(10-04-2022 08:34 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  That's the thing ... Satt got the commitments from what would be Louisville's BEST recruiting class in it's history (which I know isn't saying much, but there are some really good prospects in this group). So ... firing him could easily result in that class going *POOF*.

By and large, the fanbase is ready to make a change, recruiting class or not.

The annoying part of the fanbase thinks that Jeff Brohm should be the replacement.

The rest of the fanbase wants a coach who will field a good defense and not give it lip service (like Brohm and Petrino before him).

I'm sad to see the Satt tenure go the way it has. I was really hopeful that he could establish a program like he did at his alma mater Appalachian State. He announced some changes in how the staff will operate this week going forward. After this week, there's a BYE ... which could be a good time to make a change. If we lose at UVA this weekend, I think that could happen. If he wins, well, the Cards would be 3-3 ... I don't see a change happening then. But we have a stretch coming up that I think dooms him ....

Pitt
Wake
James Madison
@ Clemson
NC State
@ Kentucky

Even our "cupcake" is really no cupcake.

Anyway .... such is life.

Maybe give him 1 more year then?!?! I believe in giving coaches 4 years to teach at least one class to seniors and more if there on an upswing or are a play or 2 away each game (like Frank Beamer was in 1992 in his 6th year at 2-8-1)

I think it's funny some of y'all want Brohm after Purdue shelled out $6mil a year to keep him last time. How much are y'all going to pay $10mil? I assure you, you can get a better coach for that much.

Yeah, I don't see another win on that schedule after UVA...... Any more wins would be an upset. (ie a good win.) So there is that.

Oh and for the record, right now the only possible win I see on VT's future schedule is UVA also.

Florida State and Miami #2 and #3 in the ACC surprises me. I guess FSU's and Miami's slide has just been recent or I'm more used to them being better than around .600.

(10-04-2022 08:59 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Florida State and Miami #2 and #3 in the ACC surprises me. I guess FSU's and Miami's slide has just been recent or I'm more used to them being better than around .600.

Miami almost never has a bad recruiting class - which makes their inexplicable losses that much harder to explain.

(10-04-2022 08:57 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 08:34 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  That's the thing ... Satt got the commitments from what would be Louisville's BEST recruiting class in it's history (which I know isn't saying much, but there are some really good prospects in this group). So ... firing him could easily result in that class going *POOF*.

By and large, the fanbase is ready to make a change, recruiting class or not.

The annoying part of the fanbase thinks that Jeff Brohm should be the replacement.

The rest of the fanbase wants a coach who will field a good defense and not give it lip service (like Brohm and Petrino before him).

I'm sad to see the Satt tenure go the way it has. I was really hopeful that he could establish a program like he did at his alma mater Appalachian State. He announced some changes in how the staff will operate this week going forward. After this week, there's a BYE ... which could be a good time to make a change. If we lose at UVA this weekend, I think that could happen. If he wins, well, the Cards would be 3-3 ... I don't see a change happening then. But we have a stretch coming up that I think dooms him ....

Pitt
Wake
James Madison
@ Clemson
NC State
@ Kentucky

Even our "cupcake" is really no cupcake.

Anyway .... such is life.

Maybe give him 1 more year then?!?! I believe in giving coaches 4 years to teach at least one class to seniors and more if there on an upswing or are a play or 2 away each game (like Frank Beamer was in 1992 in his 6th year at 2-8-1)

I think it's funny some of y'all want Brohm after Purdue shelled out $6mil a year to keep him last time. How much are y'all going to pay $10mil? I assure you, you can get a better coach for that much.

Yeah, I don't see another win on that schedule after UVA...... Any more wins would be an upset. (ie a good win.) So there is that.

Oh and for the record, right now the only possible win I see on VT's future schedule is UVA also.

--- This is Satt's 4th season --- now, to be fair, the COVID year screwed up a normal 4 year window for sure. But you're right about giving a coach time to implement his system with his players. Frank Beamer is an excellent example. Hell, down the road from us in Lexington is another example of giving a coach time. But I'm not sure today's college football with unlimited transfers, NIL, and mega money is built for that kind of patience.

--- Believe me -- most of the fanbase isn't pining for Jeff Brohm. But those that are are LOUD and annoying.

--- I WISH our only win left on the season was our instate rival. Hearing them pop off about football is like fingernails on a chalkboard.

(10-04-2022 08:57 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 08:34 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  That's the thing ... Satt got the commitments from what would be Louisville's BEST recruiting class in it's history (which I know isn't saying much, but there are some really good prospects in this group). So ... firing him could easily result in that class going *POOF*.

By and large, the fanbase is ready to make a change, recruiting class or not.

The annoying part of the fanbase thinks that Jeff Brohm should be the replacement.

The rest of the fanbase wants a coach who will field a good defense and not give it lip service (like Brohm and Petrino before him).

I'm sad to see the Satt tenure go the way it has. I was really hopeful that he could establish a program like he did at his alma mater Appalachian State. He announced some changes in how the staff will operate this week going forward. After this week, there's a BYE ... which could be a good time to make a change. If we lose at UVA this weekend, I think that could happen. If he wins, well, the Cards would be 3-3 ... I don't see a change happening then. But we have a stretch coming up that I think dooms him ....

Pitt
Wake
James Madison
@ Clemson
NC State
@ Kentucky

Even our "cupcake" is really no cupcake.

Anyway .... such is life.

Maybe give him 1 more year then?!?! I believe in giving coaches 4 years to teach at least one class to seniors and more if there on an upswing or are a play or 2 away each game (like Frank Beamer was in 1992 in his 6th year at 2-8-1)

I think it's funny some of y'all want Brohm after Purdue shelled out $6mil a year to keep him last time. How much are y'all going to pay $10mil? I assure you, you can get a better coach for that much.

Yeah, I don't see another win on that schedule after UVA...... Any more wins would be an upset. (ie a good win.) So there is that.

Oh and for the record, right now the only possible win I see on VT's future schedule is UVA also.

I could be wrong but I believe He will get 1 more year unless the December signing period falters with next years incoming class. Then there is still time as there will be a merry go round of openings then

I think I’m a little more patient with coaches than most fans. I thought Satterfield was a good hire when it was made, a solid plan B when Jeff Brohm turned down the job. The loss to BC came as a surprise, BC has some good players with a bad or experienced O-line, perhaps the UL DL did not have the studs to exploit that weakness and BC was able to take advantage. I still think UL can and will play spoiler against the difficult schedule they have left.

(10-04-2022 08:59 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Florida State and Miami #2 and #3 in the ACC surprises me. I guess FSU's and Miami's slide has just been recent or I'm more used to them being better than around .600.

FSU is buoyed by the 2013-2016

13 - 8-0 and 14-0
14 - 8-0 and 12-1
15 - 6-2 and 10-3
16 - 5-3 and 10-3

Going back to the time FSU entered the league NC State and UVa were the only two programs that consistently gave them a game or beat them in upset. NC State was to FSU like what WF is to NC State - kryptonite.

But FSU could and did beat Clemson regularly. When Clemson leapfrogged everyone else in the league it not only slapped a single guaranteed loss on them - it opened them up to 2-3 losses given their propensity to not perform well against NC State and sometimes at WF.

(10-05-2022 09:53 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think I’m a little more patient with coaches than most fans. I thought Satterfield was a good hire when it was made, a solid plan B when Jeff Brohm turned down the job. The loss to BC came as a surprise, BC has some good players with a bad or experienced O-line, perhaps the UL DL did not have the studs to exploit that weakness and BC was able to take advantage. I still think UL can and will play spoiler against the difficult schedule they have left.

I knew Satterfield while in Boone and the App program. App has certain advantages within the Sun Belt and even within the State of NC and the Southeast that are difficult to replicate anywhere else.

App has a weather advantage as they are used to having all four seasons during a game. A trip to Boone is a novelty for the traveling team going to Boone - getting there can be odd to say the least no matter which way you come from - Tri-Cities, Hickory, Charlotte, or Winston. There is very little negative media scrutiny in Boone and App has no ingrained "enemy" within the State of NC like Louisville does with UK or GT does with UGa. Unlike VT, GT, or NC State, App is not STEM intensive. Unlike UVa, Duke, Emory, or Vandy, the ball player is not in class against kids with 780-800 SAT verbal scores. It takes a lot of work to get in trouble as a student in Boone as compared to Louisville.

Put another way, ASU is probably worth 2 more wins a year than Louisville - all things being equal. If you won at the 9-11 wins a year at ASU, you should win at 7-9 at Louisville.

IIRC Satterfield went to Boone from Hillsborough NC - essentially Chapel Hill/Orange County - another place that is not like Louisville in any socioeconomic way shape and form.

I expected better results for him but can't recall anything that is glaringly bad.

(10-05-2022 07:03 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 08:59 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Florida State and Miami #2 and #3 in the ACC surprises me. I guess FSU's and Miami's slide has just been recent or I'm more used to them being better than around .600.

Miami almost never has a bad recruiting class - which makes their inexplicable losses that much harder to explain.

Miami recruits talent.

Sometimes they recruit players.

Sometimes they get both but sometimes talent is not a real player.

Wake Forest exemplifies this using 3 star talent and when it's matched with a really good QB, most of the other deficiencies can be papered over.

12 13 and 14 doing pretty well.

Coach Satterfields buyout drops to $4.8 after the season. His first year was great but he has fizzled over the last 3. His teams have shown sparks of greatness but mostly have pulled defeat from the jaws of victory. Him & his teams have to lack desire. He should have made a change at DC & maybe things would have been different but you can’t put all of the blame on the defense, the offense has looked vanilla at times & has struggled to score in the red zone as well. They haven’t gotten it done during crunch time. Is that coaching or is that on Cunningham? This recruiting class (which includes the #1 RB) got the fan base back behind the coaching staff but the lack luster start has squelched that. Through all the bad calls the team endeared last season, it seems that coach Satt didn’t put up an argument about it until the final offensive play against BC this past weekend. The opposing coaches & the officials just walk all over him. The desire to win has been lacking.

(10-05-2022 09:53 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think I’m a little more patient with coaches than most fans. I thought Satterfield was a good hire when it was made, a solid plan B when Jeff Brohm turned down the job. The loss to BC came as a surprise, BC has some good players with a bad or experienced O-line, perhaps the UL DL did not have the studs to exploit that weakness and BC was able to take advantage. I still think UL can and will play spoiler against the difficult schedule they have left.

I would LOVE for Satt to win enough games on the back end of the schedule to warrant hanging on to him one more year. His studs will show up, and maybe this inconsistency can be fixed.

(10-05-2022 10:55 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 09:53 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think I’m a little more patient with coaches than most fans. I thought Satterfield was a good hire when it was made, a solid plan B when Jeff Brohm turned down the job. The loss to BC came as a surprise, BC has some good players with a bad or experienced O-line, perhaps the UL DL did not have the studs to exploit that weakness and BC was able to take advantage. I still think UL can and will play spoiler against the difficult schedule they have left.

I knew Satterfield while in Boone and the App program. App has certain advantages within the Sun Belt and even within the State of NC and the Southeast that are difficult to replicate anywhere else.

App has a weather advantage as they are used to having all four seasons during a game. A trip to Boone is a novelty for the traveling team going to Boone - getting there can be odd to say the least no matter which way you come from - Tri-Cities, Hickory, Charlotte, or Winston. There is very little negative media scrutiny in Boone and App has no ingrained "enemy" within the State of NC like Louisville does with UK or GT does with UGa. Unlike VT, GT, or NC State, App is not STEM intensive. Unlike UVa, Duke, Emory, or Vandy, the ball player is not in class against kids with 780-800 SAT verbal scores. It takes a lot of work to get in trouble as a student in Boone as compared to Louisville.

Put another way, ASU is probably worth 2 more wins a year than Louisville - all things being equal. If you won at the 9-11 wins a year at ASU, you should win at 7-9 at Louisville.

IIRC Satterfield went to Boone from Hillsborough NC - essentially Chapel Hill/Orange County - another place that is not like Louisville in any socioeconomic way shape and form.

I expected better results for him but can't recall anything that is glaringly bad.

What he built at App, taking them up a level to FBS, is impressive. I had hoped he could do that here. The task before him is a daunting one. But if he can win, I think he'll still be here. He's at an odd spot contract-wise. He'll either get the pink slip, or get an extension.

(10-05-2022 10:55 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 09:53 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think I’m a little more patient with coaches than most fans. I thought Satterfield was a good hire when it was made, a solid plan B when Jeff Brohm turned down the job. The loss to BC came as a surprise, BC has some good players with a bad or experienced O-line, perhaps the UL DL did not have the studs to exploit that weakness and BC was able to take advantage. I still think UL can and will play spoiler against the difficult schedule they have left.

I knew Satterfield while in Boone and the App program. App has certain advantages within the Sun Belt and even within the State of NC and the Southeast that are difficult to replicate anywhere else.

App has a weather advantage as they are used to having all four seasons during a game. A trip to Boone is a novelty for the traveling team going to Boone - getting there can be odd to say the least no matter which way you come from - Tri-Cities, Hickory, Charlotte, or Winston. There is very little negative media scrutiny in Boone and App has no ingrained "enemy" within the State of NC like Louisville does with UK or GT does with UGa. Unlike VT, GT, or NC State, App is not STEM intensive. Unlike UVa, Duke, Emory, or Vandy, the ball player is not in class against kids with 780-800 SAT verbal scores. It takes a lot of work to get in trouble as a student in Boone as compared to Louisville.

Put another way, ASU is probably worth 2 more wins a year than Louisville - all things being equal. If you won at the 9-11 wins a year at ASU, you should win at 7-9 at Louisville.

IIRC Satterfield went to Boone from Hillsborough NC - essentially Chapel Hill/Orange County - another place that is not like Louisville in any socioeconomic way shape and form.

I expected better results for him but can't recall anything that is glaringly bad.

The good people of Cullowee disagree.

(10-04-2022 08:59 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Florida State and Miami #2 and #3 in the ACC surprises me. I guess FSU's and Miami's slide has just been recent or I'm more used to them being better than around .600.

Over the past five seasons, Florida State's record was 26-33. In the five seasons before that they were 59-9. That's a pretty steep, and sudden, drop off.

(10-05-2022 08:15 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 10:55 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(10-05-2022 09:53 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think I’m a little more patient with coaches than most fans. I thought Satterfield was a good hire when it was made, a solid plan B when Jeff Brohm turned down the job. The loss to BC came as a surprise, BC has some good players with a bad or experienced O-line, perhaps the UL DL did not have the studs to exploit that weakness and BC was able to take advantage. I still think UL can and will play spoiler against the difficult schedule they have left.

I knew Satterfield while in Boone and the App program. App has certain advantages within the Sun Belt and even within the State of NC and the Southeast that are difficult to replicate anywhere else.

App has a weather advantage as they are used to having all four seasons during a game. A trip to Boone is a novelty for the traveling team going to Boone - getting there can be odd to say the least no matter which way you come from - Tri-Cities, Hickory, Charlotte, or Winston. There is very little negative media scrutiny in Boone and App has no ingrained "enemy" within the State of NC like Louisville does with UK or GT does with UGa. Unlike VT, GT, or NC State, App is not STEM intensive. Unlike UVa, Duke, Emory, or Vandy, the ball player is not in class against kids with 780-800 SAT verbal scores. It takes a lot of work to get in trouble as a student in Boone as compared to Louisville.

Put another way, ASU is probably worth 2 more wins a year than Louisville - all things being equal. If you won at the 9-11 wins a year at ASU, you should win at 7-9 at Louisville.

IIRC Satterfield went to Boone from Hillsborough NC - essentially Chapel Hill/Orange County - another place that is not like Louisville in any socioeconomic way shape and form.

I expected better results for him but can't recall anything that is glaringly bad.

The good people of Cullowee disagree.

The good people of Cullowhee would like to think that App State is their arch rival, but I'm afraid that ship has sailed. I would guess that many Mountaineer fans would like to replace the Catamounts with the Demon Deacons in that role.