(09-22-2022 02:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 12:39 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Our 2018 defense was the best tackling defense I've ever seen. They all went down on the first contact. They were beastly...

How good would that 2018 team had been if Rocky was there QB? Carey couldn’t find a QB to save his life, but he also didnt have the transfer portal. How good would his teams had been over his last 4 years if he had Bowers and Lombardi instead of Graham and Childers?? Getting a QB is so important and it’s why I’d take hammock over Carey 10/10 times, but I’m only making that hypothetical to get an idea of the talent of all the players around the mediocrity that Carey ran out as the QB.

You forget that Coach U was the the offensive coordinator in 2018. He could have had Aaron Rodgers at QB and Odell Beckham at receiver and he still would have called a very conservative game.He certainly did not take advantage of Bowers strengths.

(09-22-2022 03:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 02:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 12:39 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Our 2018 defense was the best tackling defense I've ever seen. They all went down on the first contact. They were beastly...

How good would that 2018 team had been if Rocky was there QB? Carey couldn’t find a QB to save his life, but he also didnt have the transfer portal. How good would his teams had been over his last 4 years if he had Bowers and Lombardi instead of Graham and Childers?? Getting a QB is so important and it’s why I’d take hammock over Carey 10/10 times, but I’m only making that hypothetical to get an idea of the talent of all the players around the mediocrity that Carey ran out as the QB.

Now we have the QB (and really just Lombardi is good, as far as we know) but the defense is probably worse than at any time during Carey's tenure.

Even if you go to Carey’s worst season, 2016 at 5-7, these were the offensive players:

RB- Jordan Huff, Joel Bouagnon
WR-Kenny Golladay, Christian Blake, Aregeros Turner, D.J. Brown
TE- Shane Wyman, Daniel Crawford

Damn, how did that team go 5-7?

(09-22-2022 03:49 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 02:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 12:39 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Our 2018 defense was the best tackling defense I've ever seen. They all went down on the first contact. They were beastly...

How good would that 2018 team had been if Rocky was there QB? Carey couldn’t find a QB to save his life, but he also didnt have the transfer portal. How good would his teams had been over his last 4 years if he had Bowers and Lombardi instead of Graham and Childers?? Getting a QB is so important and it’s why I’d take hammock over Carey 10/10 times, but I’m only making that hypothetical to get an idea of the talent of all the players around the mediocrity that Carey ran out as the QB.

You forget that Coach U was the the offensive coordinator in 2018. He could have had Aaron Rodgers at QB and Odell Beckham at receiver and he still would have called a very conservative game.He certainly did not take advantage of Bowers strengths.

That’s true. That scheme was like watching paint dry. Painful.

(09-22-2022 03:49 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 02:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 12:39 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Our 2018 defense was the best tackling defense I've ever seen. They all went down on the first contact. They were beastly...

How good would that 2018 team had been if Rocky was there QB? Carey couldn’t find a QB to save his life, but he also didnt have the transfer portal. How good would his teams had been over his last 4 years if he had Bowers and Lombardi instead of Graham and Childers?? Getting a QB is so important and it’s why I’d take hammock over Carey 10/10 times, but I’m only making that hypothetical to get an idea of the talent of all the players around the mediocrity that Carey ran out as the QB.

Now we have the QB (and really just Lombardi is good, as far as we know) but the defense is probably worse than at any time during Carey's tenure.

Even if you go to Carey’s worst season, 2016 at 5-7, these were the offensive players:

RB- Jordan Huff, Joel Bouagnon
WR-Kenny Golladay, Christian Blake, Aregeros Turner, D.J. Brown
TE- Shane Wyman, Daniel Crawford

Damn, how did that team go 5-7?

They thought Maddie was going to get a 6th year and then he didn't. With him at QB that team would have won 10+ games.

(09-22-2022 03:49 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 02:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 12:39 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Our 2018 defense was the best tackling defense I've ever seen. They all went down on the first contact. They were beastly...

How good would that 2018 team had been if Rocky was there QB? Carey couldn’t find a QB to save his life, but he also didnt have the transfer portal. How good would his teams had been over his last 4 years if he had Bowers and Lombardi instead of Graham and Childers?? Getting a QB is so important and it’s why I’d take hammock over Carey 10/10 times, but I’m only making that hypothetical to get an idea of the talent of all the players around the mediocrity that Carey ran out as the QB.

Now we have the QB (and really just Lombardi is good, as far as we know) but the defense is probably worse than at any time during Carey's tenure.

Even if you go to Carey’s worst season, 2016 at 5-7, these were the offensive players:

RB- Jordan Huff, Joel Bouagnon
WR-Kenny Golladay, Christian Blake, Aregeros Turner, D.J. Brown
TE- Shane Wyman, Daniel Crawford

Damn, how did that team go 5-7?

Ryan Graham

(09-22-2022 05:13 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:49 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 02:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 12:39 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Our 2018 defense was the best tackling defense I've ever seen. They all went down on the first contact. They were beastly...

How good would that 2018 team had been if Rocky was there QB? Carey couldn’t find a QB to save his life, but he also didnt have the transfer portal. How good would his teams had been over his last 4 years if he had Bowers and Lombardi instead of Graham and Childers?? Getting a QB is so important and it’s why I’d take hammock over Carey 10/10 times, but I’m only making that hypothetical to get an idea of the talent of all the players around the mediocrity that Carey ran out as the QB.

Now we have the QB (and really just Lombardi is good, as far as we know) but the defense is probably worse than at any time during Carey's tenure.

Even if you go to Carey’s worst season, 2016 at 5-7, these were the offensive players:

RB- Jordan Huff, Joel Bouagnon
WR-Kenny Golladay, Christian Blake, Aregeros Turner, D.J. Brown
TE- Shane Wyman, Daniel Crawford

Damn, how did that team go 5-7?

Ryan Graham

100%. So it makes you wonder what this team would do in conference if Hampton is the starter the rest of the way?. I’m probably taking all those starters on the 16 squad over 22’s. In saying that, do we need to really look closer at Hammocks recruiting prowess? Rudolph certainly changes 22’s look.

(09-22-2022 05:23 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:13 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:49 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 02:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  How good would that 2018 team had been if Rocky was there QB? Carey couldn’t find a QB to save his life, but he also didnt have the transfer portal. How good would his teams had been over his last 4 years if he had Bowers and Lombardi instead of Graham and Childers?? Getting a QB is so important and it’s why I’d take hammock over Carey 10/10 times, but I’m only making that hypothetical to get an idea of the talent of all the players around the mediocrity that Carey ran out as the QB.

Now we have the QB (and really just Lombardi is good, as far as we know) but the defense is probably worse than at any time during Carey's tenure.

Even if you go to Carey’s worst season, 2016 at 5-7, these were the offensive players:

RB- Jordan Huff, Joel Bouagnon
WR-Kenny Golladay, Christian Blake, Aregeros Turner, D.J. Brown
TE- Shane Wyman, Daniel Crawford

Damn, how did that team go 5-7?

Ryan Graham

100%. So it makes you wonder what this team would do in conference if Hampton is the starter the rest of the way?. I’m probably taking all those starters on the 16 squad over 22’s. In saying that, do we need to really look closer at Hammocks recruiting prowess? Rudolph certainly changes 22’s look.

Yep, but even if Rudolph were able to play, how do we know that Hammock won’t stick with his conservative game plan of running into a stacked line?

(09-22-2022 05:53 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:23 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:13 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:49 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Now we have the QB (and really just Lombardi is good, as far as we know) but the defense is probably worse than at any time during Carey's tenure.

Even if you go to Carey’s worst season, 2016 at 5-7, these were the offensive players:

RB- Jordan Huff, Joel Bouagnon
WR-Kenny Golladay, Christian Blake, Aregeros Turner, D.J. Brown
TE- Shane Wyman, Daniel Crawford

Damn, how did that team go 5-7?

Ryan Graham

100%. So it makes you wonder what this team would do in conference if Hampton is the starter the rest of the way?. I’m probably taking all those starters on the 16 squad over 22’s. In saying that, do we need to really look closer at Hammocks recruiting prowess? Rudolph certainly changes 22’s look.

Yep, but even if Rudolph were able to play, how do we know that Hammock won’t stick with his conservative game plan of running into a stacked line?

Because Rocky is like Jim McMahon and he would change the plays in the huddle. McMahon did that on some play in a game and it resulted in a long touch down. Ditka was probably gonna strangle him until he saw it got 7.

(09-22-2022 05:23 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:13 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:49 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 02:21 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  How good would that 2018 team had been if Rocky was there QB? Carey couldn’t find a QB to save his life, but he also didnt have the transfer portal. How good would his teams had been over his last 4 years if he had Bowers and Lombardi instead of Graham and Childers?? Getting a QB is so important and it’s why I’d take hammock over Carey 10/10 times, but I’m only making that hypothetical to get an idea of the talent of all the players around the mediocrity that Carey ran out as the QB.

Now we have the QB (and really just Lombardi is good, as far as we know) but the defense is probably worse than at any time during Carey's tenure.

Even if you go to Carey’s worst season, 2016 at 5-7, these were the offensive players:

RB- Jordan Huff, Joel Bouagnon
WR-Kenny Golladay, Christian Blake, Aregeros Turner, D.J. Brown
TE- Shane Wyman, Daniel Crawford

Damn, how did that team go 5-7?

Ryan Graham

100%. So it makes you wonder what this team would do in conference if Hampton is the starter the rest of the way?. I’m probably taking all those starters on the 16 squad over 22’s. In saying that, do we need to really look closer at Hammocks recruiting prowess? Rudolph certainly changes 22’s look.

Huff is one of my favorite Huskie RB ever. His running style was so special. Too bad he didn't make the NFL. His footwork was phenomenal.

(09-22-2022 06:14 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:23 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:13 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:49 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Now we have the QB (and really just Lombardi is good, as far as we know) but the defense is probably worse than at any time during Carey's tenure.

Even if you go to Carey’s worst season, 2016 at 5-7, these were the offensive players:

RB- Jordan Huff, Joel Bouagnon
WR-Kenny Golladay, Christian Blake, Aregeros Turner, D.J. Brown
TE- Shane Wyman, Daniel Crawford

Damn, how did that team go 5-7?

Ryan Graham

100%. So it makes you wonder what this team would do in conference if Hampton is the starter the rest of the way?. I’m probably taking all those starters on the 16 squad over 22’s. In saying that, do we need to really look closer at Hammocks recruiting prowess? Rudolph certainly changes 22’s look.

Huff is one of my favorite Huskie RB ever. His running style was so special. Too bad he didn't make the NFL. His footwork was phenomenal.

I was in awe of Huff. I’m not saying he’s the best back to be at NIU, but I think he was the most physically talented back I’ve seen there.

(09-22-2022 08:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 06:14 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:23 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:13 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:49 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Even if you go to Carey’s worst season, 2016 at 5-7, these were the offensive players:

RB- Jordan Huff, Joel Bouagnon
WR-Kenny Golladay, Christian Blake, Aregeros Turner, D.J. Brown
TE- Shane Wyman, Daniel Crawford

Damn, how did that team go 5-7?

Ryan Graham

100%. So it makes you wonder what this team would do in conference if Hampton is the starter the rest of the way?. I’m probably taking all those starters on the 16 squad over 22’s. In saying that, do we need to really look closer at Hammocks recruiting prowess? Rudolph certainly changes 22’s look.

Huff is one of my favorite Huskie RB ever. His running style was so special. Too bad he didn't make the NFL. His footwork was phenomenal.

I was in awe of Huff. I’m not saying he’s the best back to be at NIU, but I think he was the most physically talented back I’ve seen there.

Yea I always wished he got more carries, he was fun to watch. Honestly, I was fine with him taking the occasional 2-yard loss in the process of trying to make a play, because he was capable of taking it to the house.

For me, the missed sack on fourth and 9 was almost as painful as giving up a first down on third-and-33 against Toledo in 2003. Of course we were having a awesome season so it hurt more but I thought we were gonna have an awesome season this year too...

(09-22-2022 08:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 06:14 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:23 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:13 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 03:49 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Even if you go to Carey’s worst season, 2016 at 5-7, these were the offensive players:

RB- Jordan Huff, Joel Bouagnon
WR-Kenny Golladay, Christian Blake, Aregeros Turner, D.J. Brown
TE- Shane Wyman, Daniel Crawford

Damn, how did that team go 5-7?

Ryan Graham

100%. So it makes you wonder what this team would do in conference if Hampton is the starter the rest of the way?. I’m probably taking all those starters on the 16 squad over 22’s. In saying that, do we need to really look closer at Hammocks recruiting prowess? Rudolph certainly changes 22’s look.

Huff is one of my favorite Huskie RB ever. His running style was so special. Too bad he didn't make the NFL. His footwork was phenomenal.

I was in awe of Huff. I’m not saying he’s the best back to be at NIU, but I think he was the most physically talented back I’ve seen there.

Maddi was by far the biggest miss in NIU history. Dude should've been a starter for two years, but he was screwed by Carey and the NCAA.

(09-23-2022 12:46 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 08:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 06:14 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:23 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:13 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  Ryan Graham

100%. So it makes you wonder what this team would do in conference if Hampton is the starter the rest of the way?. I’m probably taking all those starters on the 16 squad over 22’s. In saying that, do we need to really look closer at Hammocks recruiting prowess? Rudolph certainly changes 22’s look.

Huff is one of my favorite Huskie RB ever. His running style was so special. Too bad he didn't make the NFL. His footwork was phenomenal.

I was in awe of Huff. I’m not saying he’s the best back to be at NIU, but I think he was the most physically talented back I’ve seen there.

Maddi was by far the biggest miss in NIU history. Dude should've been a starter for two years, but he was screwed by Carey and the NCAA.

I’ve held Carey only slightly responsible for Maddie not having more time at QB. Maddie arrived in 2014 when Hare had an amazing season and stayed healthy for 14 games plus had 3 more years of eligibility. At that point Hare looked like the second coming of Harnish and he was locked in for every start. Maddie wasn’t a great passer but he was an incredible runner so I get Carey’s thinking - I need Maddie on the field making plays but he might never see the field again at QB. Carey just undervalued the importance of a great back up QB.

(09-23-2022 02:16 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-23-2022 12:46 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 08:15 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 06:14 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-22-2022 05:23 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  100%. So it makes you wonder what this team would do in conference if Hampton is the starter the rest of the way?. I’m probably taking all those starters on the 16 squad over 22’s. In saying that, do we need to really look closer at Hammocks recruiting prowess? Rudolph certainly changes 22’s look.

Huff is one of my favorite Huskie RB ever. His running style was so special. Too bad he didn't make the NFL. His footwork was phenomenal.

I was in awe of Huff. I’m not saying he’s the best back to be at NIU, but I think he was the most physically talented back I’ve seen there.

Maddi was by far the biggest miss in NIU history. Dude should've been a starter for two years, but he was screwed by Carey and the NCAA.

I’ve held Carey only slightly responsible for Maddie not having more time at QB. Maddie arrived in 2014 when Hare had an amazing season and stayed healthy for 14 games plus had 3 more years of eligibility. At that point Hare looked like the second coming of Harnish and he was locked in for every start. Maddie wasn’t a great passer but he was an incredible runner so I get Carey’s thinking - I need Maddie on the field making plays but he might never see the field again at QB. Carey just undervalued the importance of a great back up QB.

Hare had potential to be a really good one for us. I'll never forget beating Northwestern. That was a great victory for us. Didn't he go toe to toe with Josh Allen too? It's too bad his career got cut short due to injury, and we truly never learned how good he could have been.

Hare outplayed Allen. Their RB ran all over us.

(09-24-2022 08:18 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Hare outplayed Allen. Their RB ran all over us.

Was it Valladay? Chicago Native.

(09-24-2022 10:00 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  [quote='badmoonrising13' pid='18465560' dateline='1664025480']
Hare outplayed Allen. Their RB ran all over us.
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Was it Valladay? Chicago Native.

It was Vandelay, Dog Fan's latex salesman.