Very intriguing article in my opinion


In 15 years, perhaps sooner, a UNC-Notre Dame game just might turn out to be a conference game — and perhaps one in the Big Ten.

...

One of the talking points, as Cunningham described it:

“Should we explore a partnership with the Big 12 or Pac 12(?)”

Guskiewicz was intrigued: “We could have a super conference both athletically and academically,” he responded. “Probably would need to be called the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference (APAC). Maybe that’s crazy, but if it would get us a better TV deal, it may be worth considering.”

“We need to think about what outcomes we want?” Cunningham wrote back. “What are our priorities? Do we want to maintain all teams in the ACC? Is this a new league? Do we want to have the same number of teams at each school?

“Should we play a national schedule or regional schedule?”
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/...r-AA128Xin

(09-22-2022 10:31 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Very intriguing article in my opinion


In 15 years, perhaps sooner, a UNC-Notre Dame game just might turn out to be a conference game — and perhaps one in the Big Ten.

...

One of the talking points, as Cunningham described it:

“Should we explore a partnership with the Big 12 or Pac 12(?)”

Guskiewicz was intrigued: “We could have a super conference both athletically and academically,” he responded. “Probably would need to be called the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference (APAC). Maybe that’s crazy, but if it would get us a better TV deal, it may be worth considering.”

“We need to think about what outcomes we want?” Cunningham wrote back. “What are our priorities? Do we want to maintain all teams in the ACC? Is this a new league? Do we want to have the same number of teams at each school?

“Should we play a national schedule or regional schedule?”
.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/...r-AA128Xin

Thanks for posting this. It supports something I had heard back towards the middle of July. And after trying to work out some of the scattered info I received it resulted in me creating the following two posts...

https://csnbbs.com/thread-950872-post-18...id18321137

https://csnbbs.com/thread-951423-post-18...id18335605

I couldn't wrap my head around how two or potentially three conferences could consolidate into one football conference umbrella, but remain separate for all other sports under a single streaming channel sending targeted regional games throughout the majority of the country.

Even after posting the threads I thought this could never truly work because as I saw it a few schools in each of the three conferences would lose out under the new paradigm.

Of course this also assumed that the purpose of this possible "partnership" was to prevent any of the lesser conferences losing more members to the SEC/B1G than they already had. I suspect the discussions with media (ESPN/FOX) might very well have insisted upon this and either ended the discussion outright or tabled it for a later date.

At the very least, I do feel better that the above article appears to indicate the info that was shared with me had the broad strokes of the "partnership" right.

Cheers,
Neil

(09-22-2022 10:31 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Very intriguing article in my opinion


In 15 years, perhaps sooner, a UNC-Notre Dame game just might turn out to be a conference game — and perhaps one in the Big Ten.

...

One of the talking points, as Cunningham described it:

“Should we explore a partnership with the Big 12 or Pac 12(?)”

Guskiewicz was intrigued: “We could have a super conference both athletically and academically,” he responded. “Probably would need to be called the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference (APAC). Maybe that’s crazy, but if it would get us a better TV deal, it may be worth considering.”

“We need to think about what outcomes we want?” Cunningham wrote back. “What are our priorities? Do we want to maintain all teams in the ACC? Is this a new league? Do we want to have the same number of teams at each school?

“Should we play a national schedule or regional schedule?”
.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/...r-AA128Xin

Thanks for sharing this. It's interesting that Philips is systematically evaluating each member's investment in football. The data could provide a basis for deciding one of those questions: Is this an expansion of the present ACC or a new league?

Certainly this is a moment when PAC schools need options—and here is everyone on the Atlantic coast, with their conference network, needing resources, too.

(09-23-2022 12:40 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 10:31 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Very intriguing article in my opinion


In 15 years, perhaps sooner, a UNC-Notre Dame game just might turn out to be a conference game — and perhaps one in the Big Ten.

...

One of the talking points, as Cunningham described it:

“Should we explore a partnership with the Big 12 or Pac 12(?)”

Guskiewicz was intrigued: “We could have a super conference both athletically and academically,” he responded. “Probably would need to be called the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference (APAC). Maybe that’s crazy, but if it would get us a better TV deal, it may be worth considering.”

“We need to think about what outcomes we want?” Cunningham wrote back. “What are our priorities? Do we want to maintain all teams in the ACC? Is this a new league? Do we want to have the same number of teams at each school?

“Should we play a national schedule or regional schedule?”
.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/...r-AA128Xin

Thanks for posting this. It supports something I had heard back towards the middle of July. And after trying to work out some of the scattered info I received it resulted in me creating the following two posts...

https://csnbbs.com/thread-950872-post-18...id18321137

https://csnbbs.com/thread-951423-post-18...id18335605

I couldn't wrap my head around how two or potentially three conferences could consolidate into one football conference umbrella, but remain separate for all other sports under a single streaming channel sending targeted regional games throughout the majority of the country.

Even after posting the threads I thought this could never truly work because as I saw it a few schools in each of the three conferences would lose out under the new paradigm.

Of course this also assumed that the purpose of this possible "partnership" was to prevent any of the lesser conferences losing more members to the SEC/B1G than they already had. I suspect the discussions with media (ESPN/FOX) might very well have insisted upon this and either ended the discussion outright or tabled it for a later date.

At the very least, I do feel better that the above article appears to indicate the info that was shared with me had the broad strokes of the "partnership" right.

Cheers,
Neil

Yeah your source may have been correct. It looks like UNC explored many different possibilities including creating a new league leaving some of the ACC members behind.

I still think the most likely outcome would be the ACC adding a couple of Pac schools. I want the ACC to add Oregon, Washington, ASU, Cincy, 1 California school and 1 Texas school to create a super national league but it seems like a long shot.

(09-23-2022 12:01 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  ...It looks like UNC explored many different possibilities including creating a new league leaving some of the ACC members behind.

I still think the most likely outcome would be the ACC adding a couple of Pac schools. I want the ACC to add Oregon, Washington, ASU, Cincy, 1 California school and 1 Texas school to create a super national league but it seems like a long shot.

I would love to see that happen also - especially if we are going to all be bound up for 14 more years, let's make the best of it!

(09-23-2022 12:40 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 10:31 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Very intriguing article in my opinion


In 15 years, perhaps sooner, a UNC-Notre Dame game just might turn out to be a conference game — and perhaps one in the Big Ten.

...

One of the talking points, as Cunningham described it:

“Should we explore a partnership with the Big 12 or Pac 12(?)”

Guskiewicz was intrigued: “We could have a super conference both athletically and academically,” he responded. “Probably would need to be called the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference (APAC). Maybe that’s crazy, but if it would get us a better TV deal, it may be worth considering.”

“We need to think about what outcomes we want?” Cunningham wrote back. “What are our priorities? Do we want to maintain all teams in the ACC? Is this a new league? Do we want to have the same number of teams at each school?

“Should we play a national schedule or regional schedule?”
.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/...r-AA128Xin

Thanks for posting this. It supports something I had heard back towards the middle of July. And after trying to work out some of the scattered info I received it resulted in me creating the following two posts...

https://csnbbs.com/thread-950872-post-18...id18321137

https://csnbbs.com/thread-951423-post-18...id18335605

I couldn't wrap my head around how two or potentially three conferences could consolidate into one football conference umbrella, but remain separate for all other sports under a single streaming channel sending targeted regional games throughout the majority of the country.

Even after posting the threads I thought this could never truly work because as I saw it a few schools in each of the three conferences would lose out under the new paradigm.

Of course this also assumed that the purpose of this possible "partnership" was to prevent any of the lesser conferences losing more members to the SEC/B1G than they already had. I suspect the discussions with media (ESPN/FOX) might very well have insisted upon this and either ended the discussion outright or tabled it for a later date.

At the very least, I do feel better that the above article appears to indicate the info that was shared with me had the broad strokes of the "partnership" right.

Cheers,
Neil

The idea of separating football from all other sports in the ACC, Big 12 and PAC isn't entirely crazy. There will be 36 schools in the three P5 conferences and 33 in the SEC, B1G and ND. There will be a CFP that gives an automatic bid to the top six conference champions.

So, instead of creating a single new super football conference out of the M3, why not create four new nine team football conferences, all of which come together to negotiate media contracts as if they were a single entity? All other sports stay in their current conferences, either with each negotiating separate media contracts or also negotiating as one entity.


ACC FC: Clemson, FSU, NC State, Ga Tech, Va Tech, UNC, Duke, Virginia, WFU
Big East FC: Miami, WVU, Pitt, Louisville, UCF, Cincy, BC, Syracuse, Houston
Big 12 FC: OK State, Baylor, K State, TCU, BYU, Texas Tech, Iowa St, Colorado, Kansas
PAC FC: OU, Stanford, UW, Utah, ASU, UA, Cal, Washington St, Oregon St

Multiple other ACC sources told ESPN that expansion remains a discussion, but as one administrator noted, "nothing is imminent."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...atform=amp

I doubt that ESPN didn’t know about the ACC expansion discussion. They won’t want to disclose anything until the deal is close.

A couple more key paragraphs from the ESPN article:

While multiple league sources said no team outside of Notre Dame offers a clear and substantial revenue boost via expansion, there could be other factors to consider, with the ACC hoping to head off any potential moves by the Big 12 or Pac-12 that could jeopardize its place as the clear No. 3 conference.

...

Phillips noted that the ACC is in a power position for three reasons: its revenue is expected to far outpace that of the Pac-12 or Big 12 once USC, UCLA, Texas and Oklahoma (which are slated to move to the SEC in 2025) move to their new conferences; it operates its own network in partnership with ESPN; and the grant of rights binds its members together for the foreseeable future.

These arguments seem very familiar, no?

(09-23-2022 08:48 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  A couple more key paragraphs from the ESPN article:

While multiple league sources said no team outside of Notre Dame offers a clear and substantial revenue boost via expansion, there could be other factors to consider, with the ACC hoping to head off any potential moves by the Big 12 or Pac-12 that could jeopardize its place as the clear No. 3 conference.

...

Phillips noted that the ACC is in a power position for three reasons: its revenue is expected to far outpace that of the Pac-12 or Big 12 once USC, UCLA, Texas and Oklahoma (which are slated to move to the SEC in 2025) move to their new conferences; it operates its own network in partnership with ESPN; and the grant of rights binds its members together for the foreseeable future.

These arguments seem very familiar, no?

(09-23-2022 08:48 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  ....

Phillips noted that the ACC is in a power position for three reasons: its revenue is expected to far outpace that of the Pac-12 or Big 12 once USC, UCLA, Texas and Oklahoma (which are slated to move to the SEC in 2025) move to their new conferences; it operates its own network in partnership with ESPN; and the grant of rights binds its members together for the foreseeable future.

These arguments seem very familiar, no?

Déjà vu.