It's become pretty clear at this point that we need to replace Wise ASAP. Statistically he's among the worst six kickers in FBS, and that doesn't take into account how extraordinarily short his attempts have been. When taking into account the pathetically short distance of his attempts, he's probably the worst kicker in FBS and perhaps one of the worst kickers in the history of college football.

So the question is, what do we do? We could start pulling a random drunk student out of the stands to kick and get similar results. I think it's time to hold tryouts with the soccer team and hope for the best. It's hard to imagine any scenario where changing kickers could make things worse.

So far we've been fortunate to not need kicking. Eventually we will, and when we do, we will lose.

Coach said Cameron Wise will "win us a game with a kick that splits the uprights at some point this season" in his postgame interview with Riggert. I doubt anything changes unless we have a talented backup no one knows about. It's all mental at this point, if he can shake it off he's going to be fine. If anything, it may put us into more opportunities to go for it on 4th and short when near the red zone and with our offense, that may not be the worst thing honestly.

For this year the answer is go for it on 4th downs in the opponents territory. Nothing to lose. This team can’t make the post season and can let it all dangle every game.

Go get a competent FBS kicker in the offseason transfer portal.

(10-08-2022 11:07 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  We could start pulling a random drunk student out of the stands to kick and get similar results. I think it's time to hold tryouts with the soccer team and hope for the best.

Our FG unit is unquestionably weak right now. I think your take is overdramatic. If you've seen any of the kicking contest on timeouts you see what the average student out of the stand (drunk or not, i don't know) is capable of, and it's lucky to get 10 feet off the ground and go 10 yards. Wise has missed more FGs than he's made, but he's still a JMU guy. Wish him well and move on if you want but don't dog the guy over drunk students thinking the next person to walk through the bar could do better.

(10-08-2022 11:26 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 11:07 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  We could start pulling a random drunk student out of the stands to kick and get similar results. I think it's time to hold tryouts with the soccer team and hope for the best.

Our FG unit is unquestionably weak right now. I think your take is overdramatic. If you've seen any of the kicking contest on timeouts you see what the average student out of the stand (drunk or not, i don't know) is capable of, and it's lucky to get 10 feet off the ground and go 10 yards. Wise has missed more FGs than he's made, but he's still a JMU guy. Wish him well and move on if you want but don't dog the guy over drunk students thinking the next person to walk through the bar could do better.

My drunk student comment was obviously a bit of hyperbole, but I do believe that we could do better with a member of the soccer team. What we currently have is low-level high school kicking. Wise is effectively incapable of making anything longer than an extra point.

He's one of our own but at the end of the day, we are getting top 25 votes, deserved or not. He isn't one of the best 200 kickers in the country for all levels, maybe not even 300. We gotta fix that and soon.

Just do what we did at stAte, go get a five star and offer him a scholie. Most kickers have to earn scholies, we pulled the trigger after seeing one practice.

(10-08-2022 11:33 PM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  He isn't one of the best 200 kickers in the country for all levels, maybe not even 300. We gotta fix that and soon.

That's my point. I have nothing against the guy and I root for any Duke, but it's time for a change.

(10-08-2022 11:33 PM)asuato Wrote:  Just do what we did at stAte, go get a five star and offer him a scholie. Most kickers have to earn scholies, we pulled the trigger after seeing one practice.

Your kicker is solid. Good luck the rest of the way out.

(10-08-2022 11:40 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 11:33 PM)asuato Wrote:  Just do what we did at stAte, go get a five star and offer him a scholie. Most kickers have to earn scholies, we pulled the trigger after seeing one practice.

Your kicker is solid. Good luck the rest of the way out.

Yeah we got lucky with him. Hope we can keep him around. He is 9-9 so far on the season. What is scary about him is he makes 60 yard fgs all the time in practice, and he is only a freshman.

(10-08-2022 11:07 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  taking into account the pathetically short distance of his attempts, he's probably the worst kicker in FBS and perhaps one of the worst kickers in the history of college football.

Do you have any stats to back this up? Or are you just anonymously posting fake news about FBS all-time kicker stats? It sounds like he stole your gf out of Eagle Hall.

Said it somewhere else ...just stop swiping the ball...gotta connect and drive it forward....who is the backup if he can't be coached up?

Other kicking....it was really smart to start laying up KOs to the 20 / blocking guys...that really isolated their return stud who was winning the field position game in 1H

(10-08-2022 11:54 PM)TheDudeWithTheJMUTat Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 11:07 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  taking into account the pathetically short distance of his attempts, he's probably the worst kicker in FBS and perhaps one of the worst kickers in the history of college football.

Do you have any stats to back this up? Or are you just anonymously posting fake news about FBS all-time kicker stats? It sounds like he stole your gf out of Eagle Hall.

Not fake news, but admittedly qualitative since this stat doesn't seem to be officially tracked. That's why I said "perhaps". Happy to be proven wrong if you have data.

Cig saying the right thing. Cam surely can be better than he's been, he needs to get his confidence. Maybe he just doesn't have the right pregame rituals!

We are talking about a young amateur athlete here. He had to fill the shoes of one of the best which I am sure added to the pressure. We have seen superstars suffer from the yips. We have a great team and it is an unfortunate situation but I would rather see us rally around this young man. He did not get this position without having talent. Right now he needs support from his coaches, team and fans. Go Dukes, go Camden!!

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(10-09-2022 12:05 AM)dukes5 Wrote:  We are talking about a young amateur athlete here.

We are, and I'm sympathetic to the young man. But we're also talking about a professional coaching staff that needs to make decisions on when to make a change. My post is directed more at the coaching staff than the student athlete they're coaching.

(10-08-2022 11:43 PM)asuato Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 11:40 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 11:33 PM)asuato Wrote:  Just do what we did at stAte, go get a five star and offer him a scholie. Most kickers have to earn scholies, we pulled the trigger after seeing one practice.

Your kicker is solid. Good luck the rest of the way out.

Yeah we got lucky with him. Hope we can keep him around. He is 9-9 so far on the season. What is scary about him is he makes 60 yard fgs all the time in practice, and he is only a freshman.

Perhaps JMU can dangle some NIL money, in addition to a full scholarship, and get your kicker to think about his portal options.

Joking! (sort of).

Seriously, it is time JMU fixes its FG problem.

(10-08-2022 11:30 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 11:26 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 11:07 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  We could start pulling a random drunk student out of the stands to kick and get similar results. I think it's time to hold tryouts with the soccer team and hope for the best.

Our FG unit is unquestionably weak right now. I think your take is overdramatic. If you've seen any of the kicking contest on timeouts you see what the average student out of the stand (drunk or not, i don't know) is capable of, and it's lucky to get 10 feet off the ground and go 10 yards. Wise has missed more FGs than he's made, but he's still a JMU guy. Wish him well and move on if you want but don't dog the guy over drunk students thinking the next person to walk through the bar could do better.

My drunk student comment was obviously a bit of hyperbole, but I do believe that we could do better with a member of the soccer team. What we currently have is low-level high school kicking. Wise is effectively incapable of making anything longer than an extra point.

And when our hoops team struggles at the FT line I’m sure we can find some intramural superstar to step right in and do better. Bottom line is Wise is the best of what’s on the roster right now, and we can’t just trade for a kicker or dip into the free agency market this week. He’s 29 for 29 on extra points so to see him struggle on short range FGs is baffling. Coach could bury him, never kick a FG again or he’ll ease him back in and hope he gets on track; if coach were to publicly smash him in the media wouldn’t help matters. I know what path he’ll choose.

(10-09-2022 12:07 AM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 12:05 AM)dukes5 Wrote:  We are talking about a young amateur athlete here.

We are, and I'm sympathetic to the young man. But we're also talking about a professional coaching staff that needs to make decisions on when to make a change. My post is directed more at the coaching staff than the student athlete they're coaching.

Again, what is a legitimate solution for the “professional coaching staff” at this point in the season? They’re stuck with what they have on the roster, and I’m certain Wise has proven in practice to be better than the backups. Problem with college specialists is they are usually ostracized from the rest of the team to work on their own. Special Teams coaches will coach up schemes etc. but rarely will one be a kicking expert that can give them the time and attention any other position coach can afford. Centaio goes into a slump he’ll have Sunseri working exclusively with him as well as Shanahan and Cignetti. A kicker slumps and he’s off to the side to work on things and hopes it translates back on the field when it counts.

(10-09-2022 12:03 AM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 11:54 PM)TheDudeWithTheJMUTat Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 11:07 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  taking into account the pathetically short distance of his attempts, he's probably the worst kicker in FBS and perhaps one of the worst kickers in the history of college football.

Do you have any stats to back this up? Or are you just anonymously posting fake news about FBS all-time kicker stats? It sounds like he stole your gf out of Eagle Hall.

Not fake news, but admittedly qualitative since this stat doesn't seem to be officially tracked. That's why I said "perhaps". Happy to be proven wrong if you have data.

Ahhh, the ole “I’m going to make a ludicrous statement and then ask the other person for statistics when they call me out for said statement.”

(10-08-2022 11:24 PM)CarRamrod Wrote:  Coach said Cameron Wise will "win us a game with a kick that splits the uprights at some point this season" in his postgame interview with Riggert. I doubt anything changes unless we have a talented backup no one knows about. It's all mental at this point, if he can shake it off he's going to be fine. If anything, it may put us into more opportunities to go for it on 4th and short when near the red zone and with our offense, that may not be the worst thing honestly.

If you think our kicker is bad, you should see what is going on at EZU. Their kicker has lost two or three games for them this season, including missing several PATs and chip shot FGs.