(09-21-2022 09:59 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-21-2022 08:24 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  MFF, I'll help you out from this aged article on B/R to point out who the real culprit was -------------

Furthermore, Johnson allowed former Memphis Tiger basketball coach, John Calipari, to wreck the Memphis-Ole Miss rival. Calipari did not want to play Ole Miss in basketball anymore and Ole Miss decided two could play that game and tore up the football contract with Memphis. Thus a regional rival that had first been played in 1921 and one of the few games the Tiger football team made money on was torn asunder.

By allowing the Calipari tail to wage the athletic dog, Johnson was left to try and sell the Memphis product to the Big East something they didn't need. Memphis' only strong point, the basketball program, was really irrelevant. The Big East is already top-loaded with basketball schools; they didn't need another "Memphis." Since Calipari had no interest in developing a rival on campus for his basketball program and ego, Memphis football was put on the back burner even further than it already was.

I seem to recall a lot of people on here who worshipped at the Church of Calipari, completely ignoring what was going on. Demanding the school stay out of the way and do anything that Calipari wanted.

You got what you wanted until everything blew up in our face, then you went looking for someone to blame.

I recall specifically btiger calling "Honest John" out early on and people hated him for it.

(09-21-2022 08:24 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  MFF, I'll help you out from this aged article on B/R to point out who the real culprit was -------------

Furthermore, Johnson allowed former Memphis Tiger basketball coach, John Calipari, to wreck the Memphis-Ole Miss rival. Calipari did not want to play Ole Miss in basketball anymore and Ole Miss decided two could play that game and tore up the football contract with Memphis. Thus a regional rival that had first been played in 1921 and one of the few games the Tiger football team made money on was torn asunder.

By allowing the Calipari tail to wage the athletic dog, Johnson was left to try and sell the Memphis product to the Big East something they didn't need. Memphis' only strong point, the basketball program, was really irrelevant. The Big East is already top-loaded with basketball schools; they didn't need another "Memphis." Since Calipari had no interest in developing a rival on campus for his basketball program and ego, Memphis football was put on the back burner even further than it already was.

I seem to recall a lot of people on here who worshipped at the Church of Calipari, completely ignoring what was going on. Demanding the school stay out of the way and do anything that Calipari wanted.

You got what you wanted until everything blew up in our face, then you went looking for someone to blame.

Bowen was brought in to do one job and one job only. Fix the athletic department's finances that were wrecked by RC. So stop with this RC was our savior ****.

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(09-21-2022 11:51 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Bowen was brought in to do one job and one job only. Fix the athletic department's finances that were wrecked by RC. So stop with this RC was our savior ****.

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Bowen was an insecure control freak jerk who took credit for the work of others.

Our biggest athletic fundraiser is the TSF which was created under RC.

When he arrived donations to athletic department was around $1 million a year.

A few years later the TSF was bringing in over $7 million a year.

This doesn't take in account service in kind agreements.

Which Bowen eliminated because he had no operational control.

The way the AD at UK seems to handle Calipari is to tell him to stfu and then pour more money into their football program.

(09-22-2022 12:48 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-21-2022 11:51 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Bowen was brought in to do one job and one job only. Fix the athletic department's finances that were wrecked by RC. So stop with this RC was our savior ****.

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Bowen was an insecure control freak jerk who took credit for the work of others.

Our biggest athletic fundraiser is the TSF which was created under RC.

When he arrived donations to athletic department was around $1 million a year.

A few years later the TSF was bringing in over $7 million a year.

This doesn't take in account service in kind agreements.

Which Bowen eliminated because he had no operational control.

10% for the big guy

Well I don't know all of the details about RC, but my general impression is that he failed to support the football program sufficiently - unlike Cincinnati, UCF, Louisville, TCU, and other schools that moved ahead of us during his tenure - which led to us continuously being left behind in multiple rounds of conference realignment. He also hired Larry Porter, which seems like it was a very bad decision. I was just reading Larry Porter's Wikipedia page and here is what it says: "Porter took over the head coaching position at his alma mater the University of Memphis for the 2010 season. He was fired after the 2011 season for winning only three games over two seasons and nearly destroying the entire program with his ineptitude." Brutal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Port..._football)

(09-21-2022 11:13 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Missouri has likely said play us in STL or we'll just buyout the game at $250K, per contract terms - take it or leave it. That in comparison to AppSt being paid $1.5M to beat TX A&M at College Sta.

If the SEC goes to a 9 game conference schedule I think it’s safe to assume the future Ark & MSU games at Memphis will be bought out too & we only play the away games.

The buyout price seems a lot cheaper than the straight up buy game price, if they are anywhere near the same buyout price as Missouri’s buyout.


If the game is in Memphis 1st perhaps the entire series are canceled or maybe we can negotiate a market value buy game price.

Who knows, but they days of expecting regular P5 opponents in Memphis look to be drying up.

(09-21-2022 07:01 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-21-2022 06:41 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Lesson learned here is to up the buyout if we are the return game in a 2 game series…

Gosh, seems like that lesson should have been learned a LOOOOONG time ago.... like, with our series with Arkansas.

Or when UT didn't come to Memphis in 2004. Remember that one? $20,000 was the buyout if I remember correctly. They waited for the Porter era to make it up. Dooley rolled out of here with a 50-7 win ib a game that wasn't even a good scrimmage for them....

(09-22-2022 07:10 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  Well I don't know all of the details about RC, but my general impression is that he failed to support the football program sufficiently - unlike Cincinnati, UCF, Louisville, TCU, and other schools that moved ahead of us during his tenure - which led to us continuously being left behind in multiple rounds of conference realignment. He also hired Larry Porter, which seems like it was a very bad decision. I was just reading Larry Porter's Wikipedia page and here is what it says: "Porter took over the head coaching position at his alma mater the University of Memphis for the 2010 season. He was fired after the 2011 season for winning only three games over two seasons and nearly destroying the entire program with his ineptitude." Brutal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Port..._football)

No AD calls the shots for football or men's basketball. They are merely the puppet of the big money boosters. They call the shots for track & field, golf, volleyball, air rifle, etc. They do as they are told for the $$$$$ sports.

I really wish somehow we could end up with Wren Baker as our AD, Veatch just does nothing, feel like he is sitting there hoping the phone rings and we already know he doesn't want to be here.

(09-21-2022 11:13 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Missouri has likely said play us in STL or we'll just buyout the game at $250K, per contract terms - take it or leave it. That in comparison to AppSt being paid $1.5M to beat TX A&M at College Sta.

The "take if or leave" aspect is almost certainly true.

I don't think we have discussed Missouri's side of this here.

Some promoter in St. Louis is trying to pay them to come play in their empty stadium. That may be a Fred Jones type, or it may be the city or state government. I think it is the government.

Either way I'm sure Mizzou is standing to make a lot more money, and most likely, we would too. If the area governments are involved, Mizzou basically has no choice but to say yes. Bottom line, I don't think the Mizzou administration has any real control over this. I think their hands are politically tied.

This whole thing was someone else's idea. The Memphis game was just the best date for it. We are a victim of some Missouri political plan to bring tourism money to St. Louis. They don't care who the opponent is.

(09-22-2022 08:30 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 07:10 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  Well I don't know all of the details about RC, but my general impression is that he failed to support the football program sufficiently - unlike Cincinnati, UCF, Louisville, TCU, and other schools that moved ahead of us during his tenure - which led to us continuously being left behind in multiple rounds of conference realignment. He also hired Larry Porter, which seems like it was a very bad decision. I was just reading Larry Porter's Wikipedia page and here is what it says: "Porter took over the head coaching position at his alma mater the University of Memphis for the 2010 season. He was fired after the 2011 season for winning only three games over two seasons and nearly destroying the entire program with his ineptitude." Brutal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Port..._football)

No AD calls the shots for football or men's basketball. They are merely the puppet of the big money boosters. They call the shots for track & field, golf, volleyball, air rifle, etc. They do as they are told for the $$$$$ sports.

I’d think boosters would need to be sold a vision for football and the benefits to the athletic dept overall. Isn’t that what a strong AD would do, or at least attempt? I dunno, maybe RC had a vision and I just don’t remember it.

(09-21-2022 09:16 PM)3601 Wrote:  RC was a clown shoe. I still can't figure out why Bluta slobs on RC's knob.

He used to use up most of his allowance on RC.

(09-22-2022 08:57 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  I really wish somehow we could end up with Wren Baker as our AD, Veatch just does nothing, feel like he is sitting there hoping the phone rings and we already know he doesn't want to be here.

I disagree with this. I think Veatch has done an excellent job of supporting the football program, which is the most important thing that an AD can do to improve the university and increase athletic revenue and improve the school's value to athletic conferences. He has a very ambitious plan to renovate the football stadium and has been more than willing to invest in football. I like Veatch.

(09-22-2022 09:27 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 08:57 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  I really wish somehow we could end up with Wren Baker as our AD, Veatch just does nothing, feel like he is sitting there hoping the phone rings and we already know he doesn't want to be here.

I disagree with this. I think Veatch has done an excellent job of supporting the football program, which is the most important thing that an AD can do to improve the university and increase athletic revenue and improve the school's value to athletic conferences. He has a very ambitious plan to renovate the football stadium and has been more than willing to invest in football. I like Veatch.

I don't dislike Veatch, but I seriously doubt any of the plans for the football stadium are his.

I’m not sure the AD has a whole lot of anything to run at the UofM except cater to the big boosters. Maybe hire the coaches for the non revenue sports. I say negotiate a good payout, go to St Louis and beat the snot out of Missouri. It’s the price we pay for being poor

(09-22-2022 09:38 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  I’m not sure the AD has a whole lot of anything to run at the UofM except cater to the big boosters. Maybe hire the coaches for the non revenue sports. I say negotiate a good payout, go to St Louis and beat the snot out of Missouri. It’s the price we pay for being poor

I agree about accepting the deal. Maybe ask for more than the initial offer though. Its either that or they will throw a check for $250k at Veatch on their way out the door and Memphis will be left trying to back fill a home game with Shithole State.

(09-22-2022 09:45 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 09:38 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  I’m not sure the AD has a whole lot of anything to run at the UofM except cater to the big boosters. Maybe hire the coaches for the non revenue sports. I say negotiate a good payout, go to St Louis and beat the snot out of Missouri. It’s the price we pay for being poor

I agree about accepting the deal. Maybe ask for more than the initial offer though. Its either that or they will throw a check for $250k at Veatch on their way out the door and Memphis will be left trying to back fill a home game with Shithole State.

Hold out for a million we need the money for the stadium redo when the city and state snub us again.

(09-22-2022 09:46 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 09:45 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 09:38 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  I’m not sure the AD has a whole lot of anything to run at the UofM except cater to the big boosters. Maybe hire the coaches for the non revenue sports. I say negotiate a good payout, go to St Louis and beat the snot out of Missouri. It’s the price we pay for being poor

I agree about accepting the deal. Maybe ask for more than the initial offer though. Its either that or they will throw a check for $250k at Veatch on their way out the door and Memphis will be left trying to back fill a home game with Shithole State.

Hold out for a million we need the money for the stadium redo when the city and state snub us again.

You mean, hold out for a million to actually play the game, in St louis, right? I guess I would have to go along with that.