(10-10-2022 11:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:45 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  From the offices of My Choice My body...........

Getting the vaccine should have been a choice from day 1. If your point is that more people died who did not get the shot, that was their choice.

Piss up a rope.

You're right, it is absolutely your choice (assuming you don't spread the disease to other people, killing them too, which of course has never been a priority for Republicans)

You're not free to ignore the consequences though. Turns out all the fake news wasn't so fake after all, and it might help hand the country over to Democrats in the process.

So thank you, for owning the libs for so long. Looks like something good will come from Republican incompetence

Which lie is which? All throughout 2020-2021, the most effected community from COVID were "People of Color," now it's Trump voters?

How do you square those beliefs at the same time?

(10-10-2022 12:00 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:45 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  From the offices of My Choice My body...........

Getting the vaccine should have been a choice from day 1. If your point is that more people died who did not get the shot, that was their choice.

Piss up a rope.

You're right, it is absolutely your choice (assuming you don't spread the disease to other people, killing them too, which of course has never been a priority for Republicans)

You're not free to ignore the consequences though. Turns out all the fake news wasn't so fake after all, and it might help hand the country over to Democrats in the process.

So thank you, for owning the libs for so long. Looks like something good will come from Republican incompetence

"Owning the libs"? You are an idiot - it is about your own personal freedoms.

Whether the Vax reduced the symptoms or killed you (or anywhere in between) it is still a choice.

In simplest terms - You support reproductive rights; therefore, you should also support Vaccine rights. it is not apples and oranges.

Your bad faith arguments don't change the fact that 100's of thousands of Americans have died and Republicans actively made it worse. You say you were doing it to "defend personal freedoms" despite the fact that America has vaccinated for decades for every other possible disease. I say Republican leadership only saw the political advantages and this is the fruit of that labor. Cope with that however you may.

(10-10-2022 12:05 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:45 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  From the offices of My Choice My body...........

Getting the vaccine should have been a choice from day 1. If your point is that more people died who did not get the shot, that was their choice.

Piss up a rope.

You're right, it is absolutely your choice (assuming you don't spread the disease to other people, killing them too, which of course has never been a priority for Republicans)

You're not free to ignore the consequences though. Turns out all the fake news wasn't so fake after all, and it might help hand the country over to Democrats in the process.

So thank you, for owning the libs for so long. Looks like something good will come from Republican incompetence

Which lie is which? All throughout 2020-2021, the most effected community from COVID were "People of Color," now it's Trump voters?

How do you square those beliefs at the same time?

When you deliberately misunderstand or ignore what is actually going on, it shouldn't be surprising when you don't understand the immediate consequences.

To quote sHillary......."At this point, what difference does it make?"

(10-10-2022 12:07 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 12:05 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:45 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  From the offices of My Choice My body...........

Getting the vaccine should have been a choice from day 1. If your point is that more people died who did not get the shot, that was their choice.

Piss up a rope.

You're right, it is absolutely your choice (assuming you don't spread the disease to other people, killing them too, which of course has never been a priority for Republicans)

You're not free to ignore the consequences though. Turns out all the fake news wasn't so fake after all, and it might help hand the country over to Democrats in the process.

So thank you, for owning the libs for so long. Looks like something good will come from Republican incompetence

Which lie is which? All throughout 2020-2021, the most effected community from COVID were "People of Color," now it's Trump voters?

How do you square those beliefs at the same time?

When you deliberately misunderstand or ignore what is actually going on, it shouldn't be surprising when you don't understand the immediate consequences.

So more people are leaving the Democratic party across the country and your belief is that the GOP is losing voters. Again, you are pushing liberal backed articles with obvious partisan views. That study doesn't even prove anything. They're using 2017 voting records - you're an idiot.

(10-10-2022 11:18 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:10 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Flag on the play.

You DO realize who that source is, don't you? Journalist Glen Greenwald started The Intercept and lost control of it to the woke leftists he employed. While Greenwald is/was no leftist, he leaned left and probably voted dem most of his life. He is certainly not of the right.

This was intended as a hit job on the right, to energize the leftists. I seriously doubt their data but would love to see a study done on the subject with unbiased researchers. Of course, with all the censorship, hiding of the data, just not collecting the data, I doubt that a serious study could be done that would accurately answer the question of which side of the political aisle suffered more death - frankly, it really doesn't matter. You can't even find an accurate counting of covid deaths. Most importantly, there is no way to distinguish btw deaths FROM covid and deaths due to the jab, of which there are many.

The source for the data isn’t the same as who wrote the article about it.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30512

Was just about to link this, glad you found it first

(10-10-2022 11:13 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:10 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Flag on the play.

You DO realize who that source is, don't you? Journalist Glen Greenwald started The Intercept and lost control of it to the woke leftists he employed. While Greenwald is/was no leftist, he leaned left and probably voted dem most of his life. He is certainly not of the right.

This was intended as a hit job on the right, to energize the leftists. I seriously doubt their data but would love to see a study done on the subject with unbiased researchers. Of course, with all the censorship, hiding of the data, just not collecting the data, I doubt that a serious study could be done that would accurately answer the question of which side of the political aisle suffered more death - frankly, it really doesn't matter. You can't even find an accurate counting of covid deaths. Most importantly, there is no way to distinguish btw deaths FROM covid and deaths due to the jab, of which there are many.

With all due to respect, it doesn't matter to Kruciff because with all due respect to him, he probably doesn't care about that. (I could be wrong though. And in fairness to Kruciff, he and I go way back to our days posting on the C-USA board, but haven't spoke to each other in a few years due to periods on inactivity on my part.)

I invite you to review my reputation points (of which you have positively contributed in the past). After doing so, ask yourself, who has changed? Me? Or the politics?

(10-10-2022 12:24 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:13 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:10 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Flag on the play.

You DO realize who that source is, don't you? Journalist Glen Greenwald started The Intercept and lost control of it to the woke leftists he employed. While Greenwald is/was no leftist, he leaned left and probably voted dem most of his life. He is certainly not of the right.

This was intended as a hit job on the right, to energize the leftists. I seriously doubt their data but would love to see a study done on the subject with unbiased researchers. Of course, with all the censorship, hiding of the data, just not collecting the data, I doubt that a serious study could be done that would accurately answer the question of which side of the political aisle suffered more death - frankly, it really doesn't matter. You can't even find an accurate counting of covid deaths. Most importantly, there is no way to distinguish btw deaths FROM covid and deaths due to the jab, of which there are many.

With all due to respect, it doesn't matter to Kruciff because with all due respect to him, he probably doesn't care about that. (I could be wrong though. And in fairness to Kruciff, he and I go way back to our days posting on the C-USA board, but haven't spoke to each other in a few years due to periods on inactivity on my part.)

I invite you to review my reputation points (of which you have positively contributed in the past). After doing so, ask yourself, who has changed? Me? Or the politics?

I'd say neither, to be honest. And I'm still the same person. I just didn't start posting in the Spin Room until 2016.

They only tracked people from two states, Ohio and Florida... bahahahaha that "study" is as worthless as my $20 bill. LETS GO BRANDON!

(10-10-2022 10:56 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Link, paraphrased for brevity.

Quote: A new study has concluded what many Americans have long suspected: The Covid-19 pandemic has killed more Republicans than Democrats.

In a detailed examination of data from Ohio and Florida, the National Bureau of Economic Research has found that “political affiliation has emerged as a potential risk factor for COVID-19,” and that significantly more Republicans than Democrats have died from the virus since the introduction of vaccines in early 2021 to protect against the disease.

By cross-referencing voter registration data and mortality figures, the study found that “excess death rates” — the number of deaths above pre-pandemic levels — for registered Republicans were significantly higher than for registered Democrats after the introduction of Covid-19 vaccines.

The study found that death rates from Covid-19 were only slightly higher for Republicans than Democrats during the early days of the pandemic, before vaccines became available. But by the summer of 2021, a few months after vaccines were introduced, “the Republican excess death rate rose to nearly double that of Democrats, and this gap widened further in the winter of 2021.” The sudden increase in the gap between Republican and Democratic death rates “suggests that vaccine take-up likely played an important role,” the study found.

A central narrative of the Covid-19 pandemic in the United States has been Republican opposition to public health measures, particularly mandates to wear masks in public and vaccination requirements for employment and access to public places and public travel. That reflected a refusal by many conservatives, following the lead of former President Donald Trump, to take the pandemic seriously, choosing instead to treat Covid-19 as tantamount to the flu.

The study tracked 577,659 people who died in Ohio and Florida at age 25 or older between January 2018 and December 2021. It then linked those people to their 2017 Ohio and Florida voting records.

Between March 2020 and March 2021, excess death rates for Republicans in Ohio and Florida were 1.6 percentage points higher than for Democrats; but from April 2021 to December 2021 — after vaccines became widely available — the gap widened to 10.6 percentage points. The study found that the largest gaps in excess death rates between Republicans and Democrats came in Ohio and Florida counties with low vaccination rates. By using county-level vaccination rates in Ohio and Florida, “we find evidence that vaccination contributes to explaining differences in excess deaths by political party affiliation, even after controlling for location and age differences,” the study said.

I call BS

This is complete and utter bullsh*t.

However, why dont you post something about the percent of democrats who got monkeypox vs republicans.

Also, the number of democratic dogs who got anal monkeypox from their owners vs republicans and their dogs.

Can we wait for the final tally once all the I’ll effects of the vaccine have played through?

(10-10-2022 12:07 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 12:05 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:45 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  From the offices of My Choice My body...........

Getting the vaccine should have been a choice from day 1. If your point is that more people died who did not get the shot, that was their choice.

Piss up a rope.

You're right, it is absolutely your choice (assuming you don't spread the disease to other people, killing them too, which of course has never been a priority for Republicans)

You're not free to ignore the consequences though. Turns out all the fake news wasn't so fake after all, and it might help hand the country over to Democrats in the process.

So thank you, for owning the libs for so long. Looks like something good will come from Republican incompetence

Which lie is which? All throughout 2020-2021, the most effected community from COVID were "People of Color," now it's Trump voters?

How do you square those beliefs at the same time?

When you deliberately misunderstand or ignore what is actually going on, it shouldn't be surprising when you don't understand the immediate consequences.

I guess you should be jumping for joy…….less people to vote Republican.

Honestly, there has been so much biased “reporting”, I no longer choose to believe much of what is put forth as news.

liars gonna lie...

(10-10-2022 11:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  [quote='Eldonabe' pid='18504425' dateline='1S665420355']

You're right, it is absolutely your choice (assuming you don't spread the disease to other people, killing them too, which of course has never been a priority for Republicans)

So your argument is there is some social contract that spreading disease to others should be a priority that Republicans have ignored?

If so, please explain the rise of infectious diseases brought into this country from the invasion of illegal immigrants from Central America during a time when Democrats own the Presidency and both houses of Congress? Scabes, polio, TB, cholera, gonorrhea, etc. are spreading from illegals to the American citizenry. Not only are they not doing anything, on Day One of the Biden administration, Wall construction ceased. Republicans own none of this. Please enlighten me, Aristotle.

(10-10-2022 11:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:45 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  From the offices of My Choice My body...........

Getting the vaccine should have been a choice from day 1. If your point is that more people died who did not get the shot, that was their choice.

Piss up a rope.

You're right, it is absolutely your choice (assuming you don't spread the disease to other people, killing them too, which of course has never been a priority for Republicans)

You're not free to ignore the consequences though. Turns out all the fake news wasn't so fake after all, and it might help hand the country over to Democrats in the process.

So thank you, for owning the libs for so long. Looks like something good will come from Republican incompetence

So if the vax worked then why would someone die from it due to exposure to the unvaxxed? lol

Its like people asked all along, why do I need the vax for your vax to work? Are you just too stupid to realize that contradiction?

Of course Fauci and the CDC have long since admitted the vax does not stop transmission at all. So again whether others were vaxxed or not gave the vaccinated ZERO added protection.

You're just a bunch of lying totalitarian scumbags.

And you KNOW you're a lying totalitarian scumbag and you're proud of it.

(10-10-2022 09:02 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:50 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  [quote='Eldonabe' pid='18504425' dateline='1S665420355']

You're right, it is absolutely your choice (assuming you don't spread the disease to other people, killing them too, which of course has never been a priority for Republicans)

So your argument is there is some social contract that spreading disease to others should be a priority that Republicans have ignored?

If so, please explain the rise of infectious diseases brought into this country from the invasion of illegal immigrants from Central America during a time when Democrats own the Presidency and both houses of Congress? Scabes, polio, TB, cholera, gonorrhea, etc. are spreading from illegals to the American citizenry. Not only are they not doing anything, on Day One of the Biden administration, Wall construction ceased. Republicans own none of this. Please enlighten me, Aristotle.

As he always illustrates, he's not a critical thinker so that never occurred to him.

I have never believed anything I've heard regarding covid.

The numbers have obviously been inflated. For two years just about anyone who died was attributed to covid, so right there any "studies" about the dang thing are going to be false.

So for someone to come on here and say republicans/unvaxed have made the whole thing worse rings just has hollow as anything president FUBAR says. When someone who is an active member of congress or the ruling class in general dies from it, I'll take note.

(10-10-2022 12:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 12:24 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:13 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:10 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Flag on the play.

You DO realize who that source is, don't you? Journalist Glen Greenwald started The Intercept and lost control of it to the woke leftists he employed. While Greenwald is/was no leftist, he leaned left and probably voted dem most of his life. He is certainly not of the right.

This was intended as a hit job on the right, to energize the leftists. I seriously doubt their data but would love to see a study done on the subject with unbiased researchers. Of course, with all the censorship, hiding of the data, just not collecting the data, I doubt that a serious study could be done that would accurately answer the question of which side of the political aisle suffered more death - frankly, it really doesn't matter. You can't even find an accurate counting of covid deaths. Most importantly, there is no way to distinguish btw deaths FROM covid and deaths due to the jab, of which there are many.

With all due to respect, it doesn't matter to Kruciff because with all due respect to him, he probably doesn't care about that. (I could be wrong though. And in fairness to Kruciff, he and I go way back to our days posting on the C-USA board, but haven't spoke to each other in a few years due to periods on inactivity on my part.)

I invite you to review my reputation points (of which you have positively contributed in the past). After doing so, ask yourself, who has changed? Me? Or the politics?

I'd say neither, to be honest. And I'm still the same person. I just didn't start posting in the Spin Room until 2016.

I've interacted with a lot of people on this board, all over the website; Most everyone that frequents on this particular forum, here and elsewhere.

I would hope that your interactions with me, would lend you to believe that I think and operate pretty consistently everywhere else, then why not on this forum too? Said differently, If you can find yourself agreeing with me elsewhere in most cases, why is the Spin Room the exception? Beyond just "differences of opinion" there is an absolute ocean of difference between what I see as reality, and what many on this board see as reality, yourself included sometimes.

This COVID finding is just one more thing I have a track record of being absolutely dumbfounded and disgusted by the Republican response, and warned that this might happen in the future on numerous posts, but I don't think I need to refer you to any posts to remind of the sort of response that would get on this board, at that time.

(10-11-2022 09:39 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 12:49 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 12:24 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:13 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-10-2022 11:10 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Flag on the play.

You DO realize who that source is, don't you? Journalist Glen Greenwald started The Intercept and lost control of it to the woke leftists he employed. While Greenwald is/was no leftist, he leaned left and probably voted dem most of his life. He is certainly not of the right.

This was intended as a hit job on the right, to energize the leftists. I seriously doubt their data but would love to see a study done on the subject with unbiased researchers. Of course, with all the censorship, hiding of the data, just not collecting the data, I doubt that a serious study could be done that would accurately answer the question of which side of the political aisle suffered more death - frankly, it really doesn't matter. You can't even find an accurate counting of covid deaths. Most importantly, there is no way to distinguish btw deaths FROM covid and deaths due to the jab, of which there are many.

With all due to respect, it doesn't matter to Kruciff because with all due respect to him, he probably doesn't care about that. (I could be wrong though. And in fairness to Kruciff, he and I go way back to our days posting on the C-USA board, but haven't spoke to each other in a few years due to periods on inactivity on my part.)

I invite you to review my reputation points (of which you have positively contributed in the past). After doing so, ask yourself, who has changed? Me? Or the politics?

I'd say neither, to be honest. And I'm still the same person. I just didn't start posting in the Spin Room until 2016.

I've interacted with a lot of people on this board, all over the website; Most everyone that frequents on this particular forum, here and elsewhere.

I would hope that your interactions with me, would lend you to believe that I think and operate pretty consistently everywhere else, then why not on this forum too? Said differently, If you can find yourself agreeing with me elsewhere in most cases, why is the Spin Room the exception? Beyond just "differences of opinion" there is an absolute ocean of difference between what I see as reality, and what many on this board see as reality, yourself included sometimes.

This COVID finding is just one more thing I have a track record of being absolutely dumbfounded and disgusted by the Republican response, and warned that this might happen in the future on numerous posts, but I don't think I need to refer you to any posts to remind of the sort of response that would get on this board, at that time.

youre a good dude. just wrong a lot.