How many players per team are R5 or non-tendered?

really depends on the team honestly.

On average? Assume payroll effects it

It really just depends on the situation. Not trying to be an ass, but it varies so much by year and everything- even same team year to year.

These are complex questions, and they only partially overlap, but they both hinge on a teams' talent pool and 40 man roster flexibility. In the case of the Rule 5 draft the direct (albeit imprecise) answer to your question is: very few. In recent years the entire draft involved maybe a dozen to 20 players total. Any team without a full 40 man roster can draft a player not on another team's 40 man. If a team has a really well regarded prospect, they'll want to move him up. But if their 40 man is full, they have to drop somebody off who then becomes eligible for the Rule 5 draft. In any given year, you never know who's gonna leave some holes in their 40 man, or what kind of talent will be available, but even a team's willingness to participate varies. It's complicated: Rule 5 draft picks have to go on your 26 man roster and to remove them you have to waive them, which makes them eligible for other teams to pick up. If they clear waivers, you still have to offer them back to their previous team and if they decline only then can you put him on a minor league roster. It's a lot of work and some gambling. The Rule 5 draft in 2019 was 11 players. 7 of 'em were returned to their previous teams, and three of THEM were traded back to the team that selected them in the Rule 5 draft. It's kind of nuts.

In the case of non-tendering, that usually boils down to an arbitration-eligible player they don't think will be worth his salary...*cough* Cody Bellinger but could happen because a team needs to open a spot on the 40 man (see R5 discussion above as an example). This is also, generally, not a very big number per team.

But this just adds detail to the point stever already made: It really depends. Some team's minor league depth can change a lot year to year. One year you've got a ton of talent and you make a lot of moves to protect a bunch of guys. The next, maybe you've traded or promoted a bunch of that talent and you don't have to worry about it. The next you leave a spot on your 40 man open and you go fishing in the Rule 5 draft.

Thanks for the thorough answer! I didn’t know the Rule 5 Draft was so small. I did know if a team picked a Rule 5 guy, they were basically stuck with him.

It'll be interesting to see how hot the free agent market is this winter.

Jim Bowden did his top 25 with contract guesses:
Judge 8/330
deGrom 2/90 opt-out after 1
Verlander 3/135
Correa 10/327
Turner 8/264
Bogaerts 7/196
Rodon 5/144
Diaz 4/65
Swanson 6/154
Senga 3/72
Kershaw 1/20
Contreras 4/78
Eovaldi 4/90
Bassitt 4/74
Taillon 4/70
Nimmo 5/80
Benintendi 5/75
Abreu 2/34
Rizzo 3/54
Eflin 3/36
Conforto 2/34 opt out after 1
Jansen 2/34
Perez 2/24
Anderson 2/24
Bell 3/39