(09-26-2022 09:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:49 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:37 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 07:30 AM)ModsPleaseHelp Wrote:  Well, if you haven’t noticed, Mike Norvell is 4-0 this season at FSU. He AINT coming back. Time to move on from that.

That has nothing to do with it. They've seen how Memphis football CAN be.

Norvell is a tough act to follow both on and off the field.

We are WINNING! Count your blessings. GO TIGERS GO!

I don't disagree. But I am not the missing 20k people. I am 4 season tickets with me and my wife begging 2 others to join us, and no takers. Not even our 3 grown children and my son's wife. And all 4 of them are alumni.

Ole Miss had the same problem on Saturday.

I saw this on Twitter. I will say, this was the second half for Ole Miss.

(09-26-2022 09:52 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 09:43 AM)EastMemphisTiger1 Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:16 PM)Keeper Wrote:  That is the only reason I can think of for his milk toast predictable play calling . There really are worse things than losing, cowardice among them.

You mean Tim Cramsey? Since he's the play caller

Good luck trying to explain that. Some people are literally incapable of understanding that the OC is the play-caller.

Cramsey is the play caller. It is different from when Norvell was here and he had total control of the O. CRS has mentioned this explicitly many times.

At the same time, Cramsey and CRS are consulting/agreeing in how to call the game. Especially coming out after half in the 3rd qtr. And that is the most concerning thing to me - other than the OL play. We seem very predictable in the 3rd qtr. It's been our worst scoring qtr - at a time where we should be putting teams away.

(09-26-2022 10:16 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 09:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:49 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:37 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  That has nothing to do with it. They've seen how Memphis football CAN be.

Norvell is a tough act to follow both on and off the field.

We are WINNING! Count your blessings. GO TIGERS GO!

I don't disagree. But I am not the missing 20k people. I am 4 season tickets with me and my wife begging 2 others to join us, and no takers. Not even our 3 grown children and my son's wife. And all 4 of them are alumni.

Ole Miss had the same problem on Saturday.

Wow. I must say, I'm surprised. I mean... they WERE playing Tulsa... an assumed win. And was that significantly before kick-off? I believe Ole Miss has a reputation of people staying at the tailgate longer and milling into the game sometime in the first quarter.

Look at the video. Play is happening on the field. I doubt all those end zone tix are the ones tailgating in the woods. I guess it was that darn UTK-Florida game.

(09-26-2022 10:43 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 10:16 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 09:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:49 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  Norvell is a tough act to follow both on and off the field.

We are WINNING! Count your blessings. GO TIGERS GO!

I don't disagree. But I am not the missing 20k people. I am 4 season tickets with me and my wife begging 2 others to join us, and no takers. Not even our 3 grown children and my son's wife. And all 4 of them are alumni.

Ole Miss had the same problem on Saturday.

Wow. I must say, I'm surprised. I mean... they WERE playing Tulsa... an assumed win. And was that significantly before kick-off? I believe Ole Miss has a reputation of people staying at the tailgate longer and milling into the game sometime in the first quarter.

Look at the video. Play is happening on the field. I doubt all those end zone tix are the ones tailgating in the woods. I guess it was that darn UTK-Florida game.

Maybe they are all still in line waiting to get their tickets scanned?

(09-26-2022 10:43 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 10:16 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 09:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:49 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  Norvell is a tough act to follow both on and off the field.

We are WINNING! Count your blessings. GO TIGERS GO!

I don't disagree. But I am not the missing 20k people. I am 4 season tickets with me and my wife begging 2 others to join us, and no takers. Not even our 3 grown children and my son's wife. And all 4 of them are alumni.

Ole Miss had the same problem on Saturday.

Wow. I must say, I'm surprised. I mean... they WERE playing Tulsa... an assumed win. And was that significantly before kick-off? I believe Ole Miss has a reputation of people staying at the tailgate longer and milling into the game sometime in the first quarter.

Look at the video. Play is happening on the field. I doubt all those end zone tix are the ones tailgating in the woods. I guess it was that darn UTK-Florida game.

Maybe they are all still in line waiting to get their tickets scanned?

(09-26-2022 10:32 AM)EastMemphisTiger1 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 09:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:49 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:37 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  That has nothing to do with it. They've seen how Memphis football CAN be.

Norvell is a tough act to follow both on and off the field.

We are WINNING! Count your blessings. GO TIGERS GO!

I don't disagree. But I am not the missing 20k people. I am 4 season tickets with me and my wife begging 2 others to join us, and no takers. Not even our 3 grown children and my son's wife. And all 4 of them are alumni.

Ole Miss had the same problem on Saturday.

I saw this on Twitter. I will say, this was the second half for Ole Miss.

Just checked. at halftime, it was 35-17, and Ole Miss had just scored 28 straight points in the 2nd Q. I could certainly see a bunch of students leaving the game at halftime to get back to the shade of the tent.

Also, notice the song playing is "Can't hold us"... not some nasty gansta rap.

(09-26-2022 10:51 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 10:32 AM)EastMemphisTiger1 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 09:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:49 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  Norvell is a tough act to follow both on and off the field.

We are WINNING! Count your blessings. GO TIGERS GO!

I don't disagree. But I am not the missing 20k people. I am 4 season tickets with me and my wife begging 2 others to join us, and no takers. Not even our 3 grown children and my son's wife. And all 4 of them are alumni.

Ole Miss had the same problem on Saturday.

I saw this on Twitter. I will say, this was the second half for Ole Miss.

Just checked. at halftime, it was 35-17, and Ole Miss had just scored 28 straight points in the 2nd Q. I could certainly see a bunch of students leaving the game at halftime to get back to the shade of the tent.

Also, notice the song playing is "Can't hold us"... not some nasty gansta rap.

So it's okay for other teams to have less than full attendance - as long as there's context given.
And some rap is okay, just not "nasty gansta" style.

(09-26-2022 11:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 10:51 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 10:32 AM)EastMemphisTiger1 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 09:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:49 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I don't disagree. But I am not the missing 20k people. I am 4 season tickets with me and my wife begging 2 others to join us, and no takers. Not even our 3 grown children and my son's wife. And all 4 of them are alumni.

Ole Miss had the same problem on Saturday.

I saw this on Twitter. I will say, this was the second half for Ole Miss.

Just checked. at halftime, it was 35-17, and Ole Miss had just scored 28 straight points in the 2nd Q. I could certainly see a bunch of students leaving the game at halftime to get back to the shade of the tent.

Also, notice the song playing is "Can't hold us"... not some nasty gansta rap.

So it's okay for other teams to have less than full attendance - as long as there's context given.
And some rap is okay, just not "nasty gansta" style.

No, and yes.

The thing about OM, The question is, did they have full attendance at the start of the game. People leaving at halftime is a different issue than people choosing not to buy tickets and attend at all. I don't condone either, but they are different.

And yes, I will not apologize for liking a mix of music at a reasonable volume level. Furthermore, I think people would like to hear the band more.

But I'm not everybody who wasn't there. Somebody needs to take a survey if they need conformation of the reasons people don't show up. Maybe not now. Maybe after the Houston game if this poor attendance continues.

BUt I'm tellin' ya. They may not like the answers they get.

(09-26-2022 10:16 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 09:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:49 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:37 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  That has nothing to do with it. They've seen how Memphis football CAN be.

Norvell is a tough act to follow both on and off the field.

We are WINNING! Count your blessings. GO TIGERS GO!

I don't disagree. But I am not the missing 20k people. I am 4 season tickets with me and my wife begging 2 others to join us, and no takers. Not even our 3 grown children and my son's wife. And all 4 of them are alumni.

Ole Miss had the same problem on Saturday.

Wow. I must say, I'm surprised. I mean... they WERE playing Tulsa... an assumed win. And was that significantly before kick-off? I believe Ole Miss has a reputation of people staying at the tailgate longer and milling into the game sometime in the first quarter.

The scoreboard says Tulsa TOP 22:41. Tulsa had the ball for 22 minutes before kickoff?

We had decent attendance for Arky State. UNT was a disappointment. 1-game is not a trend. But let's be real, Temple might not be much better - for some of the same reasons (not a rival, no visiting fans, other things happening during the day on Saturday, early start time).

Some big reasons this week were heat and no opponent sizzle. But the biggest reason is the same one facing all other programs - including those mighty SECs. That is the ease and comfort of staying home and watching the Tigers, along with a bunch of other games.

I've got 2 groups of seats. And I'm telling you the PA system is different depending on your seat. One group of seats at the goal line on the Tigers side, the volume is perfectly clear and at a good level. The other set of seats, high on the 40 of the visitors side, the PA is still fine - though not as clear. It would be great if it was equally balanced around - but it's not as big a problem as a few people here make it out to be.

As for carrying on a convo, I have no problems. I have to yell a bit and lean in to the convo, but it's fine. Because it's AT A FOOTBALL GAME. Maybe some complaining about sound, slow entry thru gates, parking, and traffic - are really longing for the good ole days of 15k in attendance when none of those things were an issue.

(09-26-2022 11:33 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  ...

As for carrying on a convo, I have no problems. I have to yell a bit and lean in to the convo, but it's fine. Because it's AT A FOOTBALL GAME. Maybe some complaining about sound, slow entry thru gates, parking, and traffic - are really longing for the good ole days of 15k in attendance when none of those things were an issue.

Oh HELL no. I think we (from the 80s, 90s, early 2000s) were all wanting to get to the point where it was difficult to get through the gates in a timely fashion because of crowd size, not because of incompetence. I want to ... this is a BIG one.. I want to have trouble talking to the person next to me because the crowd is so noisy, not because someone is trying to FORCE an atmosphere with loud unpleasant music.

(09-26-2022 08:44 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:16 PM)Keeper Wrote:  That is the only reason I can think of for his milk toast predictable play calling . There really are worse things than losing, cowardice among them.

Milk toast? Another winner.

That's one of my favorites!

I've never had Milk Toast. Is it any good?

(09-26-2022 11:21 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 10:51 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 10:32 AM)EastMemphisTiger1 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 09:54 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  Ole Miss had the same problem on Saturday.

I saw this on Twitter. I will say, this was the second half for Ole Miss.

Just checked. at halftime, it was 35-17, and Ole Miss had just scored 28 straight points in the 2nd Q. I could certainly see a bunch of students leaving the game at halftime to get back to the shade of the tent.

Also, notice the song playing is "Can't hold us"... not some nasty gansta rap.

So it's okay for other teams to have less than full attendance - as long as there's context given.
And some rap is okay, just not "nasty gansta" style.

No, and yes.

The thing about OM, The question is, did they have full attendance at the start of the game. People leaving at halftime is a different issue than people choosing not to buy tickets and attend at all. I don't condone either, but they are different.

And yes, I will not apologize for liking a mix of music at a reasonable volume level. Furthermore, I think people would like to hear the band more.

But I'm not everybody who wasn't there. Somebody needs to take a survey if they need conformation of the reasons people don't show up. Maybe not now. Maybe after the Houston game if this poor attendance continues.

BUt I'm tellin' ya. They may not like the answers they get.

Despite supposed speaker sound system upgrades, speakers are bad & volume is way too loud & distorted - Sec 105, 45yd line in the chairbacks home side,

(09-26-2022 12:44 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:21 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 10:51 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 10:32 AM)EastMemphisTiger1 Wrote:  I saw this on Twitter. I will say, this was the second half for Ole Miss.

Just checked. at halftime, it was 35-17, and Ole Miss had just scored 28 straight points in the 2nd Q. I could certainly see a bunch of students leaving the game at halftime to get back to the shade of the tent.

Also, notice the song playing is "Can't hold us"... not some nasty gansta rap.

So it's okay for other teams to have less than full attendance - as long as there's context given.
And some rap is okay, just not "nasty gansta" style.

No, and yes.

The thing about OM, The question is, did they have full attendance at the start of the game. People leaving at halftime is a different issue than people choosing not to buy tickets and attend at all. I don't condone either, but they are different.

And yes, I will not apologize for liking a mix of music at a reasonable volume level. Furthermore, I think people would like to hear the band more.

But I'm not everybody who wasn't there. Somebody needs to take a survey if they need conformation of the reasons people don't show up. Maybe not now. Maybe after the Houston game if this poor attendance continues.

BUt I'm tellin' ya. They may not like the answers they get.

Despite supposed speaker sound system upgrades, speakers are bad & volume is way too loud & distorted - Sec 105, 45yd line in the chairbacks home side,

Section 101, 13 yard line in the chairbacks, and it is freaking DEAFINING.

(09-26-2022 12:46 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 12:44 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:21 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:06 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 10:51 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Just checked. at halftime, it was 35-17, and Ole Miss had just scored 28 straight points in the 2nd Q. I could certainly see a bunch of students leaving the game at halftime to get back to the shade of the tent.

Also, notice the song playing is "Can't hold us"... not some nasty gansta rap.

So it's okay for other teams to have less than full attendance - as long as there's context given.
And some rap is okay, just not "nasty gansta" style.

No, and yes.

The thing about OM, The question is, did they have full attendance at the start of the game. People leaving at halftime is a different issue than people choosing not to buy tickets and attend at all. I don't condone either, but they are different.

And yes, I will not apologize for liking a mix of music at a reasonable volume level. Furthermore, I think people would like to hear the band more.

But I'm not everybody who wasn't there. Somebody needs to take a survey if they need conformation of the reasons people don't show up. Maybe not now. Maybe after the Houston game if this poor attendance continues.

BUt I'm tellin' ya. They may not like the answers they get.

Despite supposed speaker sound system upgrades, speakers are bad & volume is way too loud & distorted - Sec 105, 45yd line in the chairbacks home side,

Section 101, 13 yard line in the chairbacks, and it is freaking DEAFINING.

Section 103, 40 yard line in the chair backs, and I'm glad we bought our earplugs. It wasn't as bad as the week before, but it was still super loud. My watch takes passive dB readings of my environmental sound. The peak for last week was enough to do damage after 30 minutes of exposure. The peak for the week before was enough to do damage after 30 seconds of exposure.

On downtrend attendance...

I don’t feel like people have “bought in” to Silverfield era. It feels robotic. And thus far he hasn’t motivated the fan base very well. Don’t get me wrong…he tries…but just not his personality. Keep in mind he is only 6-6 in last 12 games and that is with the current 3 game winning streak.

But trying to compare CRS personality to Mike Norvell is pretty unfair. Mike is high energy and makes you want to be part of what he is building. He is a salesman and you want to get on that bus. A little like Coach Cal in that regard. CRS just lacks that charisma and that not his fault…just who he is. That’s what I would say in summary…the Memphis football program is lacking identity right now.

Then you add in realignment depression, the recent crime in area (yes I have heard this excuse), TN/Florida playing at 2:30, and college attendance in general decreasing, etc.

Many “bought in” to building Memphis football to play big time football. And they did for the last 8 years. Yet it still wasn’t enough in football realignment and Memphis got kicked in the teeth with being left out of the B12. That feels defeating and realignment depression is real.

I get so angry about trying to play in a 60k stadium. Even 50k in new LB renovation is too big. It’s not fair to those kids to play in a 50% full stadium. That is why I was pushing so hard for a OCS or drastically reduced liberty bowl renovation. 40-42k max. We typically average 30-38k in a season which would be perfect and reduced size would create a much more positive/attractive environment. But when you play in a 60k stadium and it's 50% empty...kinda hard to have the "you better get a ticket or won't get in" urgency.

Other than just winning more....the #1 thing I would change about Memphis football ....is stadium size. It just crushes the atmosphere, hurts outside perception, and kills any type of demand for your product.

On whether Silverfield is trying to lose....

It does seem they are aggressive until we get a 7-14 point lead. Then we get conservative/predictable and other team closes the gap....then we get aggressive again.

Rinse, repeat.

So at times it does feel like he is trying not to lose vs. trying to crush teams.

(09-26-2022 02:09 PM)Boots Wrote:  On downtrend attendance...

I don’t feel like people have “bought in” to Silverfield era. It feels robotic. And thus far he hasn’t motivated the fan base very well. Don’t get me wrong…he tries…but just not his personality. Keep in mind he is only 6-6 in last 12 games and that is with the current 3 game winning streak.

But trying to compare CRS personality to Mike Norvell is pretty unfair. Mike is high energy and makes you want to be part of what he is building. He is a salesman and you want to get on that bus. A little like Coach Cal in that regard. CRS just lacks that charisma and that not his fault…just who he is. That’s what I would say in summary…the Memphis football program is lacking identity right now.

Then you add in realignment depression, the recent crime in area (yes I have heard this excuse), TN/Florida playing at 2:30, and college attendance in general decreasing, etc.

Many “bought in” to building Memphis football to play big time football. And they did for the last 8 years. Yet it still wasn’t enough in football realignment and Memphis got kicked in the teeth with being left out of the B12. That feels defeating and realignment depression is real.

I get so angry about trying to play in a 60k stadium. Even 50k in new LB renovation is too big. It’s not fair to those kids to play in a 50% full stadium. That is why I was pushing so hard for a OCS or drastically reduced liberty bowl renovation. 40-42k max. We typically average 30-38k in a season which would be perfect and reduced size would create a much more positive/attractive environment. But when you play in a 60k stadium and it's 50% empty...kinda hard to have the "you better get a ticket or won't get in" urgency.

Other than just winning more....the #1 thing I would change about Memphis football ....is stadium size. It just crushes the atmosphere, hurts outside perception, and kills any type of demand for your product.

I think that has a lot to do with it honestly.

(09-26-2022 02:09 PM)Boots Wrote:  On downtrend attendance...

I don’t feel like people have “bought in” to Silverfield era. It feels robotic. And thus far he hasn’t motivated the fan base very well. Don’t get me wrong…he tries…but just not his personality. Keep in mind he is only 6-6 in last 12 games and that is with the current 3 game winning streak.

But trying to compare CRS personality to Mike Norvell is pretty unfair. Mike is high energy and makes you want to be part of what he is building. He is a salesman and you want to get on that bus. A little like Coach Cal in that regard. CRS just lacks that charisma and that not his fault…just who he is. That’s what I would say in summary…the Memphis football program is lacking identity right now.

Then you add in realignment depression, the recent crime in area (yes I have heard this excuse), TN/Florida playing at 2:30, and college attendance in general decreasing, etc.

Many “bought in” to building Memphis football to play big time football. And they did for the last 8 years. Yet it still wasn’t enough in football realignment and Memphis got kicked in the teeth with being left out of the B12. That feels defeating and realignment depression is real.

I get so angry about trying to play in a 60k stadium. Even 50k in new LB renovation is too big. It’s not fair to those kids to play in a 50% full stadium. That is why I was pushing so hard for a OCS or drastically reduced liberty bowl renovation. 40-42k max. We typically average 30-38k in a season which would be perfect and reduced size would create a much more positive/attractive environment. But when you play in a 60k stadium and it's 50% empty...kinda hard to have the "you better get a ticket or won't get in" urgency.

Other than just winning more....the #1 thing I would change about Memphis football ....is stadium size. It just crushes the atmosphere, hurts outside perception, and kills any type of demand for your product.

Norvel came in as a big shot, in-demand offensive coordinator from a P-5 school. Initial buy-in was easy. Silverfield came in as a promoted offensive line coach. Buy-in takes much longer. He has to earn it.

(09-26-2022 02:09 PM)Boots Wrote:  On downtrend attendance...

I don’t feel like people have “bought in” to Silverfield era. It feels robotic. And thus far he hasn’t motivated the fan base very well. Don’t get me wrong…he tries…but just not his personality. Keep in mind he is only 6-6 in last 12 games and that is with the current 3 game winning streak.

But trying to compare CRS personality to Mike Norvell is pretty unfair. Mike is high energy and makes you want to be part of what he is building. He is a salesman and you want to get on that bus. A little like Coach Cal in that regard. CRS just lacks that charisma and that not his fault…just who he is. That’s what I would say in summary…the Memphis football program is lacking identity right now.

Then you add in realignment depression, the recent crime in area (yes I have heard this excuse), TN/Florida playing at 2:30, and college attendance in general decreasing, etc.

Many “bought in” to building Memphis football to play big time football. And they did for the last 8 years. Yet it still wasn’t enough in football realignment and Memphis got kicked in the teeth with being left out of the B12. That feels defeating and realignment depression is real.

I get so angry about trying to play in a 60k stadium. Even 50k in new LB renovation is too big. It’s not fair to those kids to play in a 50% full stadium. That is why I was pushing so hard for a OCS or drastically reduced liberty bowl renovation. 40-42k max. We typically average 30-38k in a season which would be perfect and reduced size would create a much more positive/attractive environment. But when you play in a 60k stadium and it's 50% empty...kinda hard to have the "you better get a ticket or won't get in" urgency.

Other than just winning more....the #1 thing I would change about Memphis football ....is stadium size. It just crushes the atmosphere, hurts outside perception, and kills any type of demand for your product.

I wouldn't be surprised if the planned capacity is more than it will be when it is built.