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(10-01-2022 10:23 PM)Monarch Pride Wrote:  I wonder if Falwell Jr was watching tonight?

I don’t know. Was the pool boy involved?

I have not read this thread before posting this. ODU lost this game because they couldn’t contain LU RBs (0 & 1). They both had over 100 yards rushing. End of story.

I agree there was some bad officiating, including reviews (the LU play where the QB threw the ball backwards was correctly called on the field, but somehow was overturned on review that showed the ball landing two yards behind where he threw from).


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(10-02-2022 07:01 AM)DWING Wrote:  I have not read this thread before posting this. ODU lost this game because they couldn’t contain LU RBs (0 & 1). They both had over 100 yards rushing. End of story.

I agree there was some bad officiating, including reviews (the LU play where the QB threw the ball backwards was correctly called on the field, but somehow was overturned on review that showed the ball landing two yards behind where he threw from).


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You might have a better argument that the ODU backwards pass at the end was a bad call. I'm sure the refs notes the initial forward movement of Bennet's passing arm when making that call.
Excerpt from the NCAA rulebook:

"When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his hand or arm with the ball firmly in his control starts the forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or ball after forward movement begins and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player (A.R. 2-19-2-I)."

Secondly, couldn't believe the 4th and forever attempt. 5-6 minutes, two timeouts... Obviously no faith in the defense. It was almost like the coach was asking the score to look even worse.

(10-02-2022 07:24 AM)wunderdog Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 07:01 AM)DWING Wrote:  I have not read this thread before posting this. ODU lost this game because they couldn’t contain LU RBs (0 & 1). They both had over 100 yards rushing. End of story.

I agree there was some bad officiating, including reviews (the LU play where the QB threw the ball backwards was correctly called on the field, but somehow was overturned on review that showed the ball landing two yards behind where he threw from).


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You might have a better argument that the ODU backwards pass at the end was a bad call. I'm sure the refs notes the initial forward movement of Bennet's passing arm when making that call.
Excerpt from the NCAA rulebook:

"When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his hand or arm with the ball firmly in his control starts the forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or ball after forward movement begins and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player (A.R. 2-19-2-I)."

Secondly, couldn't believe the 4th and forever attempt. 5-6 minutes, two timeouts... Obviously no faith in the defense. It was almost like the coach was asking the score to look even worse.

I had a very good view of the play. IMO, the tackle, coming from behind the passer is what actually initiated the forward movement, not the passer. It was a fumble all night long.

(10-02-2022 07:34 AM)VB Monarch Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 07:24 AM)wunderdog Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 07:01 AM)DWING Wrote:  I have not read this thread before posting this. ODU lost this game because they couldn’t contain LU RBs (0 & 1). They both had over 100 yards rushing. End of story.

I agree there was some bad officiating, including reviews (the LU play where the QB threw the ball backwards was correctly called on the field, but somehow was overturned on review that showed the ball landing two yards behind where he threw from).


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You might have a better argument that the ODU backwards pass at the end was a bad call. I'm sure the refs notes the initial forward movement of Bennet's passing arm when making that call.
Excerpt from the NCAA rulebook:

"When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his hand or arm with the ball firmly in his control starts the forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or ball after forward movement begins and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player (A.R. 2-19-2-I)."

Secondly, couldn't believe the 4th and forever attempt. 5-6 minutes, two timeouts... Obviously no faith in the defense. It was almost like the coach was asking the score to look even worse.

I had a very good view of the play. IMO, the tackle, coming from behind the passer is what actually initiated the forward movement, not the passer. It was a fumble all night long.

The replay can be seen on ESPN+.

Ya. Despite any good will in an attempt to start a dialog you got to understand how coming to the opposing teams board with a thread about why they lost isn't a good look right? It comes across as patronizing.

(10-02-2022 07:49 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Ya. Despite any good will in an attempt to start a dialog you got to understand how coming to the opposing teams board with a thread about why they lost isn't a good look right? It comes across as patronizing.

Yes, there's a couple of folks from Liberty who have made this a habit. Having spent many many years watching college football and posting on forums, I've seen that opposing fans are always lurking. I never understand why an opposing fan would actually start a thread...

ODU's defense is the best it's ever been. Talk abut damning with faint praise.
All season long ODU has been unable to protect the flat, whether it be the other team's TE or running back. And, frankly, the opponent's ability to turn the corner and get upfield into a poor-tackling secondary should have been addressed by now. Maybe it has, but the players responsible for those areas get routinely sucked inside, losing position.
I don't know what Rahne's approach is toward those who commit stupid penalties -- offsides umpteen times -- but I hope there's something other than "Don't do it again."
To me, last night was a significant step backwards. Reminded me of some of the crap that drove me nuts with Wilder.
Please work on Wolff's fundamentals; kid has too good of an arm to make some of the ridiculously poor throws he makes. I think his footwork gets all screwed up sometimes. And get out the JUGS gun and give your WRs extra time catching hard-thrown balls. Throw the CBs in that drill, too.

(10-02-2022 07:24 AM)wunderdog Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 07:01 AM)DWING Wrote:  I have not read this thread before posting this. ODU lost this game because they couldn’t contain LU RBs (0 & 1). They both had over 100 yards rushing. End of story.

I agree there was some bad officiating, including reviews (the LU play where the QB threw the ball backwards was correctly called on the field, but somehow was overturned on review that showed the ball landing two yards behind where he threw from).


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You might have a better argument that the ODU backwards pass at the end was a bad call. I'm sure the refs notes the initial forward movement of Bennet's passing arm when making that call.
Excerpt from the NCAA rulebook:

"When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his hand or arm with the ball firmly in his control starts the forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or ball after forward movement begins and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player (A.R. 2-19-2-I)."

Secondly, couldn't believe the 4th and forever attempt. 5-6 minutes, two timeouts... Obviously no faith in the defense. It was almost like the coach was asking the score to look even worse.

That was clearly a backwards pass.

Any coach should be fired on the spot for punting on 4th down with 6 mins left and down 2 scores. You don't have enough possessions to punt.

(10-02-2022 08:04 AM)wunderdog Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 07:49 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Ya. Despite any good will in an attempt to start a dialog you got to understand how coming to the opposing teams board with a thread about why they lost isn't a good look right? It comes across as patronizing.

Yes, there's a couple of folks from Liberty who have made this a habit. Having spent many many years watching college football and posting on forums, I've seen that opposing fans are always lurking. I never understand why an opposing fan would actually start a thread...

I have to assume those that do also more than likely lack social awareness in real life, elderly and just don't understand social norms sometimes do extend to online, or younger and trying very hard to troll. Shrug.

Either way the topic will get discussed adnaseum by odu fans this week and it hasn't got out of hand yet.

I welcome different teams perspective NewTimes, but tread lightly and have a thick skin if you want to start a thread on the losing teams board hours after a loss telling them why they lost. I won't pull back on the leashes when the dogs bite back. At least for the first day or 2. :)

Regarding penalties, here's my complaint. Call the game evenly on both sides. Liberty didn't get called for holding all game (if my recollection is good) and there were plenty of times that they illegally held. The refs were honed in on ODU's mistakes especially on critical plays (Liberty fails to complete a third down from in their end zone or ODU converts a 4th and 22).

ODU needs more discipline, but Liberty got away with stuff that significantly benefited them. There were two holds that broke long runs for Liberty in the second half. How the refs missed those calls is beyond understanding.

(10-02-2022 08:23 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 08:04 AM)wunderdog Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 07:49 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Ya. Despite any good will in an attempt to start a dialog you got to understand how coming to the opposing teams board with a thread about why they lost isn't a good look right? It comes across as patronizing.

Yes, there's a couple of folks from Liberty who have made this a habit. Having spent many many years watching college football and posting on forums, I've seen that opposing fans are always lurking. I never understand why an opposing fan would actually start a thread...

I have to assume those that do also more than likely lack social awareness in real life, elderly and just don't understand social norms sometimes do extend to online, or younger and trying very hard to troll. Shrug.

Either way the topic will get discussed adnaseum by odu fans this week and it hasn't got out of hand yet.

I welcome different teams perspective NewTimes, but tread lightly and have a thick skin if you want to start a thread on the losing teams board hours after a loss telling them why they lost. I won't pull back on the leashes when the dogs bite back. At least for the first day or 2. :)

Hey, the only bone I have to pick with you guys is that you let them close the Raising Cane's. My boys love to surf and I have spent an inordinate amount of time at Virginia Beach, always necessitating a stop at ODU afterwards. Now we're stuck with having to go to that PX mall for the Cane's fix.

Just be consistent. If you are gonna call ticky tack fouls, call both sides. IF you are gonna let them play, let them play.

The offsides penalties cant be denied (except the first one where rahne was livid). But I hate that they weren't consistent on the backwards pass and they called us for holding but not when their OL throws our corner to the ground by his facemask directly leading to a long TD

(10-02-2022 08:30 AM)wunderdog Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 08:23 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 08:04 AM)wunderdog Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 07:49 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Ya. Despite any good will in an attempt to start a dialog you got to understand how coming to the opposing teams board with a thread about why they lost isn't a good look right? It comes across as patronizing.

Yes, there's a couple of folks from Liberty who have made this a habit. Having spent many many years watching college football and posting on forums, I've seen that opposing fans are always lurking. I never understand why an opposing fan would actually start a thread...

I have to assume those that do also more than likely lack social awareness in real life, elderly and just don't understand social norms sometimes do extend to online, or younger and trying very hard to troll. Shrug.

Either way the topic will get discussed adnaseum by odu fans this week and it hasn't got out of hand yet.

I welcome different teams perspective NewTimes, but tread lightly and have a thick skin if you want to start a thread on the losing teams board hours after a loss telling them why they lost. I won't pull back on the leashes when the dogs bite back. At least for the first day or 2. :)

Hey, the only bone I have to pick with you guys is that you let them close the Raising Cane's. My boys love to surf and I have spent an inordinate amount of time at Virginia Beach, always necessitating a stop at ODU afterwards. Now we're stuck with having to go to that PX mall for the Cane's fix.

There will be one in ghent.

(10-02-2022 08:30 AM)wunderdog Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 08:23 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 08:04 AM)wunderdog Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 07:49 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Ya. Despite any good will in an attempt to start a dialog you got to understand how coming to the opposing teams board with a thread about why they lost isn't a good look right? It comes across as patronizing.

Yes, there's a couple of folks from Liberty who have made this a habit. Having spent many many years watching college football and posting on forums, I've seen that opposing fans are always lurking. I never understand why an opposing fan would actually start a thread...

I have to assume those that do also more than likely lack social awareness in real life, elderly and just don't understand social norms sometimes do extend to online, or younger and trying very hard to troll. Shrug.

Either way the topic will get discussed adnaseum by odu fans this week and it hasn't got out of hand yet.

I welcome different teams perspective NewTimes, but tread lightly and have a thick skin if you want to start a thread on the losing teams board hours after a loss telling them why they lost. I won't pull back on the leashes when the dogs bite back. At least for the first day or 2. :)

Hey, the only bone I have to pick with you guys is that you let them close the Raising Cane's. My boys love to surf and I have spent an inordinate amount of time at Virginia Beach, always necessitating a stop at ODU afterwards. Now we're stuck with having to go to that PX mall for the Cane's fix.

Haha that wasn't directed at you. :)

I've been surfing for nearly 30 years now and that's awesome you got em on the water. Not much can compare to the feeling. Good job making the trip for them.

(10-02-2022 08:23 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 08:04 AM)wunderdog Wrote:  

(10-02-2022 07:49 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  Ya. Despite any good will in an attempt to start a dialog you got to understand how coming to the opposing teams board with a thread about why they lost isn't a good look right? It comes across as patronizing.

Yes, there's a couple of folks from Liberty who have made this a habit. Having spent many many years watching college football and posting on forums, I've seen that opposing fans are always lurking. I never understand why an opposing fan would actually start a thread...

I have to assume those that do also more than likely lack social awareness in real life, elderly and just don't understand social norms sometimes do extend to online, or younger and trying very hard to troll. Shrug.

Either way the topic will get discussed adnaseum by odu fans this week and it hasn't got out of hand yet.

I welcome different teams perspective NewTimes, but tread lightly and have a thick skin if you want to start a thread on the losing teams board hours after a loss telling them why they lost. I won't pull back on the leashes when the dogs bite back. At least for the first day or 2. :)

If LU had lost I would have written my observation from that perspective which I have done many times chastising LU. My only negative reps are from a LU fan who hated that I criticized LU and did not drink the flock cool-aid. Using the logic that posts are only from a member school fan and not from a fan from an opposing school seems limiting. Is protocol that one can only reply, and not make a post, if their school is being discussed acceptable? I get the renegade perspective that LU is. The "Liberty Way" is not my way but I can still enjoy their collegiate athletics. Which I do. I was the first board Mod of Liberty but chose to resign after the craziness of Falwell, Jr. Having a thick skin here is a cakewalk. Starting and owning a busines and being self employed is a thick skin challenge. Not posting on a sports BBS.

(10-02-2022 08:32 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Hey, the only bone I have to pick with you guys is that you let them close the Raising Cane's. My boys love to surf and I have spent an inordinate amount of time at Virginia Beach, always necessitating a stop at ODU afterwards. Now we're stuck with having to go to that PX mall for the Cane's fix.

There will be one in ghent.
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Very nice to know... A bit closer to the Portsmouth tunnel at least.
Hope you all's season continues in an upward trajectory. Better believe I'll be watching as you beat the Dukes.

We beat ourselves... Liberty switching to a run game and giving up on the pass was a good move...

I can't disagree with the business as part owner of a firm that employees hundreds. It's exhausting.

I'm in constructive feedback mode. Maybe we call the thread "Game perspective from Liberty fan." Vs "why odu lost". I like having you're point of view but when the wounds are fresh those 2 titles have very different impact and one puts the losing team into a state of anger before they even open it.

So then the reader is left to wonder if the poster is being genuine or simply wants to get a rise out of me?

Before and after the game we're all neighbors so prefer us to be neighborly and hope the feedback makes that easier to accomplish.

(10-02-2022 08:56 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  I can't disagree with the business as part owner of a firm that employees hundreds. It's exhausting.

I'm in constructive feedback mode. Maybe we call the thread "Game perspective from Libert fan." Vs "why odu lost". I like having you're point of view but when the wounds are fresh those 2 titles have very different impact and one puts the losing team into a state of anger before they even open it.

So then the reader is left to wonder of the poster is being genuine or simply wants to get a rise out of me?

Before and after the game we're all neighbors so prefer us to be neighborly and hope the feedback makes that easier to accomplish.

Your suggestion of a different title of the post is a very good point. A different title would have been better. I agree. I often times read posts here only and enjoy the banter. I realize a few are zealous and want their team to win.