There’s a lot of discussion regarding the Big 10, potential expansion at the expense of the PAC 10, and a potential exclusive Friday night time slot for the #4 pick*. But is this 4th pick really the Big 10’s to sell or does someone already own it?

Fox has the 1st pick

As I understand, CBS and NBC have alternating 2nd/3rd picks

Peacock gets a tiny handful of I think 6 streaming games.

The Big 10 Network gets what no one else takes.

Where are the additional games going? Does Fox get the rest to split between Big Fox and FS1?

Are they potentially able to sell this new package since expansion would mean more content and thus more games to sell?

*Terms and conditions may apply such as it can’t be a home game for Michigan, Ohio St, and maybe Penn St.

(09-22-2022 05:04 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There’s a lot of discussion regarding the Big 10, potential expansion at the expense of the PAC 10, and a potential exclusive Friday night time slot for the #4 pick*. But is this 4th pick really the Big 10’s to sell or does someone already own it?

Fox has the 1st pick

As I understand, CBS and NBC have alternating 2nd/3rd picks

Peacock gets a tiny handful of I think 6 streaming games.

The Big 10 Network gets what no one else takes.

Where are the additional games going? Does Fox get the rest to split between Big Fox and FS1?

Are they potentially able to sell this new package since expansion would mean more content and thus more games to sell?

*Terms and conditions may apply such as it can’t be a home game for Michigan, Ohio St, and maybe Penn St.

Its the BTN's to sell. They own all the Big 10 content. They sold off most of it to Fox, NBC and CBS.

Fox, CBS, NBC each get 1 game a week with its own exclusive time slot. Fox at noon ET, CBS at 3:30. NBC at 7:30.

Fox, CBS and NBC alternate the #1, #2, and #3 picks by week. Although Fox gets to pick first the week it gets the first pick. So Fox usually picks the week of OSU-Mich with its first pick and then picks the OSU-Mich game.

Fox will get 4 CCG, CBS gets 2, and NBC gets 1

Starting in 2024, CBS gets rights to 14-15 games a year, including 1 or 2 games on Black Friday

NBC gets 14-15 games a year

Peacock gets 8 games a year.

Fox/FS1 get 30-32 games total. So I am guessing that means 1 game a week on Fox and 1 game on FS1.

And BTN gets a max of 50 games

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsspor...29-30/amp/

(09-22-2022 05:45 PM)goofus Wrote:  Fox, CBS, NBC each get 1 game a week with its own exclusive time slot. Fox at noon ET, CBS at 3:30. NBC at 7:30.

Fox, CBS and NBC alternate the #1, #2, and #3 picks by week. Although Fox gets to pick first the week it gets the first pick. So Fox usually picks the week of OSU-Mich with its first pick and then picks the OSU-Mich game.

Fox will get 4 CCG, CBS gets 1 or 2, and NBC gets 1 or 2, can't remember which network got 1 CCG and which got 2 CCG's

After that it's not clear. I think FS1 gets 1 game a week or maybe 2. Not sure. Peacock gets a small number of games. And the rest will be on BTN.

Here's some info from an article in The Athletic last month when the agreements were announced:

"CBS, FOX and NBC will each televise designated Big Ten football championship games during the term of the agreements. Fox will broadcast the league’s title game in the odd years (2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029), while CBS will broadcast it in 2024 and 2028, and NBC will air it in 2026.

Fox/FS1 will carry up to 27 regular-season football games in 2023, then up to 32 games per year from 2024 onward. BTN will broadcast up to 41 games in 2023 and a maximum of 50 games per year afterward.

NBC will broadcast 16 regular-season Big Ten games in 2023 and then 15 games per year from 2024 onward. Games on NBC will simultaneously stream on Peacock. NBC will carry a primetime game on Black Friday as well.

Because the SEC will remain on CBS through the end of the 2023 season, the Big Ten will have a partial schedule on the network its first year. CBS will carry seven Big Ten football games as well as regular season and postseason men’s basketball as well as, for the first time, the women’s basketball tournament final. Starting in 2024, CBS will broadcast up to 15 Big Ten football games per season, including an afternoon game on Black Friday. All of those games will be broadcast on CBS, and every game CBS airs will also stream on Paramount+."

So add it all up, the Big Ten has 120 games a year it has sold the rights to, Starting in 2024.

CBS - 15
NBC - 15
Peacock - 8
Fox/FS1 - 32
BTN - 50 max

Total - 120

The 2024 inventory will consist of 72 conference games and I am guessing 40 non-conference home games. Or 112 games total.

Now if the Big Ten expands to 20 teams and 10 conference games, they will then have 100 conference games and 30-40 non-conference home games. Which is 130-140 games total. Or if you keep 9 conference games, they would have 90 conference games and 50 nonconference home games, which is 140 games total.

So they will have an additional 10-20 games a year to sell. Sounds ideal for a Friday night package and/or late Saturday night package.

I see. So 2 more members means roughly 13 more games for the inventory (9 conference games plus an FCS/G5 buy game for each school, and 1 (maybe 2) other OOC games for each = 9+2+2 = 13)

That’s enough to sell a weekly package to Amazon. At $150M/yr, the Big 10 breaks even. Anything more than that is additional money per school. (This is assuming equal shares for the new schools; if you make them take less, that’s more profit for the other 16).

This leads to this question for the existing members: Are they willing to play Friday night games and not see most of their conference mates only twice in 6 yrs as a trade off for more schools an added Amazon deal, and a little cash?

That's why I think an additional tv package will be a combo of Friday night games and late Saturday night games. Not all Big Ten teams are willing to host a Friday night game, but may be open to a late Saturday home start.

(09-22-2022 07:06 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I see. So 2 more members means roughly 13 more games for the inventory (9 conference games plus an FCS/G5 buy game for each school, and 1 (maybe 2) other OOC games for each = 9+2+2 = 13)

That’s enough to sell a weekly package to Amazon. At $150M/yr, the Big 10 breaks even. Anything more than that is additional money per school. (This is assuming equal shares for the new schools; if you make them take less, that’s more profit for the other 16).

This leads to this question for the existing members: Are they willing to play Friday night games and not see most of their conference mates only twice in 6 yrs as a trade off for more schools an added Amazon deal, and a little cash?

Well going with 3 protected rivalries if adding 2 teams, you can rotate everyone 3 times in 7 years in a 9 game conference schedule. Not as frequent as every other year, which you'd get if playing 10 conference games, but it would still be slightly more than playing twice every 5 years.

Now if they consider adding 4, then yes, there will be a debating on whether teams want to play everyone else twice every 6 years (using 4 protected rivals) or go to 10 conference games to play everyone else twice every 5 years.

(09-22-2022 08:15 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  Well going with 3 protected rivalries if adding 2 teams, you can rotate everyone 3 times in 7 years in a 9 game conference schedule. Not as frequent as every other year, which you'd get if playing 10 conference games, but it would still be slightly more than playing twice every 5 years.

Now if they consider adding 4, then yes, there will be a debating on whether teams want to play everyone else twice every 6 years (using 4 protected rivals) or go to 10 conference games to play everyone else twice every 5 years.

Or play a 3+4/4+2/2/2 schedule ... so 8 schools are seen more often then with a balanced rotation and 6 schools seen less often.

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(09-22-2022 06:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  So add it all up, the Big Ten has 120 games a year it has sold the rights to, Starting in 2024.

CBS - 15
NBC - 15
Peacock - 8
Fox/FS1 - 32
BTN - 50 max

Total - 120

The 2024 inventory will consist of 72 conference games and I am guessing 40 non-conference home games. Or 112 games total.

The reason the BTN is "so many max" is because they are not buying the games, they are selling the games. Their number is simply the number there are minus the number that have been sold. It can't be pinned down because if a school has a P5 game balanced against the Big Ten schedule and two buy games, they have 7 home games while if they have three schools on H/H contracts they have 6 home games, and if they have Go5 2-1's or 3-1's mixed in with buy games, they will have 6 some years and 7 others, so the total inventory when USC/UCLA join is bigger than 96 and smaller than 112.

Quote: Now if the Big Ten expands to 20 teams and 10 conference games, they will then have 100 conference games and 30-40 non-conference home games. Which is 130-140 games total. Or if you keep 9 conference games, they would have 90 conference games and 50 nonconference home games, which is 140 games total.

So they will have an additional 10-20 games a year to sell. Sounds ideal for a Friday night package and/or late Saturday night package.

Quite. If they expand to 18, their inventory is in the bracket between 108 and 126, 12-14 higher. And of course, they can sell more than the expansion in inventory because, again, it's the BTN doing the selling, so they are not under any contract to reserve any particular number for themselves.

(09-22-2022 08:15 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 07:06 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I see. So 2 more members means roughly 13 more games for the inventory (9 conference games plus an FCS/G5 buy game for each school, and 1 (maybe 2) other OOC games for each = 9+2+2 = 13)

That’s enough to sell a weekly package to Amazon. At $150M/yr, the Big 10 breaks even. Anything more than that is additional money per school. (This is assuming equal shares for the new schools; if you make them take less, that’s more profit for the other 16).

This leads to this question for the existing members: Are they willing to play Friday night games and not see most of their conference mates only twice in 6 yrs as a trade off for more schools an added Amazon deal, and a little cash?

Well going with 3 protected rivalries if adding 2 teams, you can rotate everyone 3 times in 7 years in a 9 game conference schedule. Not as frequent as every other year, which you'd get if playing 10 conference games, but it would still be slightly more than playing twice every 5 years.

Now if they consider adding 4, then yes, there will be a debating on whether teams want to play everyone else twice every 6 years (using 4 protected rivals) or go to 10 conference games to play everyone else twice every 5 years.

IMO if the B1G adds 2 more to go to 18, they will go to a 3,7,7,7,7 10 game conference schedule. 3 protected rivals and you get to play a home and home with every school in the conference over a 4 year period. There's already whispers about going to 10 conference games with future expansion.

I'm not sure what that will look like with 20 schools though.

Who gets all the Olympic sports? Are they spread through out the 3 networks or on BTN?

(09-22-2022 07:20 PM)goofus Wrote:  That's why I think an additional tv package will be a combo of Friday night games and late Saturday night games. Not all Big Ten teams are willing to host a Friday night game, but may be open to a late Saturday home start.

Well those options are even more limited unless you can talk Central Time Zone teams into 9:30pm CT Saturday kickoffs. I don't think there is any precedent for that.