This idea of stability doesn't make sense in regards to conference realignment. The size of the conference doesn't determine how stable a conference is. The football Big East was at 8 members and it completely disappeared. The FBS WAC was at 16 members and it also disappeared. CUSA 3.0 had 14 members and it almost disappeared. the PAC was up to 1214, will be at 1012 and now people are talking about it disappearing. The Big 12 had twelve, then went to ten, will possibly be at 14 and then will be back to 12 again. It's clear the number doesn't really matter when it comes to conference size.

CUSA has no reason to expand for stability. If CUSA loses members, KSU or any other candidate will still be there to take. There is no need to do it now unless it significantly increases the media payout so that every member gets an increase. Otherwise why are we splitting up conference revenue even more?

(10-08-2022 09:41 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 07:59 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  That actually makes sense if you add Tarleton State and Eastern Kentucky. You'd end up with a geographically tight East division, and only FIU on an island.

East:
Kennesaw State
Liberty
Eastern Kentucky
Western Kentucky
Jacksonville State
Middle Tennessee State

West:
Sam Houston State
Tarleton State
Louisiana Tech
Texas at El Paso
New Mexico State
Florida International

Would TAMU-Tarleton be a better choice than Stephen F. Austin? That seems debatable.

Not a fan at all of Judy bringing in EKU. It may help the Colonels considering the OVC’s survival issues, but talk about a program with a low ceiling. See no scenario where a school in Richmond, Kentucky would be anything other than a football bottom-feeder in the current iteration of C-USA

Also, FIU to the C-USA West = Mizzou to the SEC East

#StepchildTreatment

IIRC, Missouri is actually closer to the average SEC East school than it is to the average SEC West school because the East schools are further north on average.

I would almost argue that expanding at this time as a G5 in a precarious position for conference realignment could be harmful. If we decide to go ahead and take EKU, Tarleton, SFA, Delaware or any others, we risk creating a bigger geographic divide between members in the next round of realignment. We could have Delaware, Liberty, FIU, NMSU and UTEP on the outskirts of a conference while members on the inside move to other conferences.

Instead if we stay at 9 and lose members, the conference could focus on shifting the conference to a more geographically sound conference. But if we expand now, we may not have that option and travel costs will be a permanent concern.

(10-08-2022 10:22 AM)Poster Wrote:  IIRC, Missouri is actually closer to the average SEC East school than it is to the average SEC West school because the East schools are further north on average.

Correct. Basically if you flip Arkansas with Florida, the SEC would be North/South.

FIU is further east than WKU and MTSU, so there is no benefit like that to FIU by playing in C-USA West. The better alternative would be to add two more in Texas

FIU/Liberty
WKU/MTSU
Jacksonville State/Kennesaw State

NMSU/UTEP
Louisiana Tech/Tarleton State
Stephen F. Austin/Sam Houston

I suspect WKU and MTSU will want to maintain some ties to Florida for recruiting. The west will obviously be focused on Texas.

I have a hard time seeing McNeese State getting in over Tarleton State. Tarleton at least awards doctorates, McNeese does not. Tarleton is also a much larger institution and should have an easier time growing into a FBS program.

(10-08-2022 10:21 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  This idea of stability doesn't make sense in regards to conference realignment. The size of the conference doesn't determine how stable a conference is. The football Big East was at 8 members and it completely disappeared. The FBS WAC was at 16 members and it also disappeared. CUSA 3.0 had 14 members and it almost disappeared. the PAC was up to 14, will be at 12 and now people are talking about it disappearing. The Big 12 had twelve, then went to ten, will possibly be at 14 and then will be back to 12 again. It's clear the number doesn't really matter when it comes to conference size.

CUSA has no reason to expand for stability. If CUSA loses members, KSU or any other candidate will still be there to take. There is no need to do it now unless it significantly increases the media payout so that every member gets an increase. Otherwise why are we splitting up conference revenue even more?

The Pac has never had 14 members.

So my source was actually could be right, 2 months later. It looked like KSU to CUSA and New Haven to MEAC were wrong back when I posted it.

(10-08-2022 12:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So my source was actually could be right, 2 months later. It looked like KSU to CUSA and New Haven to MEAC were wrong back when I posted it.

2 months of hope, now looking bleak again.,

What an awful decision if true.

(10-08-2022 12:43 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So my source was actually could be right, 2 months later. It looked like KSU to CUSA and New Haven to MEAC were wrong back when I posted it.

2 months of hope, now looking bleak again.,

What an awful decision if true.

Yet you're a fan of the school that thought they were too high and mighty for ULM, now you're looking up at them wishing the SBC would take you.

No conference wants to be at 8 or 9 in 2022 unless they're the IVY or they can't find anyone

(10-08-2022 12:50 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:43 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So my source was actually could be right, 2 months later. It looked like KSU to CUSA and New Haven to MEAC were wrong back when I posted it.

2 months of hope, now looking bleak again.,

What an awful decision if true.

Yet you're a fan of the school that thought they were too high and mighty for ULM, now you're looking up at them wishing the SBC would take you.

No conference wants to be at 8 or 9 in 2022 unless they're the IVY or they can't find anyone

Easy there.

I don't want CUSA to add KSU, but they only have one fewer winning season at the FBS level than ULM. So there is no reason to drag the warhawks into anything.

It's stupid to expand from 9 to 10. It's just pure loss for no gain. This would be true regardless of who was being added from among the realistic options.

inutech must hate his own school since he is against expansion. If CUSA gets picked apart and nobody takes La. Tech? They might as will downgrade to FCS since some people are against expansion.

(10-08-2022 12:57 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:50 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:43 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So my source was actually could be right, 2 months later. It looked like KSU to CUSA and New Haven to MEAC were wrong back when I posted it.

2 months of hope, now looking bleak again.,

What an awful decision if true.

Yet you're a fan of the school that thought they were too high and mighty for ULM, now you're looking up at them wishing the SBC would take you.

No conference wants to be at 8 or 9 in 2022 unless they're the IVY or they can't find anyone

Easy there.

I don't want CUSA to add KSU, but they only have one fewer winning season at the FBS level than ULM. So there is no reason to drag the warhawks into anything.

It's stupid to expand from 9 to 10. It's just pure loss for no gain. This would be true regardless of who was being added from among the realistic options.

you complain about every possible add on here all the time, we get it you're too good for everyone new to or not yet in CUSA. News flash La Tech isn't Michigan, CUSA isn't the SEC, you're not going to land the top notch school, you're not going to stay at 9 either unless no one wants to join.

(10-07-2022 03:26 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  C-USA should be sent to FCS along with the MAC

They certainly do love adding crap.

(10-08-2022 01:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  inutech must hate his own school since he is against expansion. If CUSA gets picked apart and nobody takes La. Tech? They might as will downgrade to FCS since some people are against expansion.

Maybe he doesn't want to be associated with a team that's done nothing to earn a promotion to FBS?

(10-08-2022 12:50 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:43 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So my source was actually could be right, 2 months later. It looked like KSU to CUSA and New Haven to MEAC were wrong back when I posted it.

2 months of hope, now looking bleak again.,

What an awful decision if true.

Yet you're a fan of the school that thought they were too high and mighty for ULM, now you're looking up at them wishing the SBC would take you.

No conference wants to be at 8 or 9 in 2022 unless they're the IVY or they can't find anyone

By that logic, why not go to 20 teams? 50 teams?

(10-08-2022 01:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  inutech must hate his own school since he is against expansion. If CUSA gets picked apart and nobody takes La. Tech? They might as will downgrade to FCS since some people are against expansion.

This makes no sense.

You think the other 8 schools in CUSA will join new conferences? Tell you what, when another school leaves CUSA I will be in favor of expansion (as I've said all along).

(10-07-2022 03:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

They have to go to AAC eventually to join the other 3 Owls (Rice, Temple, FAU).

(10-07-2022 03:53 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(10-07-2022 03:47 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Solid pickup for Judy.

Who were the other candidates?

Solid pickup after the ACC, Big 10, SEC, Pac 12, Big 12, MWC, AAC, MAC, and SBC all said, “no thanks”. Solid pick up though…

Exactly.

(10-08-2022 01:02 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:57 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:50 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:43 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So my source was actually could be right, 2 months later. It looked like KSU to CUSA and New Haven to MEAC were wrong back when I posted it.

2 months of hope, now looking bleak again.,

What an awful decision if true.

Yet you're a fan of the school that thought they were too high and mighty for ULM, now you're looking up at them wishing the SBC would take you.

No conference wants to be at 8 or 9 in 2022 unless they're the IVY or they can't find anyone

Easy there.

I don't want CUSA to add KSU, but they only have one fewer winning season at the FBS level than ULM. So there is no reason to drag the warhawks into anything.

It's stupid to expand from 9 to 10. It's just pure loss for no gain. This would be true regardless of who was being added from among the realistic options.

you complain about every possible add on here all the time, we get it you're too good for everyone new to or not yet in CUSA. News flash La Tech isn't Michigan, CUSA isn't the SEC, you're not going to land the top notch school, you're not going to stay at 9 either unless no one wants to join.

My consistent stance has been that 9 teams is better than 10.

It's not about being too good (although none of the expansion options are any good). It's about cost benefit.

Don't take it so personally that I'd prefer CUSA stay at 9, I'm sorry if that (correct) opinion hurts your feelings.

Also, you didn't even mention that we also think we're better than all the teams leaving CUSA. How did you miss that?

(10-08-2022 01:05 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:50 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:43 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 12:36 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  So my source was actually could be right, 2 months later. It looked like KSU to CUSA and New Haven to MEAC were wrong back when I posted it.

2 months of hope, now looking bleak again.,

What an awful decision if true.

Yet you're a fan of the school that thought they were too high and mighty for ULM, now you're looking up at them wishing the SBC would take you.

No conference wants to be at 8 or 9 in 2022 unless they're the IVY or they can't find anyone

By that logic, why not go to 20 teams? 50 teams?

your "logic" isn't even relevant to what I said. You need enough for scheduling and programing which is usually 12 now but they can do it with 10. For some reason 14 seems to be the new number the lower conferences are going for.

Show me how what I said means going to 20 or 50. Idk that you gasp "by that logic"

(10-08-2022 01:04 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 01:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  inutech must hate his own school since he is against expansion. If CUSA gets picked apart and nobody takes La. Tech? They might as will downgrade to FCS since some people are against expansion.

Maybe he doesn't want to be associated with a team that's done nothing to earn a promotion to FBS?

He is also against teams that do earn promotion as well. As for Kennesaw State? They are winning big time in FCS with a winning record. Any add that C-USA adds now could be the next Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, Liberty or Georiga Southern.